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    Thread: 2011 New Passat Premiers

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      09-29-2010 04:03 PM #1


      The sixth-generation Passat has been in production now for 5 years, and with the variant CC being only a few years old, the mid-sized sedan was in need of a refresh. Today Volkswagen showed us what the replacement will look like as part of its festivities at the Paris Motor Show. From the early looks, it seems like Volkswagen is all about moving this car upmarket.

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      09-29-2010 04:18 PM #2
      Wonder what the Chattanooga car will look like... close i can imagine since the tail lights match the Jetta 9unless that's going to be a worldwide car too?).
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      09-29-2010 04:19 PM #3
      ha this is what i was expecting the new Jetta to look more like based on the NCC.

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      09-29-2010 04:19 PM #4
      i would like to know if the U.S is getting this car yes i would definitely buy one when my current lease is up

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      09-29-2010 04:40 PM #5
      This model is NOT going to be coming to the US.
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    6. 09-29-2010 07:19 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by quailallstar View Post
      This model is NOT going to be coming to the US.
      Ever!? Where did this information come from? It is a real shame if it's not...

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      09-29-2010 07:31 PM #7
      I heard or read somewhere that Chatanooga was building some sort of Passat replacement, but then heard that the Passat will continue in the NA market.

      Really like this current model though (although I am biased )
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    8. 09-29-2010 07:37 PM #8
      I really like B6 more than this one.

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      09-29-2010 07:46 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by bloud View Post
      Ever!? Where did this information come from? It is a real shame if it's not...
      VWoA tried to go super upscale with the Phaeton, skipping at least two car categories, and it failed.

      VWoA also tried to shove loaded (V6, 4mo, etc.) Passats down customers' throats, and they gagged.

      So perhaps they got convinced that there is no way they can ever bring VW's image up to the standard it enjoys in Europe.

      So now, in its infinite wisdom, VWoA wants to go the other way, i.e., cheapen its U.S. cars to compete against the Civics and CamCords.

      All the while, it is too stupid to realize its niche position is in between the premium brands and the vanilla CamAltimAccords. Cars like the Passat B5/B6 offer a little extra of everything, without crossing into the splurge territory of the premium brands. More solid feel, nicer interiors, better handling, etc., for a little more money.

      But instead of strengthening that niche position, VW wants to compete in the U.S. against the CamAltimAccords. So we will get a cheaper Jetta, and instead of this Passat, we will get a similarly cheapened "New Midsize Sedan" (VW's version of a Buick?)

      Why not stick to the approach that worked so well with the B5? Continue offering a base Passat for 21-22K, with say two additional higher trims. They now offer the B6 Passat and CC with a starting price of 27-28K. I understand it for the CC, which is supposed to be a form over function type of a car, but why for the Passat?

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      09-29-2010 07:47 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by carusel View Post
      I really like B6 more than this one.
      I like this one a little better. I think the chosen colors for both the interior and exterior aren't all that flattering for American tastes.
      Last edited by av_audi; 09-29-2010 at 08:13 PM.

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      09-29-2010 07:56 PM #11
      I've got to say I am not happy about the New offerings (Jetta & Passat). I think that they are watering them down, and catering to the Camry crowd. I for one am sorely dissapointed. My wife's next car will be the CC, but then what?

      Honest, they look like cars my Grandma would drive!

    12. 09-29-2010 08:13 PM #12
      Looks to be more of a major refresh then an all new model. Is the interior the same as the current car?

    13. 09-29-2010 08:31 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by av_audi View Post
      VWoA tried to go super upscale with the Phaeton, skipping at least two car categories, and it failed.

      VWoA also tried to shove loaded (V6, 4mo, etc.) Passats down customers' throats, and they gagged.

      So perhaps they got convinced that there is no way they can ever bring VW's image up to the standard it enjoys in Europe.

      So now, in its infinite wisdom, VWoA wants to go the other way, i.e., cheapen its U.S. cars to compete against the Civics and CamCords.

      All the while, it is too stupid to realize its niche position is in between the premium brands and the vanilla CamAltimAccords. Cars like the Passat B5/B6 offer a little extra of everything, without crossing into the splurge territory of the premium brands. More solid feel, nicer interiors, better handling, etc., for a little more money.

      But instead of strengthening that niche position, VW wants to compete in the U.S. against the CamAltimAccords. So we will get a cheaper Jetta, and instead of this Passat, we will get a similarly cheapened "New Midsize Sedan" (VW's version of a Buick?)

      Why not stick to the approach that worked so well with the B5? Continue offering a base Passat for 21-22K, with say two additional higher trims. They now offer the B6 Passat and CC with a starting price of 27-28K. I understand it for the CC, which is supposed to be a form over function type of a car, but why for the Passat?

      Very well said and I totally agree!

      "Cars like the Passat B5/B6 offer a little extra of everything, without crossing into the splurge territory of the premium brands. More solid feel, nicer interiors, better handling, etc., for a little more money."

      Exactly why I purchased my 3.6 B6 after test driving (several times) BMW's, Mercedes and Audi's. 10k or more in savings for very similar performance, same or more features and solid...

      I guess I'll have to jump to BMW and lose my cup holders, what a shame.

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      09-29-2010 09:29 PM #14
      ooooh boy. looks like the NA jetta vi. Where is VW going. Going for quantity instead of quality i guess

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      09-29-2010 10:49 PM #15
      front end looks like a f**king Ford Fusion
      fail

    16. 09-29-2010 11:02 PM #16
      i am almost willing to swear that the body lines are the exact same as the old one. heck the interior is, only the lights are differen. tlooks like a case of "hey look at my new shades" . superman and clark kent
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      09-29-2010 11:40 PM #17
      looks cheap.. dont like it

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      09-29-2010 11:57 PM #18
      When I first came onto the VW Vortex this evening and saw the article on the new Passat, the lines definitley remind me of the Phaeton; especially from the rear. Looks like a pretty sharp car from the outside and the interior looks OK too. It will be interesting to see how closely the new midsize sedan planned for the US resembles this Passat.

      I also hope that Volkswagen covers the full spectrum here in the US. I have no problem with VW offering entry level versions of it's cars to compete with similiar offerings from Toyota, Honda, Chevrolet, etc. Just offer us some upgraded trims and/or options so people have some choices and can get the added performance goodies should they so desire.

      When I bought my 2004 Passat GLX with every option except 4Motion, we also considered the Mercedes C240 and Cadillac CTS. Our Passat was stickered at a little over $31,000 and we picked it up for $28,000 with some of the incentives available at that time. The other 2 vehicles were considered were around $35,000-37,000. Our Passat was plenty luxurious in my opinion and had more features for less money than the competition we considered.
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      09-30-2010 12:36 AM #19
      After anticipating the new Passat for months now and seeing this . . . makes me say 'wtf'?! This is nota new model, it is a face-lifted B6. Think about it, VW did this with the last three generations of Passats: B3 & B4, B5 & B5.5 (at least the recognised that that wasn't a new model) and now the B6 & B7. The roof and doors are all the same as the B6 model and those lines that suited the B6 so well clash badly with the new panels of the B7. The tail lights look tacked on like an afterthought that someone in design pulled out of their a$$ last minute. The front's not so bad, but again, once a 3/4 view is seen, the lines don't match up. Fail for VW . . . utterly disappointed with this one.

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      09-30-2010 12:49 AM #20
      Looks like a B6.5. And again, unlike the B5/B5.5 the sedan looks boring. The trunk area needs to get changed.

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      09-30-2010 07:19 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by carusel View Post
      I really like B6 more than this one.
      B6 is big bland and ugly. The tail light design fits on a Jetta, on a passat they seem tiny and lost in a sea of metal. Front end isn't so bad but this one fits in with their new brand design. The old one fit in with the old brand design and was nice but it's out.
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      09-30-2010 09:13 AM #22
      I'd rock this in reflex silver with blk cloth interior. OH, and a 6spd manuel please.

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      09-30-2010 11:02 AM #23
      I agree with a few of the other posters that this seems to be more like a B6.5 than an "all-new" B7. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing -- I do like many of the evolutionary improvements and some of the new technology.

      If they're really not bringing Der Neue Passat Variant to the US, then I'm really happy that I snatched up a 2010 B6 wagon while they were still available here. The B6 design really grew on me over time...sort of like a fine wine. This "refresh" looks good to my eye.
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    24. 09-30-2010 11:15 AM #24
      This car is not coming here, autoblog has new info and pics of the NMS

      http://www.autoblog.com/photos/volks...rings/#3420248

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      09-30-2010 11:57 AM #25
      Is it just me? The NMS details seem to match the above car (what you'd expect the renderings to morph into for a production car). headlights, tail lights are the same shape, bumper has the same angles, same grille. But the rear door and plate positon are different. Hmm...
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      09-30-2010 12:58 PM #26
      Facelifted..nothing really new here.

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      09-30-2010 12:59 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by sbachmeier View Post
      The B6 design really grew on me over time...sort of like a fine wine. This "refresh" looks good to my eye.
      When the new MKV Jetta first appeared mid year in 2005, I remember quite a few people didn't really care for that bucktooth chrome front end which also became a prevalent feature on the B6 Passat the following year. I certainly fell into that category. But over time, I kind of got used to the look of the new Jetta; and to a lesser degree on the B6 Passat.

      This refresh looks pretty good to me too.

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      09-30-2010 01:58 PM #28
      same car with different front and rear end
      even same dash
      facelift
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      09-30-2010 02:07 PM #29
      Volkswagen needs to take a look at what markets they are serving and analyze those more carefully when they bring products into the market place. I'm not an expert in the auto industry but as a fan-boy I can honestly say that they aren't serving some of the niche markets very well when it comes to features they have on the new models. Drum brakes on the Jetta?? Really?
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      09-30-2010 02:13 PM #30
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      09-30-2010 05:24 PM #31
      A lot of upset TCLers here. It's just a refresh, which is the normal pattern for Passats.

      Does anyone know if this is a cost-cutting measure to primarily reduce assembly time a la MkVI Golf?
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      i'd lock this thread but i have no clue how...

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      09-30-2010 07:32 PM #33
      Looks almost like the b5 sedan outside, but refresh. Inside looks simple but nice

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      09-30-2010 10:39 PM #34
      Well, car looks good. Just hope they don't do what they did with the MKVI prototypes. Both those production cars are significant deviations from their prototype likenesses and both are really a let down. Guess we'll see what VW does. But if they are trying to be consistent with their current mode of operation, well, it'll not be good.

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      09-30-2010 10:41 PM #35
      Damn, that Tennessee car better be good!

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