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      awesome...my favorite engine combo

    2. 03-20-2011 07:28 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by still_a_G View Post
      Here's my belt routing. When the engine is done I will do a build thread. The tensioner is from a 98 Escort. Of course the question is will the spring rate be enough to keep enough tension on the charger. I'll measure what it is and determine what the design load is when that time comes. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed for now. Alignment is damn near perfect, btw. Oh, that's a CS130 alternator. I'll provide bracket details when done. It appears to protrude less than the ABA so it shouldn't t rub the radiator.

      I'd just like to note that when doing your routing, typical practice is to achieve 180 degrees of belt wrap, no more, no less. And the correct amount of tension is the value that provides enough tension to keep the belt from slipping at max operating temperature and load. No more, no less.

      Escort routing:



      When you used the escort tensioner were you able to find out the tension that it creates on the belt? i know that my old 1.8T had a tensioner like that, any reason why you went with this one over the 1.8T?

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      07-09-2011 10:00 PM #38
      I don't have a 1.8t? Don't know what to tell you.


      Quick pics, camera just broke, all pixelated. Will explain later this later.

      Pulley on the tensioner is a modified 3000GT timing belt idler. Torque at the tensioner is 33 ft lbs. Tension is slightly loose.




      Last edited by still_a_G; 07-12-2011 at 09:10 PM.

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      07-12-2011 09:15 PM #39
      Alrighty, first some better pictures then I will try to expand on tension and whatnot. As I said above, I had to use a different pulley. The original big one just didn't want to get out of its own way so it was hard to get a belt on it. I should say, the way this tensioner is fixed is not ideal. I am relying on mostly the shear strength of the pins that are cast on the tensioner housing. These are actually designed to break off. It should be fixed by means of surface friction....like wheels. If this cracks apart I will weld a flat surface to the charger bracket to create a mounting surface.





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      07-26-2011 02:28 AM #40
      loving the creativity!
      keep up the good work

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      09-27-2011 12:27 AM #41
      I intend to drive this Corrado 100K miles, 0 degrees or less if I have to so I did a little something over the exhaust manifold....had to make a custom fitted bracket for the lower portion of this ABF heat shield. Not sure if there is another solution; didn't look for one. Note that the 2 bolts in the back of the heat shield do not match the studs in the manifold. They are there simply to plug the holes.

      Also made some custom stainless supports for the intake manifold:







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      09-27-2011 12:37 AM #42
      Then I found a coolant hose at Advance Auto that serves nicely as a valve cover breather hose, I have to source a straight section of 1" ID hose to reach the catch can. This is mocked up, you get the idea. This ebay can will have 2 big vapor intake holes and 1 exit hole to the engine intake. I will have to plug the puny holes at the top of it.

      BTW, the new beetle breather + the NPT block breather I added do not equal the capacity of the stock 16V block breather. Keep that in mind as you build yours....





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      09-27-2011 03:09 PM #43
      im inspired

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      09-30-2011 08:30 AM #44
      Where's your build thread man? I wanna see what you're working with.

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      11-01-2011 10:41 PM #45
      Decided to run NA for a bit.





      Put a RAM laptop stand in. Having a laptop float around on the passenger seat was PITA.




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      11-20-2011 07:25 AM #46
      rebuilding the blower?
      looks good!!!!

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      11-20-2011 10:33 AM #47
      Heh, my charger has been to BBM 3 times already. I just want to get a good tune without it and see how much HP it runs NA.

      I've been busy buttoning it all together. The tranny is going on and dropping in this week.

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      11-22-2011 08:42 PM #48
      yea i got one goin out soon too...just ordered my belt, all cogged system...tough to find a belt!! I'm sooo busy right now I'm looking to hire to finish...or i'll wait till spring...

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      11-22-2011 10:40 PM #49
      Would love to help but I gotta get this beastie out of the ex's garage!

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      12-04-2011 09:11 PM #50
      Got the Polo shift box parts so that I can convert to the new style 02J stuff easily.

      Used some Dow Corning high vacuum silicone grease that I found a work to lube the assembly.





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      12-28-2011 08:52 PM #51
      Okay here is what i was thinking on the oil breather and all. Your running a catch can from the oil cap.

      Do you think it would help with some of the oil vapors and to help with keeping the apex seals lubed, would it be a good idea to feed that back into the intake tube and have it go that route? This is just a thought, however I don't know how much vapor will be coming from the oil cap by itself as this is the only crankcase vent I have going right now. I was going to consider adding a fitting to the valve cover to help some more.

      However, with some more thoughts about this could the suction from the intake be enough to help with venting also?

      As for the factory crank case breather set up I have removed that and am using the BBM block off kit and rear charger bracket. For the addition 2" hole that is there I have put a freeze plug in it and thought about taping it and using it for the oil return line.

      looking for thoughts or other ideas

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      12-30-2011 12:01 PM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by kda33 View Post
      Okay here is what i was thinking on the oil breather and all. Your running a catch can from the oil cap.

      Do you think it would help with some of the oil vapors and to help with keeping the apex seals lubed, would it be a good idea to feed that back into the intake tube and have it go that route? This is just a thought, however I don't know how much vapor will be coming from the oil cap by itself as this is the only crankcase vent I have going right now. I was going to consider adding a fitting to the valve cover to help some more.

      However, with some more thoughts about this could the suction from the intake be enough to help with venting also?

      As for the factory crank case breather set up I have removed that and am using the BBM block off kit and rear charger bracket. For the addition 2" hole that is there I have put a freeze plug in it and thought about taping it and using it for the oil return line.

      looking for thoughts or other ideas
      As far as the oil return line goes there is a threaded hole in the block that can be drilled through, you don't have to use the freeze plug. The hole is in the same location as the factory G60 return line hole.

      I'm not sure if the suction will help pull fumes out of the block but that is a good thought. The only thing you can do is try it and see if your gaskets don't start leaking.

      If you pull a lot of oil and if also use the re-route tube you will end up blowing solid oil into the charger and some of it will even end up on the air filter. Not much science here, just need to make sure the apex seals don't go dry and that the block does not get pressurized.

      You just gave me an idea. Since I have two breather ports, maybe I will run 1 into the charger and the other into the intake manifold.

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      01-04-2012 07:05 PM #53
      Okay question on tapping the block. Since I have never gotten my grubby hands on a PG block could you take a picture as to where its tapped for the oil return. I have the feed coming from the back of the head. Is that a good place?

      As for the oil breather I don't have the return boost hose coming back to the charger. I have blocked that off and was gonna tap it and put a barbed fitting into that plate and route the hose from the oil cap. However there is quite a bit of crankcase pressure that comes out of that little hole on the oil cap. So with that now in mind i am going to consider putting a vent in the valve cover also route that somewhere else so it won't put to much back into the intake and over do it

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      02-26-2012 09:20 PM #55
      The engine is in, it's on the ground, can roll around. Pushed it into the barn for a bit. Put a lift kit on my 4runner and went snowboarding all weekend. Life progresses.

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      04-26-2012 06:54 PM #56
      The "ex" is now my fiance. Strange how that works. We've been looking at houses. The smallest that we like is this one. A 4 bed but it has a radiant floor heated garage. Not much has happened lately except that I've relocated the battery to the trunk area.


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      05-12-2012 10:06 AM #57
      OK, past couple of weekends have been spent on the house hunt. We are on contract for this 7 bed with a 2 bay garage (pre-plumbed for heat ). Move in date is late June so I need to get this silly little Rado moving on its own!



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      05-12-2012 04:44 PM #58
      Spent a few hours in the garage today! Here's the coil mount I built last Fall.










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      05-12-2012 08:47 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by still_a_G View Post
      The "ex" is now my fiance. Strange how that works.
      Funny how that stuff works. Sounds like you both realized it is not an easy venture, much like love with the Corrado Congrats


      That house looks

      Quote Originally Posted by still_a_G View Post
      Spent a few hours in the garage today! Here's the coil mount I built last Fall.
      That mount looks totally overbuilt and unnecessary, but, I so like it

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      05-13-2012 11:08 AM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by sdezego View Post
      Funny how that stuff works. Sounds like you both realized it is not an easy venture, much like love with the Corrado Congrats

      That house looks

      That mount looks totally overbuilt and unnecessary, but, I so like it

      Hey, thanks bud. Yes, remaining loyal to this car is always an exercise in conflict and commitment. Would be much easier to go out and buy an Elise (or get a younger and curvier companion). but at the end of the day that requires quitting. Never been one much for that! The house, best part; 9 ft ceilings in the basement. What I do with 9 ft ceilings....pics to come I'm sure.

      I know, the coil mount is huge! It mounts to the motor mount bracket. It's mostly aluminum except for the base plate and the stock ford coil mount on top. I pulled all of the AL bits from the scrap bin at work and slapped it together. I can grab the coil and shake the engine. Vibration is of no concern.

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      05-13-2012 11:18 AM #61
      And here is my super fresh and intricate brake reservoir remote mount kit:




      Moving it up and out of the way:






      I want to find a smaller coolant reservoir, the elbow will touch when the engine rocks.


    27. 06-11-2012 06:10 PM #62
      Nice work man. Curious as to what VR sensor you are using here and or if you recommend any other one. I'm basically doing the same set up as you with the VR wheel from eBay. What size is that by the way? That seller currently only has the 5" ones available.


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      06-11-2012 08:49 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by EuroFreak View Post
      Nice work man. Curious as to what VR sensor you are using here and or if you recommend any other one. I'm basically doing the same set up as you with the VR wheel from eBay. What size is that by the way? That seller currently only has the 5" ones available.

      That picture is showing the old 8v setup I ran until the timing belt sprocket fell off. So it's a Ford EDIS sensor and an EDIS wheel. I am going to use the same sensor but the mounting plate needs to be shaved thinner. The Ebay wheel is about half the size of the Ford wheel so the sensor needs to sit closer to the engine for the best reading. The mounting position is the same though. I'll check the wheel OD later this week.
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    29. 06-21-2012 02:42 AM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by still_a_G View Post
      That picture is showing the old 8v setup I ran until the timing belt sprocket fell off. So it's a Ford EDIS sensor and an EDIS wheel. I am going to use the same sensor but the mounting plate needs to be shaved thinner. The Ebay wheel is about half the size of the Ford wheel so the sensor needs to sit closer to the engine for the best reading. The mounting position is the same though. I'll check the wheel OD later this week.
      Still pretty interested in the OD. Sadly, my setup is about 400 miles away at the moment so I can't measure the pulley myself. I'm hoping that 5" ebay wheel is what I need since the price is right.

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      09-03-2012 10:11 PM #65
      Towed it to the new house so now back to work.

      Relocated the FPR to the bay because I don't want it vibrating around at the end of the fuel rail:






      And then I relocated one of the brake lines on the MC with a banjo bolt to make room for the TB return. Now that heater hose is in the way. You'll also notice that I got flexible hydraulic tubing installed on the brake reservoir. Still gonna have trouble keeping the kinks out.


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      09-30-2012 03:04 PM #66
      Nice job man
      good work fabricating
      Where did you get that exhaust Mani heat shield?

      Git r done

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      10-08-2012 06:58 AM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by scirocconaut View Post
      Nice job man
      good work fabricating
      Where did you get that exhaust Mani heat shield?

      Git r done

      Thanks man. I believe the head shield is an ABF part. Could be Euro, don't know.

      Update: The wires are going in.

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      10-08-2012 03:03 PM #68
      I had the light setting on the camera all wrong. Here's the air and crank sensors.

      VR sensor:



      GM Air temp sensor:



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      10-08-2012 03:07 PM #69
      Eventually I'm going to try venting the bypass to avoid re-routing it. I'd like to use a silencer if I do so. So either way there needs to be more space under the throttle body. I found that the heater hose that goes to the side of the block getting in the way. So I searched the auto parts store and found one that wraps it back and out of the way:



      And hooked up:


      This is a Festo exhaust silencer. This is not how it will connect, I need a 1.25" barbed to 1" FNPT adapter:
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      Coming together.



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