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    Thread: alaincopter's brasil-style AP turbo fox build

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      10-25-2010 05:06 PM #1
      Since my original thread got deleted when the forum changed, I've decided to make a new one showing everything that has been happening to this car since day one. It is a lot of stuff, so please be patient!

      Let me start by saying that I've always wanted to have a nice Voyage, ever since I was a kid. I was born and raised in Brazil so I really grew up around BX platform cars. My first favourite car was my aunt's white Voyage.

      Anyways, onto the fox-coloured Fox. This is when I first got it in 2007.









      The 87 Trans AM you see beside it eventually got sold to fund the Fox; the grand cherokee was my first vehicle and I still drive it to this day.

      At 318,000 km, this Fox appeared to be in good shape... until you looked at the engine bay. Many would say this is not a good candidate for a turbo project; but this car caught my eye and I could really see its potential underneath all the dirt and rust.





      I sort of knew what I was getting into. This was a very inexpensive car to begin with and I knew that making it nice would be a neverending story, but I was really set on saving this one, one little thing at the time. First thing to do was to get some new wheels for it. I was always set on following a brazilian OEM+ style with this car so I decided on similar wheels to the Voyage Sport - the BBS 14" basketweaves from the late '80s BMW 325. Pics:









      Then right before winter came (bad idea but whatever) I decided to cut the springs.

      Ghetto thing to do, but Foxes ride surprisingly well with cut springs.



      First actual brazilian goodies on the car: '91-94 Voyage Sport smoked tail lights and clear markers:



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      10-25-2010 05:09 PM #2
      Believe it or not, this car made it to New York City and back. It also made it to Chicago, and to Montreal several times.



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      10-25-2010 05:17 PM #3
      then the real fun (and lots of work) was about to begin. Took a trip to Brazil in '08 and came back with a turbo kit and some other goodies.
      Here's my cousin holding the box with my biagio .48/.50 turbine, outside the Fast Street performance shop in Campinas, São Paulo (those folks are awesome to deal with and very knowledgeable in anything related to adding horsepower to AP engines)



      A couple of pics from inside their shop





      And then back home with the goodies waiting to be installed.



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      10-25-2010 05:26 PM #4
      Well, you gotta start somewhere. I knew I would have to revisit most of my install to clean everything up and do things right, but I was really eager to get the car back on the road and feel some power/hear that blow-off sound that I decided to leave some things for later (ie do a dirty install) and get the car working quickly. Yes, this involved a "custom exhaust" made mostly of flexpipe!







      Luckily I then moved out of student housing, into a house with an actual garage!
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      10-25-2010 05:31 PM #5
      Flexpipe exhaust, PVC plumbing: I really had it all! Fun times though. I could finally enjoy driving a rough turbocharged Fox. It wouldn't be long till it was back into the garage for some more work.







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      10-25-2010 05:36 PM #6
      Homemade AFR meter, following the schematics on the scirocco.org website... using a DVD case!!



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      07-23-2014 10:40 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by alaincopter View Post
      Flexpipe exhaust, PVC plumbing: I really had it all! Fun times though. I could finally enjoy driving a rough turbocharged Fox. It wouldn't be long till it was back into the garage for some more work.







      Way back in these pictures, what were you using to enrich afr? As well how did you retard the timing? Also, are you cis or cis-e then?

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      06-15-2012 12:39 PM #8
      Alain - it was so great to meet you and check out your project in person. A truly inspiring example of a Fox done right. This thing is going to be awesome when it's done - I hope to see the Fox and yourself visit NY at one point

      Thanks for the hospitality, build tips, t-connector, etc.
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      06-15-2012 04:00 PM #9
      John: Thank you! The motor is running - it starts right up but it's got a rough idle due to my injectors (I have newer ones coming). The current ones are so bad that when testing them, if I press down on the air plate just a little bit (trying to recreate an idling situation) only one injector sprays in a nice pattern; two don't spray at all and one sprays in pulses. They are not bad at part to full throttle though, and I could tell so in a couple of test drives around the block

      Still gotta put those radiator surround pieces that Rob gave me, that will be a nice addition!

      Chris: Thanks for coming by! It was great to meet you as well and talk some Fox; thanks for the gifts and for the ride in the Wagon - it drives SO nice! I hope you enjoy the rest of your time in Montreal, the concert and the vw show/camping on your way back, you're welcome to stop by again anytime in the future and I'll be sure to visit next time I drive this Fox to your neighborhood!


      Looking at the pictures above I realised it's missing one of the engine compartment all put back together, so I took one last night:


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      06-16-2012 12:01 PM #10
      Very tasty work there!

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      06-16-2012 01:43 PM #11
      Awesome!
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      06-16-2012 09:14 PM #12
      Very nice build

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      07-05-2012 10:54 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by doppelfaust View Post
      If it wasn't for you and Chris I probably would be posting my car for sale, thanks for keeping me motivated.
      Steve, when the time is right maybe I can motivate you to sell it to me

      No, seriously - Alain, I keep looking back at your progress - from pshop to reality. A true inspiration.

      ps. Your injectors shipped out already
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      07-06-2012 12:30 AM #15
      I wish the driving distance was a bit less than 4700 kms.... I'd drop by to see it. And you.
      You've got me thinking of throwing a second colour on a wagon.

      Hope you get to enjoy driving it soon.
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      07-06-2012 12:19 PM #16
      Chris - thanks man, that's exactly it! This plan has come such a long way since it first started, and I love that all this time it remained unchanged. Almost there

      Thanks so much with your help with those injectors! Once they come it's finally driving time!

      Steve, maybe one of these days in the end of this year or next year I'll be back in Brazil and can begin shipping them up again. Would be a great addition to your clean diesel

      Regan, love the look of your wagon too, it was an inspiration back when I was starting my project out. We're far far away but you never know, maybe we'll happen to meet up half way some day or one will be in the other's neck of the woods! Thanks and I hope to enjoy it soon too!

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      07-06-2012 06:40 PM #17
      Looks amazing, and glad it's running well. Great job, man! Hope to see it and you again sometime.
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      07-07-2012 12:34 PM #18
      Thanks Mark! It's still not running as well as it should at idle and on the low end due to old dirty injectors that sometimes pulse instead of spraying, but it's getting new ones very soon. Hope to see you again and meet the turbo wagon in the future as well

      Bought the last bit of paint and clear coat I'll need to re-do the quarter panels, then it'll get buttoned up again

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      08-07-2012 07:36 PM #19
      This has been a great build. What exhaust manifold are you using for the turbo, I'm thinking of boosting mine and not sure what manifold to use or just build a custom.

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      07-31-2012 09:49 PM #20
      Very good looking car. I like the body kit!

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      09-16-2012 05:31 PM #21
      I'm a big fan of orbitals

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      Not a big fan myself but I bet you'd stand to gain an mpg or two maybe
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      09-17-2012 08:34 AM #23
      The big problem with Orbitals is brake cooling. Ok, here we see even an ice cream car with a set of those wheels, but a turbo project like that needs good brakes or air ducts to run with wheels like that.
      And I can't remember how many times I hit the brakes and saw objects getting closer, closer, closer...

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      09-17-2012 11:23 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by Difus View Post
      The big problem with Orbitals is brake cooling. Ok, here we see even an ice cream car with a set of those wheels, but a turbo project like that needs good brakes or air ducts to run with wheels like that.
      And I can't remember how many times I hit the brakes and saw objects getting closer, closer, closer...
      BS

      Go ahead - show me one test using an infrared thermometer or other unbiased means proving your argument. Truth is, Orbitals are no worse than Teardrops at brake cooling.
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      * thermometer

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      I love the GOL, Is there any way you could try to get the part number off of the orbital wheel? I would greatly appreciate it.
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      I have personally been in the OKTANER and I can say ya she is a nice piece of Azz

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      Great job.


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      11-28-2013 10:27 PM #30


      Thanks!


      Really excited about this update. Finally found some Recaro seats for sale locally that didn't break the bank! Driver's side has typical bolster wear but I already ordered some new foam from capitalseating.uk.



      I still need to get one more base, and figure out the gameplan to reupholster them with the gol gti cloth I brought back from Brazil. It'll be a long project redoing the interior not to mention the suspension and brakes I have lined up also... can't wait to get to it!
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      11-28-2013 10:36 PM #31
      Congrats on the new seats. I am amazed how much nicer my buckets are compared to the original Fox seats.

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      11-29-2013 01:14 PM #32
      Wow - those look like they're in really good shape. Nice score. Also, a very belated Congrats on the baby girl! Glad to see your project is still moving along. (I'm a little jealous of that...)

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      11-30-2013 10:32 AM #33
      Thanks for the comments folks! Sitting on them sure is a world or a difference compared to the stock seats. The fabric itself looks a bit better in pictures than in real life to be honest, but they should come out real fresh in new fabric Cheers!

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      12-23-2013 02:12 PM #34
      Another small update on the seats. Got the two pieces of fabric back from embroidering





      Super happy with the result

      Heading up to the motherland tomorrow, too - have a foxy Christmas, everyone
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