If I had more thumbs they'd all be up!!!
Thanks for the comments everyone it's been such a joy finally getting to drive it! Got it back on the road just in time for the show, and to enjoy driving it for another week before I go back to Brazil for a few months.
Steve, love the teardrops and if they make them in 15" I might have to go for them in the future... kinda glad they aren't available in that size yet though because it'll be a while before I'll be able to afford them!
Berlin Klassik show was great, lots of great looking cars there, and along with Adam (VW Fox) and John (myboxyfox) we got to represent the Foxes with three fine specimen
My car was dyno'd at the event too, but unfortunately due to some ignition trouble it wouldn't make any power past 4000 rpm. At 4k we got 140.5 hp to the wheels and 200 ft-lb of torque - I'm sure it can do more after everything is squared away but still, with a 15% drivetrain loss we're at right around 160hp on the motor which is double the power of a stock Fox, so I can't complain
Even with the car running its best, it never really did anything past 5000 rpm, since I'm still runing the stock camshaft and also have the cam timing advanced about 3 degrees or so, which brings the power band to even lower rpms.
Some pics from the show:
(From left to right above, or right to left below, or high to low, or old to new - John's 4-door, mine, Adam's)
A couple days after the show I drove it 660km back to Montreal without any issues at all. I've got a few more days of driving it around here and then once again it'll go into rest while I visit the motherland. Now let's see if this time around I can finally bring some suspension bits for it
Last edited by alaincopter; 09-14-2012 at 06:35 PM.
No seriously though, thanks for the comment on the car, the basketweaves do fit it well. I've nothing against orbitals though - they're cool looking VW OEM wheels. The fact that they equipped the Gol GTi is always a plus too. I won't be bringing any, but wouldn't mind having them as a second set.
The big problem with Orbitals is brake cooling. Ok, here we see even an ice cream car with a set of those wheels, but a turbo project like that needs good brakes or air ducts to run with wheels like that.
And I can't remember how many times I hit the brakes and saw objects getting closer, closer, closer...
Go ahead - show me one test using an infrared heater or other unbiased means proving your argument. Truth is, Orbitals are no worse than Teardrops at brake cooling. Do you hate on Teardrops too? I don't see you saying "Stay away from Teardrops" when doppelfaust suggested them in the last page.
I wouldn't run either at the track - that's what multiple sets of wheels are for. But on the street, I rarely ever drive fast - and I do have 10.1 brakes ready to be installed on the car, anyway. I'd like to own multiple sets, including Orbitals and Teardrops, to change around every once in a while.
Truth is, the brake cooling issue is really a scapegoat-type argument used by you Orbital haters to justify the feelings for the wheel, which are otherwise caused by how popular they are among Brazil's lower class (see your comment about the ice cream pushcart).
I really like Orbitals, I have a set mounted in GTS for street use (the stock one, made by Borlem), but the brake cooling is a problem. The termometer was used two times, trying hit the discs, but it was not effective because the wheels design and the discs plates in the back. But, even with that problems, something higher than 110°C was found near the discs. I said near, not on the discs, so you can imagine how that thing was hot.
It's not BS. For street use, not running on "sovietic mode", you can handle with it, but in a road with a lot of corners or going downhill, it's a bit scary, believe me. The 10.1 discs helps a lot, GTS use then and the change in braking is great, but once again the difference between Orbitals and another wheel is drastic.
It's just an opinion, not something like an "orbital racism". I like your project - even I can't understand how CIS works - so it's another point of view, with other wheels.
Edit.: The ice cream pushcart it's a joke about a famous photo that you probably know. I'm not an Orbital hater, it's a brazilian sign and I like it. The only thing that I don't like about that is the brake issue, just it.
Last edited by Difus; 09-17-2012 at 12:55 PM.
dude, heart to heart right here.
Never liked how the Fox II set ups looked. But you have nailed every aspect and are making me a bit jealous of the Fox II front end.
Also, the heat argument about orbitals is the most uninformed thing i've seen on this board in a while. oh well we all had a good laugh... right?
doppelfaust - thank you! yes that's exactly the plan and I can't wait! I'm very happy with the positive response it's been getting, I've never had a car that got random folks on the street telling me how much they like it before and it really brightens your day up!
themagellan - Thanks man! Apreciate the comment! Hey I prefer the Fox I too - mine's still a Fox I, just some Brazilian headlights, but they bolt directly to the Fox I rad support with no modifications. If you'd like to achieve the same look, let me know, it'd just take some lights and trim that I could ship you from Brazil
Yeah got totally carried away with the orbitals I just see so much hate and hypocrisy about them in the Brazilian forums and sites, that I fear it overflowing and spilling over here. I don't even care for the wheel that much Still, I gotta say, an isolated reading means very little as you can get the brakes hot with any wheel - what I'd like to see is a comparison in brake disc temperatures between them and a few other wheels just to try and revoke the hate
It works directly, exactly as the stock vacuum advance unit works, but the little arm coming out of it is able to move both ways, instead of only pulling on the assembly inside the distributor to advance, it's also able to push out to retard.
The turbo fox looks like a proper factory build.
Way to go. Just read the whole thread. What a transformation and you did it without going standalone.
PM me if you have a G60 (G Lader) and don't want it.
Here is why
One of the greatest VW Fox i've seen!
Almost identical to my Gol GTi:
If you want the door cards, you can buy them here:
Alain I just finished your build thread......very good job, and I liked your innovations and back-yard solutions to some things the average dude may have spent hours on or not done at all. I'll be looking for the bushing kit in the mail so Ican get that fox outta my garage and my trukk out of the snow. ALLOFASUDDEN Bill.