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    Thread: A TCL First? '67 Rolls Royce project thread...

    1. Senior Member Air and water do mix's Avatar
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      10-27-2010 11:11 AM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by ValveCoverGasket View Post
      about $6000


      yeah the brightwork held up really well
      Good price.

      I would be surprised if the chrome didn't look really good. If it were kept inside, it certainly should. The car is of good quality and only the cheap-o chrome really fails quickly. My folks had an '86 Delta 88 (about the height of GM bad build quality). The chrome pitted within about 2 years. The bumpers on my '66 Beetle? Well, they don't look new but they look one hell of a lot better than their bumpers did in 1988! Your Rolls should have far better chrome than what's on my Bug, too. (At least I would certainly think so!)
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      10-27-2010 11:13 AM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by ValveCoverGasket View Post
      the self leveling suspension works as the rear doesnt seem to sag when the car is running. the front has already had the leveling removed and updated with the later model front struts/springs... so... less of that crap to go wrong i suppose.
      Is there an 'update' for the rear suspension as well, or does it need to remain self-leveling? I would keep it stock if you can, but it's nice to have options.
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      10-27-2010 11:18 AM #53
      from what understand about the suspension, the early shadows were sold with leveling all around, then later ones moved to rear only (not sure what year they took away front leveling). there isnt a non leveling rear end that im aware of.

      as for the chrome, i think that most of that stuff was either aluminum or some sort of stainless steel. we havent taken any of it off to be sure but it definitely seems solid and really good quality.

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      10-27-2010 11:21 AM #54
      There may have been a rear suspension update through Harvey Bailey in the UK, but I can't imagine it being cheap. And I don't even know if it's still available.

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      10-27-2010 11:25 AM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by geofftii2002 View Post
      There may have been a rear suspension update through Harvey Bailey in the UK, but I can't imagine it being cheap. And I don't even know if it's still available.
      to move to a more traditional setup in the rear? or just a different sort of self leveling?

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      10-27-2010 11:45 AM #56
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      10-27-2010 12:30 PM #57
      very nice
      my grandpa had an 89 silver spur II for a few years when i was younger. It was awesome. We drove it down to North Carolina from Nj a few times. The huge floor was great to sleep on
      That might have been the first car I ever drove, actually. I was probably in 5th grade and he let me drive arround their private community

      there was a shop in N.C. that he found and would get parts off of. Also I believe he got parts from a RR guy arround Philly, so they are out there if you look hard enough

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      10-27-2010 01:09 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by ValveCoverGasket View Post
      to move to a more traditional setup in the rear? or just a different sort of self leveling?

      That much I don't know - I was checking the Harvey Bailey website but they just direct you to Eibach UK... so I'm not sure what the deal is with the setup.

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      10-27-2010 01:11 PM #59
      interesting... i guess well have to investigate if we run into problems with the rear suspension (hoping that isnt the case though! hah)

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      10-27-2010 01:25 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by geofftii2002 View Post
      They're going to sell you lots of little washers and seals that go with each of those jobs - don't skimp out and get everything they tell you you need. This is not an easy car to recommission, the braking and suspension systems are complex and expensive to rebuild. A car that sits is a car that dies. So good luck.
      I've been training in hydraulic service and diagnosis... and have learned this is VERY true. When dealing with a high pressure hydraulic system you 100% need to replace every single O-ring, washer, crush seal etc... don't skimp. Pressurized fluid will just find the next weakest link in the chain if you only replace the leaking seal - if one is leaking, the rest are all close behind. And yes a sitting hydraulic system is one that is dying. The fluid is a life-blood, you need circulating fluid to keep the seals moist and supple - with nothing there they dry out and rot... crumbling away to dust.

      If you can avoid rubber seals (original equipment) and go with new synthetic seals (I think the material is called Viton, perhaps Nitrile... I believe Viton is the better one tho) made with modern materials DO IT! There has been much progress in hydraulic sealing methods since the 60's.

      Also change the fluid, old hydraulic fluid can be detrimental it might contain contaminants that are eating away at the seals in the car.

      As for the electrical system... don't forget to use di-electric grease, and try to make all connections completely water tight. I'd recommend using completely new harnesses and connectors (not Sta-Kon's or butt-splices at all!!!... the is absolutely no water/moisture protection and hand-crimped connectors fail all the time, they are terrible especially in industrial/automotive... vibration does them in and the wiring works loose eventually). Soldering and heat shrink (making sure to twist the wires together in a correct manner such as the Western Union Splice - this is how telegraph wiring was repaired back in the day, so obviously it works well ) would be a good way to make most repairs.



      Most important things to know with electrical reconditioning:
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      - imagine something 10 years down the road - if you don't think it will last, it won't!
      - make sure everything is 100% clean
      - make sure moisture has the hardest time getting to it
      - vibration is an enemy
      - pinched wiring is an enemy (so are tight bends, and bundles of wiring strapped down too tightly)
      - make sure everything is double insulated when crossing over metal - gusset metal holes with gas-line tubing slit down the middle or something similar... helps prevent short circuits down the road
      - think to yourself, would this be factory approved... butt-splices or "marrette" type connectors have no place in cars, boats, or aircraft. Butt-splices are for very temporary repairs. Marrettes are meant for larger gauge wiring connections done inside an enclosure

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      10-27-2010 01:36 PM #61
      if only the brits had learned how to properly make wiring connections

      at least the hydro system design is from citroen and it seems to be more robust than their wiring... aide from the special castrol rolls royce fluid it needs

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      10-27-2010 09:12 PM #62
      i wonder if DIY autotune makes a PnP kit for this vintage Rolls

      it is refreshing that someone is actually working on a real car on here...i would love to see the step by step quasi-refresh of this fine vehicle

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      love it! and the mustard too!
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      10-28-2010 12:59 AM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by ratdub View Post
      i wonder if DIY autotune makes a PnP kit for this vintage Rolls


      ive had a soft spot for an early 90s turbo bentley for a while... which could be an amusing car to put aftermarket injection onto
      but after getting involved with this thing i think one rolls/bentley is enough


      and a small update, im dropping the trans off at the rebuilders on friday morning

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      12-01-2010 01:51 PM #65
      quick update
      got word back from the trans guy last night - sounds like the flex plate is out of round, and blew up the front pump in the trans as well as the torque converter.
      hunt is on now for some of these parts, so well see how spendy of an adventure this turns into.

      also, got registered on the RROC forums, and working on hunting down some other odds and ends that it needs, and were getting closer to starting up the wood working soon

    16. 12-01-2010 02:14 PM #66
      Way to go! Love those Silver Shadows!

      They're so much more graceful than the Silver Spirit!

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      12-01-2010 02:35 PM #67
      also have to say ive really been pretty let down by the rolls wrecking yards ive gotten a hold of so far.

      no one seems to have the great little odds and ends that i would expect to find even at a german specific yard locally, engine hoses, washer bottles, random trim, etc... i dont know what the point of holding onto a whole car is if you arent willing/able to sell all of the little random bits and pieces off of it.

      anyway... hoping that joining the RROC and their forum will allow access to some folks who are actually willing to part out cars, or have random parts laying around for sale.

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      12-01-2010 04:44 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by ValveCoverGasket View Post
      anyway... hoping that joining the RROC and their forum will allow access to some folks who are actually willing to part out cars, or have random parts laying around for sale.
      You will, lots of people have Silver Shadows lying around. After mine was t-boned I needed a new rear passenger-side door. An RROC member in Ohio sold me one for a couple hundred bucks.
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      12-01-2010 04:50 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by Live-Wire View Post
      ........... If you can avoid rubber seals (original equipment) and go with new synthetic seals (I think the material is called Viton, perhaps Nitrile... I believe Viton is the better one tho) made with modern materials DO IT! There has been much progress in hydraulic sealing methods since the 60's.
      Viton is $$$ and you would need to ensure it's actually compatible with the fluid.

      Kalrez might be an option here but again, $$$.
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      12-01-2010 05:00 PM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by epbrown View Post
      You will, lots of people have Silver Shadows lying around. After mine was t-boned I needed a new rear passenger-side door. An RROC member in Ohio sold me one for a couple hundred bucks.
      excellent, thats some good news... was really frustrated by the RR wreckers yesterday afternoon.

      some parts that should be really easy to find that they were totally unwilling to sell me or didnt even have around.

      hoping to not get raked over the coals too bad by RR for the trans pump... and will probably be doing the rear main seal while the trans is out - since we have to bring the flywheel runout back into spec before we go putting it all together and blowing another trans. not sure when ill get around to all of this but ill keep you guys posted

    21. 12-01-2010 05:22 PM #71
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      And do us all a favor, when you get her up and running (worth it if you are going to keep the car) don't put the F@cking Grey Poupon in the console. Or the stupid Chauffeur's cap. That's just seriously un-clever. And don't rent it out for weddings, that's trite. Just drive it, it's an experience like no other car in the world.


      Great project! Good luck.

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      12-01-2010 05:56 PM #72
      thanks, and im looking forward to posting some good news and shots of this thing outside and moving under its own power

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      02-09-2011 12:44 AM #73
      quick update, been a couple months since weve done anything on this as weve been trying to track down transmissions... finally sourced a complete unit from what we were told was a running/driving car last week, its at the transmission shop now getting a once over. along the way weve managed to pick up another spare semi-complete 4spd for parts later (bringing our grand total up to 3 4spd RR transmissions... that has to be a record ).

      hope to have some progress made within the next month or so after all of the transmissions come back from the shop

      then its onto refinishing the wood, cleaning things up under the hood, and likely swapping on some reproduction early bumpers to make it look period correct again, should have it looking something like this after the bumper swap:


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