A TCL First? '67 Rolls Royce project thread...

[The Maytag Man]

[ValveCoverGasket]

From the guy selling the Camargue? Nice, yes, but RHD.

thats the one
ah, forgot it was RHD. awesome color combo though!

[MRVW00]

That coupe is amazing...

[epbrown]

I'm still on RROC, but I haven't seen a LHD coupe posted this year. I was liking the blue 72 sedan in Indiana, but everyone talked the owner into keeping it!

Follow-up that I thought might interest TCL - the seller of the 72 sedan posted his maintenance log, since this is one of those cars everyone squawks about running costs. Details below, but the big figures are:

Total spent: $47,627.90, divided by 26 years it's cost him $1831.84/year to run a vintage Rolls-Royce, $1439/year without the repaint he did last year. Details below.

Date Where Description Cost

12/23/85 Valve Cover Gasket $216.00
12/23/85 Fan Clutch $36.00
12/23/85 Washer Pump $36.00
1/20/86 Rebuild Compensator System $688.00
5/14/86 Fuel Pump $331.00
11/7/86 Bleed brake system $1,330.00
10/16/89 Spark Plugs $80.00
10/16/89 Oil Change $18.00
5/16/90 Rebuild Brake Servos $1,703.00
7/9/90 Tie Rod Ball Joints $580.00
1/29/91 Rebuild Front Brakes $1,419.00
6/1/91 Hubcaps $565.00
6/7/91 Front and Rear Shock Bushings $32.00
6/7/91 Plug Wires $363.00
6/7/91 Torque Arm Mounts $43.00
3/14/92 Rear axle rebuild $500.00
8/18/92 Valve Cover Gasket $300.00
8/18/92 Overhaul Accumulator Valves $600.00
8/18/92 Door locks LF RF LR $270.00
9/4/93 LF Window Regulator replacement $800.00
4/22/94 AC Compressor, dryer, hose, belts replace $1,683.00
4/24/96 Windshield seal $200.00
4/24/96 RR#2 Brake pump push rod $150.00
12/17/96 Heater hose replacement $350.00
12/17/96 Brake system flush $100.00
7/17/97 Overhaul LR Caliper, brake hoses $998.00
8/1/97 Replace high pressure steering hose $300.00
7/27/01 Spark Plugs $80.00
7/27/01 Points and Condensor $100.00
7/30/01 Replace starter motor $662.00
1/2/02 Replace high pressure steering hose $200.00
1/2/02 Replace wiper motor assembly $650.00
1/2/02 Replace wiper transmission $600.00
1/2/02 Spark Plugs $80.00
11/22/02 Overhaul water pump $841.00
11/22/02 Replace thermostat $177.00
11/22/02 Replace front motor mount $168.00
11/22/02 Replace rear motor mount $350.00
11/22/02 Replace trunk seal $450.00
1/10/03 Replace Radiator core $925.00
1/10/03 Overhaul carburettors $425.00
2/2/05 Replace LR bearings $1,002.00
5/26/05 Clean and adjust carburettors $275.00
1/6/06 Replace RF window lift $290.00
1/6/06 Bleed hydraulic system $122.90
2/15/06 Replace trailing arm hoses $424.00
3/8/06 Replace viscous fan coupling $554.00
5/10/06 Replace front right door seal $369.00
4/20/07 Replace driver door seal $449.00
4/20/07 Replace fuel gauge level unit $641.00
4/20/07 Replace power antenna $365.00
7/8/08 Replace battery $163.00
7/8/08 Replace rocker cover gaskets $1,129.00
7/8/08 Replace oil pressure transducer switch $121.00
7/8/08 Repair coolant header tank $321.00
7/8/08 Replace both front shock absorbers $1,620.00
7/14/08 Replace high pressure steering hose $513.00
7/14/08 Recharge AC $100.00
11/11/08 Bleed hydraulic system $250.00
11/11/08 Replace #1 Accumulator High Pressure Hose $483.00
11/11/08 Replace AC Compressor $996.00
11/11/08 Replace AC Dryer / Accumulator $231.00
11/11/08 Replace ignition condenser $140.00
3/4/09 Replace AC Compressor $750.00
3/4/09 Replace Front stabilizer bushings $307.00
3/4/09 Repair fuel sending unit $140.00
3/4/09 Replace both Front Compliance Bushings $1,410.00
3/4/09 Replace LR Bearing pin and washers $1,032.00
3/4/09 Replace steering coupling boot $53.00
6/9/09 Replace Ignition coil ballast $180.00
6/9/09 Replace fuel pump $989.00
6/9/09 O ring for brake reservoir $193.00
10/15/10 Replace windshield $750.00
10/15/10 Replace back window seal $95.00
10/15/10 Replace all door seals $350.00
10/15/10 Replace hood pads $580.00
10/15/10 Respray $10,191.00
4/2/11 Electronic Ignition $240.00
4/2/11 Spark Plugs $90.00
4/2/11 Replace thermostat $95.00
4/2/11 Replace hot water tap $75.00
4/2/11 fan motor $150.00

[A.Wilder]

Good lord some of those costs are extremely high. tie rod ball joints $580?! Door seal $350-450?!?!?!

[PoorHouse]

Lot of things cheaper than I thought.

The brake work is ridiculous though. Is the brake system tied into something else?

[epbrown]

Lot of things cheaper than I thought.

The brake work is ridiculous though. Is the brake system tied into something else?

The brakes are tied into the high pressure hydraulics that handle load/ride leveling. Also the fronts have TWO calipers per wheel.

[garageless]

Looking at those prices makes me wonder if service for a Turbo RL would be similar in cost. Tgose seem to be 75-80% depreciated and although they lack the classic beauty of your 67 they still have quite a bit of presence.

[Air and water do mix]

Good lord some of those costs are extremely high. tie rod ball joints $580?! Door seal $350-450?!?!?!

Yet the overall costs are quite reasonable. You also have the fact that you're driving a Rolls.

[Chris16vRocco]

Good lord some of those costs are extremely high. tie rod ball joints $580?! Door seal $350-450?!?!?!

Are those costs with labor, or just the price of the parts? Were these parts purchased at list price from a dealer, or from aftermarket suppliers, or with a discount.

Also, the fan clutch was only $38? The one for my 5.2 Jeep cost twice that.

[epbrown]

Are those costs with labor, or just the price of the parts? Were these parts purchased at list price from a dealer, or from aftermarket suppliers, or with a discount.

Also, the fan clutch was only $38? The one for my 5.2 Jeep cost twice that.

All of the amounts are parts and labor using three of independent shops.

[A.Wilder]

All of the amounts are parts and labor using three of independent shops.

ok, that makes a bit more sense.

Still think the owner got raped on the ball joints and door seals. Unless it has some insanely complex door seal and ball joint.

[ValveCoverGasket]

Also, the fan clutch was only $38? The one for my 5.2 Jeep cost twice that.

theres a jag replacement that fits and is about 10x cheaper than the identical rolls branded fan clutch. the indy shop was probably smart enough to lead him toward the cheaper part

also... theres an early 90s turbo bentley for sale on RROC right now as well. those are MUCH more expensive to run. the guy on there has also posted his costs (dealer serviced with original bentley parts) and its approaching 6 figures as i recall... just since the late 90s. big money

[ValveCoverGasket]

Still think the owner got raped on the ball joints and door seals. Unless it has some insanely complex door seal and ball joint.

all of the soft rubber parts for these cars are really expensive. its not like resealing an old mustang

door seals for older vws arent too much different in price though - if you can even find them!

[ValveCoverGasket]

bumpers!








theyre not mint but it fits the rest of the car's patina

[epbrown]

Nice - now, about the grill/radiator shell...

[Wanganrunner]

Does this car not have the little headlight brush things?

Those are so choice.



I want a Rolls now.

[ValveCoverGasket]

Nice - now, about the grill/radiator shell...

i know i know! hah
thats probably on the way back burner for now... at least until its on the ground and running and we see if we have any more mechanical things to shake out. a grill is easy to find and fit so im not too worried about getting my hands on one of those...


no headlight wipers on this guy, i think that was only for the later shadow 2s...

[71DubBugBug]

I might have mentioned this before, but aside from repair costs, I think it would be awesome to daily one of those.

[epbrown]

no headlight wipers on this guy, i think that was only for the later shadow 2s...

The headlight wipers weren't a common option, and they didn't start until the 1978-1980 Shadow IIs; the wipers mounted where the side intakes are on the Shadow I.

[XenoLlama]

Tell me you are bringing her to Leavenworth this year. Show everyone how us crazy northwestern wa folks roll.

[Dobes]

Heh, it's nice to see someone else still using a non-ball bearing Craftsman toolbox. I've put off upgrading forever....... Word of advice, get some silicone spray for the drawer sliders. It's not as good as having ball bearings, but will make a nice difference, especially for heavily loaded drawers.

Oh, and nice car!

[ValveCoverGasket]

Tell me you are bringing her to Leavenworth this year. Show everyone how us crazy northwestern wa folks roll.

we'll see how its running by then, thats kind of a long drive! ha

and yes, very much enjoying the non-ball bearing tool box. i dont really care that it takes 1/10 more effort to pull out the drawers... the money i saved was better spent on more tools anyway

[XenoLlama]

we'll see how its running by then, thats kind of a long drive! ha

At least you can have someone else drive whilst you recline in luxury in the back.

[Air and water do mix]

Looking good, Lewis!

Feeling good, Valentine!

[Mooosman]

Looking good, Billy Ray!

Feeling good, Lewis!

FTFY

edit:

[Air and water do mix]

FTFY

Thanks, It's been a while!

for Jamie Lee Curtis

[ValveCoverGasket]

just got word back from the trans shop that the rebuilt unit is ready, along with 2 other trans worth of spare parts - that will probably get sold on RROC when the time comes.

hoping to pick everything up friday afternoon and take some shots.

found a guy on RROC who will let me borrow a crank bolt socket so i can get runout on the flexplate, and use it while installing the trans.

if i can find enough time this should be wrapped up sooner rather than later

also poking around the car last weekend reminded me i probably need to order some random tuneup parts for when this hits the road - spark plugs, air filter, new plug wires.


thanks for reading and ill keep updating as we make more progress

[Bull0080]

Cool project, wish I had the room and time. Have fun!

[Dave926]

Always wondered if you had a build thread for this car, or even pics. Subscribed

[ValveCoverGasket]

Cool project, wish I had the room and time.

im quickly running out of both but i want to see this through, so itll get rolling. i think were over the hump now (hopefully!)

[ValveCoverGasket]

its baaaack!






and we managed to acquire a sizable collection of RHD 4spd stuff








working with alber's to get some tune up parts for its road debut - air filter looks like an old birds nest! hah and waiting on the crank sprocket tool - should be in this week, then the real work starts

[ttvick]

This is such a cool project... More updates, please!

[ValveCoverGasket]

ill keep posting stuff as soon as we make some more progress

[CRAIG1MACK]

Great project, very happy to see something so far out of the norm. Thanks and good luck with it