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    1. Member almsrabbit's Avatar
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      11-17-2010 01:39 PM #1
      I just took my injectors and injector pump into a local shop near us to have it diagnosed ie. whether rebuild or reseal, but i was told to have it rebuilt even just reseal it could take $450-$1200......being a senior in highschool my budget isn't exactly what you would call huge, and I am trying to get this thing running soon because it is my first car, and I am tired of seeing it sitting in the drive . so my question is is if it is only a reseal to save money should I do it myself or spend the money and have them do it, and how hard is it to do?
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    2. 11-17-2010 01:46 PM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by almsrabbit View Post
      I just took my injectors and injector pump into a local shop near us to have it diagnosed ie. whether rebuild or reseal, but i was told to have it rebuilt even just reseal it could take $450-$1200......being a senior in highschool my budget isn't exactly what you would call huge, and I am trying to get this thing running soon because it is my first car, and I am tired of seeing it sitting in the drive . so my question is is if it is only a reseal to save money should I do it myself or spend the money and have them do it, and how hard is it to do?
      Why did you remove all the components? Were you having issues, leaks? Injectors can be bought rebuilt, and injector pumps normally leak from certain areas, which can be resealed at home with a lil patience, a bit more info will help

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      11-17-2010 02:31 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by almsrabbit View Post
      I just took my injectors and injector pump into a local shop near us to have it diagnosed ie. whether rebuild or reseal, but i was told to have it rebuilt even just reseal it could take $450-$1200......being a senior in highschool my budget isn't exactly what you would call huge, and I am trying to get this thing running soon because it is my first car, and I am tired of seeing it sitting in the drive . so my question is is if it is only a reseal to save money should I do it myself or spend the money and have them do it, and how hard is it to do?
      These guys quoted me around $175 for my pump rebuild. I haven't done it yet as the car is now a gasser, but when I sell the pump I will send it there first to get it overhauled.

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      11-17-2010 02:49 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by tonythayer View Post
      These guys quoted me around $175 for my pump rebuild.
      A rebuild or a reseal? If it's a rebuild with Bosch parts and seals, that's a great price! I think the norm is about $400-$450.

      http://www.thedieselstore.com, doesn't charge a core unless you don't return it. The return shipping is also paid for.

      I have rebuilt injectors from them.

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      11-17-2010 02:51 PM #5
      Now that I think about it, it may have been just for a reseal. My pump has zero shaft play and wasn't leaking when I put it away so that was where I was leaning.

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      11-17-2010 02:59 PM #6
      Well when I bought the car the head was off the block, the pump was off and and the injectors were out of it. So I have no clue what it ran like before, and no I have not taken the pump apart I just don't know whether or not I should attempt to do it myself or not. Right now it is at the shop just so i can get a quote on price. I guess what I am asking is if it is worth my time and money to do it myself.
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      11-17-2010 03:21 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by almsrabbit View Post
      Well when I bought the car the head was off the block, the pump was off and and the injectors were out of it. So I have no clue what it ran like before, and no I have not taken the pump apart I just don't know whether or not I should attempt to do it myself or not. Right now it is at the shop just so i can get a quote on price. I guess what I am asking is if it is worth my time and money to do it myself.
      That probably depends on what your time is worth. Be patient with it and make double sure you do things right and you'll probably be fine. Rebuild kits are cheap but doing things properly is priceless.

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      11-17-2010 07:39 PM #8
      alright this has been helpful! appreciate you guy's input, and suggestions!!
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      11-17-2010 07:58 PM #9
      if you have never had a pump apart before, there is a lot of research you should do first, there are a few seals that are simple to replace, main shaft seal, fuel cutoff o-ring, etc. others are a little more involved and most of the will require some experience.

      the injectors are very simple to rebuild, and the parts for them are very cheap. nearly anyone with even the smallest amount of mechanical knowledge can rebuild them
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    10. 11-17-2010 08:35 PM #10
      Are there any resources you would recommend in particular for procedures/tips on rebuilding pumps? The holy Bentley just passes right over the subject.

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      11-17-2010 09:37 PM #11
      If your pump is working, but just leaking, send it to this guy:

      http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-Di...Q5fAccessories

      He's done a few for me. No problems whatsoever. I usually clean them up a bit before I ship the, to reduce the possibility of crud getting in the pump.

      Upside is, he's in your state, so shipping will be cheep (presumably), or he might be close enough to drive.


      If the pump has not been used in years, I would suggest a rebuild.

      http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-Di...item4cf3222eb4

      These guys rebuilt Shannon's (deathhare) pump not too long ago. Apparently it worked great.


      The big problem when you let them sit is that the vanes in the feed pump get stuck, and wont' pull and/or pressurize the fuel. Without that, it won't run too well.

      Alot of "diesel" specialists here charge in the $800-1000 range to remove, rebuild and reinstall pumps. Highway robbery.

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      11-17-2010 09:41 PM #12
      Looks like he's about 45 minutes away from you in Lincolnton.

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      11-17-2010 11:26 PM #13
      yes i pass through Lincolnton once in a while I might just think about it. I will have to see what happens. Thanks for the info!!!
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      11-17-2010 11:55 PM #14
      There is this option also. My buddy got his here.

      http://www.partsplaceinc.com/product...ults.aspx?s=84

    15. 11-18-2010 03:50 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by mk1daily View Post
      There is this option also. My buddy got his here.

      http://www.partsplaceinc.com/product...ults.aspx?s=84
      Its an option, but the OP is on limited funds and Parts place is a rip off, if your savy and dont like wasting money on companies that prey on new guys, go to other places that have been posted, Parts Place is highway robbery

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      11-18-2010 05:58 PM #16
      wheres it leaking from u might be able to fix it yourself real easy like
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      11-19-2010 07:00 PM #17
      It's spendy but worth it IMHO...Send it to Giles

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      11-19-2010 07:13 PM #18
      Whatever you do, stay away from Prothe. He has several websites, and I think they all end up giving the contact info as being in Charlotte. He claims to be able to do rebuilds, etc on the IPs and that he can test them properly, but I've seen many, many complaints that the pumps don't hold up for long, if at all. If you head over to vwdiesel.net and do a search for him, you'll get lots of details.

      We sent our pump to Giles. He is the man when it comes to IPs. Ours is a turbo IP so it cost more. Still not super cheap, but its worth every penny. He did some great work with our IP...looks brand new. We're a few weeks away from getting the car up and running so I can't say about the performance but everyone I've heard of having a Giles pump, says his work is 2nd to none.

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      11-19-2010 08:10 PM #19
      i second going with giles, even if you don't get the performance pump, he obviously understands these pumps extremely well, and thats worth money, he'll stand behind his work too, hes got a good reputation to uphold. i used to always do stuff the cheap way but it never ends up being worth it, once u spend good money in a good place, it feels good haha. if u just wanna fix the car tho u could alwayus just get another used good pump
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      11-19-2010 11:42 PM #20
      I have looked into Giles, but I am not sure how much he charges when it comes to just rebuilding the pump, without any performance stuff in it. All i know is that a performance pump is like $1200 and I cannot afford that right now....maybe someday, but not right now. If you guys have prices it would be helpful!! and thanks for the bit about Prothe it was helpful!
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      11-20-2010 12:13 AM #21
      We paid $950 CDN for our turbo IP rebuild (so it was around $900 USD). He does improvements to the pumps with any rebuild, which is why they cost more. He works his own kind of magic, and from what I've heard apparently he mixes some TDI IP parts in. No matter what type of rebuild you get done, you will get better performance. Our rebuilt IP can handle up to 20 psi of boost. Stock is 9psi on the car.

      I think the regular IP rebuilds are $750 CDN.

    22. 11-20-2010 12:50 AM #22
      I say reseal it yourself. I bought a DVD off of ebay that showed how to disassemble and reassemble an IP. You can change certain seals on the IP that are obviously leaking without changing the internal dynamic pump pressure settings. If you decide to totally reseal the pump, more than likely your will change the internal pump pressure settings, but you can always bring your pump to a diesel shop that can recalibrate your IP, but that will cost some dough!

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      11-20-2010 01:04 AM #23
      from what i know giles calibrates the pumps for using the different viscosity of the fuels we use today, when these cars came out we had just diesel fuel, then we had low sulfur diesel fuel, then around 2007 they switched to ultra low sulfur diesel fuel which is what he cals too, i just think good workermanship and someone who will stand behind their product is hard to find nowadays, everyone just wants to sell u crap and run off with your money kicking and screaming now a days.
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    24. 11-20-2010 06:06 AM #24
      Keep It Simple Stupid, dont mean to offend, but you have jumped the gun, learn how to reinstall the parts on the vehicle, get it running, and THEN determine if you have a problem. Dont assume anything is broken, the injection pumps last a very long time, as do injectors, if you want to throw money away by trying to fix something you cannot confirm is broken, its your pocket thats losing out. If you need guidance on the basics of the VW Diesels, heres a link

      http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SY4PPGQH

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      11-20-2010 09:40 AM #25
      I had actually just figured while I had it off might as well, get thing done while it is apart, but you are right keeping it simple is good. I can't imagine that much wear in a pump that was on a car with 128xxx miles on it..same with the injectors, but being that it was sitting for about 10+ years could it off the car, could it be possible that the internals are corroded. I don't exactly know how suceptable these thing are to rust and junk inside. I do know that if it does just need a reseal I am going to do that so it can compete with the ultra low sulfur diesel, because the old seals don't hold up to it very well, or so I have been told..anyone else confirm this? Either way the info you guys have been giving is extremely helpful!!
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      11-20-2010 10:45 AM #26
      Ours sat for 4 years at least, and had 180,000+ miles on it (broken odometer when we got the car). Did the timing belt, water pump, t-stat, new glow plugs and battery. Also did all new coolant lines because the reservoir was full of sludge. But thats about all we did before we had it up and running. Over the course of a year, we did the suspension and brakes (new MC and booster), new injectors, fixed the heater box. A lot of that just comes with sitting for so long. We drove it for a year before we parked it and pulled out everything for a rebuild. The rebuild came because we could barely get over 40mpg (and that was doing 60mph on the highway) and it just kept going down. We wanted to get a baseline mileage but it just kept going down. At 30mpg, we decided, let's fix it right.

      I'd say, see if you can't get it started. Pulling the IP and injectors aren't all that hard if you need to later. Do a new timing belt for sure before you try to start it. If you can get it running and drive it, thats the best way you'll see what needs replacing, rather than throw money at it for no reason. Then start putting money away for repairs...if its been sitting for 10 years I'm sure it will need some work.

      Definitely read up over on vwdiesel.net. Lots of really good diesel info. The IDI section will be your best friend.

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