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      11-19-2010 01:14 AM #1
      6.7% of the 2010 cars and light trucks sold in the US had manual transmissions.

      Toyota, Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, and Daimler had lower percentages. Surprisingly, GM had a higher percentage (7.2%), even though GM historically tended to have lower than average percentages.

      http://www.epa.gov/otaq/fetrends.htm (appendix P, columns V, W, X are transmission percentages for manual, automatic, and CVT).


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      11-19-2010 01:20 AM #2
      Compared to what, 98% in Europe?
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      11-19-2010 01:29 AM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by bmann View Post
      Compared to what, 98% in Europe?
      Europe is going in the same direction as us, albeit at a slow-as-molasses pace.

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      11-19-2010 01:33 AM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by rapyoke View Post
      Europe is going in the same direction as us, albeit at a slow-as-molasses pace.
      Yeah, but down from 85% to 75% in the last 8 years, is still a looooong way off of 7%.
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    5. 11-19-2010 02:03 AM #5
      Does that mean this shirt will be less cheesy in a few years?


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      11-19-2010 02:51 AM #6
      Somebody needs to produce a heavy duty car- just to throw off these lists.
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      11-19-2010 04:01 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by bmann View Post
      Yeah, but down from 85% to 75% in the last 8 years, is still a looooong way off of 7%.
      It's funny how this is SPOT on! I just did a check on Finland biggest secondhand car website and of the 63.662 cars for sale there were 16.110 automatics, so yeah, 25%!
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      11-19-2010 09:42 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by bmann View Post
      Yeah, but down from 85% to 75% in the last 8 years, is still a looooong way off of 7%.
      So, since taxation forced Europe in to tiny cars with tiny engines that need a manual trans to simply move, that makes them better than us?

      Dude, don't fall into the trap that all those little 1 liter manual trans cars were bought because they were in any way desirable. There's a reason that 7 series BMWs come with 2.0-2.8 liter engines over there and not here. Do you thin kthat a 2.8 liter 7 series is a good fit? No, it's done because they think they HAVE to.
      I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.

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      11-19-2010 09:45 AM #10
      I think this statistic is flawed anyways because more than half of the cars in the U.S. don't even have the manual option in the first place...so how can someone opt for it?

      If some cars actually CAME with manuals, I think we would be looking at a higher percentage...

    11. 11-19-2010 09:55 AM #11
      Believe it or not, 6.7% was actually an increase, from 4.8% last year.


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      11-19-2010 10:12 AM #13
      I just bought my first automatic transmission car. It's a DSG, and I like it, but sometimes I find myself trying to use the manual transmission that isn't there.

      After a lifetime of driving the car exactly as I wanted with a manual, I'm now finding that I can control the gear selection using the accelerator and brake, and of course the automatic shifts faster than I ever could. Engine braking down hills is way nicer in the automatic. I'm not sure I lost anything.

      I do wish I had more programs than just D and S.

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      11-19-2010 10:15 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by RollingInDubs View Post
      I think this statistic is flawed anyways because more than half of the cars in the U.S. don't even have the manual option in the first place...so how can someone opt for it?

      If some cars actually CAME with manuals, I think we would be looking at a higher percentage...
      Who cares? Are people really pining for manual Traverses, Grand Cherokees, ES350s, and Avalons?

    15. 11-19-2010 10:17 AM #15
      Europeans don't only buy manuals because their cars are underpowered. They buy them because they know how to drive a manual, and then choose to buy them. In the US, most people buy automatics now because they have no idea how to drive a manual, making it a bit difficult to choose to spend $20+ on a car they can't drive.

      Also, Europeans just do drive more assertively than Americans - the manual lends itself to that kind of driving, while automatics are better for slowly oozing from place to place while sipping your latte.

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    16. 11-19-2010 10:21 AM #16
      Get used to it; that number ain't climbing soon.

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      11-19-2010 10:25 AM #17
      I can't see myself buying a brand new car anytime soon so as long as there's an abundance of used cars with manual transmissions..i'll be ok.

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      11-19-2010 10:28 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by InfraRedline View Post
      Europeans don't only buy manuals because their cars are underpowered. They buy them because they know how to drive a manual, and then choose to buy them. In the US, most people buy automatics now because they have no idea how to drive a manual, making it a bit difficult to choose to spend $20+ on a car they can't drive.

      Also, Europeans just do drive more assertively than Americans - the manual lends itself to that kind of driving, while automatics are better for slowly oozing from place to place while sipping your latte.

      And that shirt will never be anything but full cheesy.
      Walk down a nice street in any major European city and check out the cars... you'd be surprised at how many automatics you'll see.
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    19. 11-19-2010 10:39 AM #19
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      I think this statistic is flawed anyways because more than half of the cars in the U.S. don't even have the manual option in the first place...so how can someone opt for it?

      If some cars actually CAME with manuals, I think we would be looking at a higher percentage...

      Came to post this exact same thought. The stats dont say that people do not want manual cars, all they show that manufacturers are selling many automatic and few manual transmission equipped cars.
      Not saying the stats are flawed, but they do not represent a clear picture of real demand for manual equipped versus automatic transmissions.

      When manufacturers do offer the choice, its usually on the expensive models or the stripper base models - both groups which make up a small percentage of total sales. They should do a thorough analysis: whats the percentage of manual equipped cars in models that offer the option. For now these stats dont say much.

    20. 11-19-2010 10:41 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by InfraRedline View Post
      Europeans don't only buy manuals because their cars are underpowered. They buy them because they know how to drive a manual, and then choose to buy them. In the US, most people buy automatics now because they have no idea how to drive a manual, making it a bit difficult to choose to spend $20+ on a car they can't drive.

      Also, Europeans just do drive more assertively than Americans - the manual lends itself to that kind of driving, while automatics are better for slowly oozing from place to place while sipping your latte.

      And that shirt will never be anything but full cheesy.
      Wow, there is so much nonsense in these statements I think my head might explode.

      I guess my idea of every driver in Europe being Sebastien Loeb and power sliding around the Eiffel Tower is correct then?
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      11-19-2010 10:41 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by B_artman View Post
      Came to post this exact same thought. The stats dont say that people do not want manual cars, all they show that manufacturers are selling many automatic and few manual transmission equipped cars.
      Not saying the stats are flawed, but they do not represent a clear picture of real demand for manual equipped versus automatic transmissions.

      When manufacturers do offer the choice, its usually on the expensive models or the stripper base models - both groups which make up a small percentage of total sales. They should do a thorough analysis: whats the percentage of manual equipped cars in models that offer the option. For now these stats dont say much.
      Except that's because people stopped buying manuals unless it was in the sports model or base model cheap-ass stripper edition.

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      11-19-2010 10:43 AM #22
      The weird thing about this is that Americans very obviously have shift envy. Most car commercials feature a smiling driver enthusiastically "shifting" in order to accelerate. So, we think shifting is awesome, yet we don't want to actually do it.
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      11-19-2010 10:44 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by InfraRedline View Post
      Europeans don't only buy manuals because their cars are underpowered. They buy them because they know how to drive a manual, and then choose to buy them. In the US, most people buy automatics now because they have no idea how to drive a manual, making it a bit difficult to choose to spend $20+ on a car they can't drive.

      Also, Europeans just do drive more assertively than Americans - the manual lends itself to that kind of driving, while automatics are better for slowly oozing from place to place while sipping your latte.

      And that shirt will never be anything but full cheesy.
      True, true

      People have always had manuals and never probably tried automatics. It's just what they are used to. My folks aren't enthusiastic drivers by a long shot, they just probably never even thought about automatics.
      Also if automatic is an 2000euro option, it's easy to rule it out when buying your 5th corolla on the row.

    24. 11-19-2010 10:47 AM #24
      I wonder what it is in Canada?

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      11-19-2010 10:48 AM #25
      I wonder which of the car brands has the highest manual transmission ownership? Can't be BMW or Porsche as both seem to have lost the plot and are moving away from their traditional driver engagement heritage.....

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