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      01-10-2012 12:52 PM #106
      Why does it matter if the bushing seizes to the subframe? If you like the way they feel, it's not a wear item and will never need to be replaced. If you don't like them, you will probably remove them long before they have a chance to seize.

      In my case, the (034) bushing is smaller than the hole in the subframe, so I don't think I'll have a problem either way.

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      01-10-2012 01:22 PM #107
      Im also getting the 034 motorsport bushings.

      I am not worried about the problems people have mentioned... the bushings see a decent amount of movement so i doubt they will have time to really weld themselves together... if you drive the car i would assume that this effect would be broken every time you hit a bump... the forces have to pass through somewhere.

    3. 01-10-2012 08:15 PM #108
      I can verify there are no ridges on the 034 mounts. Just got them in today and the line you see in the picture is a visual artifact from the machining process. The mounts are smooth on both sides.

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      01-11-2012 05:51 PM #109
      I grabbed the 034 bushing set with new OEM subframe bolts, as my car is in the shop with the subframe already dropped.

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    6. 01-30-2012 09:47 AM #111
      Has anyone gotten any of the urethane steering rack mounts that are available? Thinking about picking these up too since I'm going to have the subframe dropped.

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      01-30-2012 10:06 AM #112
      who makes the urethane bushings for the steering rack?

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      01-30-2012 10:32 AM #113
      Quote Originally Posted by Yak Meat View Post
      who makes the urethane bushings for the steering rack?
      I thought USRT makes a set.

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      01-30-2012 10:46 AM #114
      just ordered solid subframe bushings from USRT, will review mine asap!
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    10. 01-31-2012 04:52 AM #115
      Prothane and PowerFlex make urethane steering rack bushings.

    11. 02-14-2012 04:42 PM #116
      Well just got off the phone with 034. Again. I was cruising their site and found out there are SPECIFIC bushings for the R32/TT, and the generic Mk4 bushings they make are incorrect apparently. So now I'll be sending mine back.

      HERE ARE THE CORRECT BUSHINGS:
      http://www.034motorsport.com/chassis...o-p-22328.html

      Please update the first page

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      02-14-2012 05:14 PM #117
      Just saw that today on their site, however I have had the other ones installed in my car since summer, with no issues

      I sent them an email to see what the issues would be if I left the generic MK4 ones in the car

      anyone know? what a pita

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      02-14-2012 05:28 PM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by MatadoR32 View Post
      Well just got off the phone with 034. Again. I was cruising their site and found out there are SPECIFIC bushings for the R32/TT, and the generic Mk4 bushings they make are incorrect apparently. So now I'll be sending mine back.

      HERE ARE THE CORRECT BUSHINGS:
      http://www.034motorsport.com/chassis...o-p-22328.html

      Please update the first page
      Holy Crap! So you're saying if I used the link to purchase mine back in August (can't remember now if I did or not ) I got the wrong part? That sucks. Good thing I didn't try to install them yet. Now I'll have to try to figure out which ones I have before my overhaul.

      Do you happen to know any more specific details on how they differ?

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      02-14-2012 06:59 PM #119
      Quote Originally Posted by Airy32 View Post
      Do you happen to know any more specific details on how they differ?

      x2

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      02-14-2012 07:50 PM #120
      Quote Originally Posted by MatadoR32 View Post
      Well just got off the phone with 034. Again. I was cruising their site and found out there are SPECIFIC bushings for the R32/TT, and the generic Mk4 bushings they make are incorrect apparently. So now I'll be sending mine back.

      HERE ARE THE CORRECT BUSHINGS:
      http://www.034motorsport.com/chassis...o-p-22328.html

      Please update the first page
      Um. This completely contradicts what I was told and what was on the site when this went up. There was one bushing for all MK4. That is what the site said, and that is what they said.

      ...Kimble also has the "wrong" ones installed. That happen to be just fine.
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      I have seen several open slots, usually after tequila. Wait, I think that's different.
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    16. 02-14-2012 11:29 PM #121
      I'll call them again tomorrow and get the specifics, I was just told to send them back. I spoke with Sam @ 034, but didn't get any additional specifics. They used the same stock photo in both product shots, so I'm really not sure what the deal is.

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      02-15-2012 02:43 AM #122
      I sent them an email and never heard anything back today and they didn't answer the phone

      Please let us know what you find out

    18. 02-15-2012 04:06 PM #123
      Everyone,
      1. I may have inadvertently caused a slight panic without cause by getting conflicting information and reporting on my experiences. My bad.
      2. Don't call 034 and freak out at them.
      3. Seriously, don't call 034 and freak out at them.
      4. Reason being, apparently they had a customer a while back (between the original offering of the Mk4 bushings and the new-ish R32/TT bushings) that one of the bushings (upper or lower, couldn't be remembered) was slightly larger than the other. The discrepancy was enough to cause the creation of the separate listing for the bushings, but possibly not large enough to cause fitment issues for people that already have them installed.
      5. There may have been some sort of production split somewhere between some of the Mk4 Rs that caused this anomaly. Whether it be VIN, production month, etc. is unknown at this time. I'm working with them right now, and my mission is to measure the OEM bushings that are in my subframe using my handy dandy titanium micrometer and report back details.
      6. If you have the bushings already installed, you should be fine.
      7. See #2 and #3.

      If it's not too cold out I'll try to get the measurements knocked out this weekend.

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      02-15-2012 04:27 PM #124
      Ok thanks for the update

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      02-15-2012 04:44 PM #125
      Quote Originally Posted by Det. John Kimble View Post
      Ok thanks for the update
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      02-28-2012 04:27 AM #126
      do you guys kknow if this will fit for a mk3 vr6 ? if not where can i find one that will?
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      02-28-2012 04:29 AM #127
      Quote Originally Posted by burntoast9 View Post
      do you guys kknow if this will fit for a mk3 vr6 ? if not where can i find one that will?
      Call 034.
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      I have seen several open slots, usually after tequila. Wait, I think that's different.
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    23. 02-28-2012 05:56 AM #128
      Bipolar weather here lately, I didn't forget about this.

      That, and I'd rather not drop the subframe multiple times if possible. Since I can't reuse the bolts, it adds up quick. Waiting on H2S to get their parts in, and I think I'm going to get the poly steering rack bushings too.

      It's just money, right?

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      02-28-2012 08:23 AM #129
      Quote Originally Posted by MatadoR32 View Post
      Bipolar weather here lately, I didn't forget about this.

      That, and I'd rather not drop the subframe multiple times if possible. Since I can't reuse the bolts, it adds up quick. Waiting on H2S to get their parts in, and I think I'm going to get the poly steering rack bushings too.

      It's just money, right?
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      02-28-2012 08:31 AM #130
      Quote Originally Posted by MatadoR32 View Post
      It's just money, right?
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      02-28-2012 09:09 AM #131
      oerdering the Rack bushing soon and due to not wanting to spend 700 bucks, im thinking of ordering these.
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      How do people like the Defcon 2 kit???? JW or unless it was already touched on, i apologize

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      02-28-2012 09:22 AM #132
      I have been incredibly pleased with the defcon2's
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      02-28-2012 09:36 AM #133
      I too was looking at the defcon kit. What do you like about the defcon 2 kit Mooney? I was thinking about getting defcon 1 or is the defcon 2 kit good enough?

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      02-28-2012 03:38 PM #134
      I installed the Defcon2 kit ~35k miles ago and have been quite pleased overall. I chose it over the Defcon1 kit after reading a lot of threads and reviews at the time about poly bushings being considerably less durable than rubber.

      I have a set of the USRT tubular arms waiting for the time to install them though. Only issue I've had with the Defcon setup is (may have nothing to do with the kit itself) my bushings are in far worse shape in similar miles than the original bushings. And since there is nearly no one near me with any competence working on VWs, replacing bushings in the stock arms was a real hassle and too expensive last time around, especially when including a proper alignment which can be a challenge on it's own. The only shop I found that was willing to install aftermarket parts still had to send out the arms to another machine shop to press the bushings out and in which was just more time and expense.

      I may not be saving any money up front this route but, hopefully the results will be better, more consistent, and more durable long term. Then again, I could be totally wrong.

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      06-10-2012 05:26 PM #135
      Quote Originally Posted by youngm7 View Post
      the holes in my subframe were somewhat larger than the bushings (1/16-1/8", I'd say), which I thought would allow the subframe to shift. I called 034 and was told it is normal and the bushings will not shift when everything is torqued down.
      FWIW, I experienced the same with the subframe on my 2001 GTI. I don't like the excess play, but I'm pretty sure once everything is torqued down, it simply won't be an issue.

      I am contemplating applying some loctite to the bushing and/or subframe in preparation for the install in an effort to minimize the play as much as possible and discourage any corrosion between the aluminum bushing and steel subframe.

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      09-19-2012 12:11 AM #136
      so any reviews ??? i looked all over this thread . . . who has actually put them in and what are the thoughts ??


      Thanks

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      10-27-2012 12:45 PM #137
      Anyone have a long term review of these solid bushings? I'm pulling parts together for a front suspension refresh and am considering these. How have they held up after a couple years of use? Any stretching of the holes in the subframe they fit in to or loosening up at all?

    33. 10-27-2012 02:30 PM #138
      i have had the tyrolsport bushings in for almost 20k miles. better steering feel and no clunks. still love them.

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      10-28-2012 12:30 AM #139
      I've got these and the usrt poly steering rack bushing in my vr wagon and the feel is amazing. Everything is nicely connected.
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      11-29-2013 10:55 PM #140
      I plan on doing these when I get my next suspension refresh done. Going to read around to see if I should go with the smooth 034's or the grated TyrolSport ones.

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