Since I had my TOB replaced it makes more noise in reverse on a decline than before. I suppose the upside is that it's more reproducible should I decide to take it in again.
Ask the technician or foreman who's test driving your car to take it on a hill or incline. Make sure that you sit in the passenger seat. The more 'load' on the transmission the more likelier for the 'chirping/hooing'.
If you have warranty, use it - don't upgrade your clutch with money out of your pocket.
. It is my understanding that LUK is the official manufacturer for the part so you don't have a knock off - however ECS should really not be carrying an older revision.
Without the maddening hhoing, I can now look forward to the S3 IC install this Friday, and maybe I'll tackle the 2010 noisemaker delete the weekend after that.
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I had the original part in the car and didn't have the noise....
Now I have the noise after installing the TRW verion....
The dealership ordered the revised "F" part for me and will install soon....
This will be the 3rd tear down of my clutch (2 at tuning shop / 1 at dealership).
I have a very slight chirp when I start from 1st. It only happens on the first time I pull away, and I can only hear it when the window is down. The car has APR stage 1, and has 26k on it. Clutch is otherwise fine, no slipping. I honestly didn't think much of it. It doesn't seem to affect driveability at all.
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2007 Mazdaspeed 3 (KIA 2-24-11)
2009 Mazdaspeed 3 (KIA 9-19-11)
1) Initially, I brought the car in to address a squeal when I started the car. Many people thought it may be the belts, tensioner or water pump. It turns out my 2011 CCTA MKVI GTI already had the latest revised water pump (latest version includes metal fins instead of plastic fins in the pump). The startup squeal happened to be the starter. They replaced the old starter (part number 02M911023G) with a brand new starter (part number 02M911023GX). Now the car starts up like new, no squeals at all. I forgot how nice it was to hear the engine noise and not a squeal.
2) A few days before my appointment the temperatures dropped below 40 degrees and I experienced the well-known and dreaded "Clutch release noise/chirp/squeak/hooo" noise when engaging the car in 1st gear or reverse. Without a doubt I knew it was my slave cylinder & throw out bearing (TOB). A few months back I installed the latest South Bend Stage 2 Daily Driver Silent Design Clutch Kit and thought I should replace the TOB while the transmission was down. Turns out the TOB that was installed was the older version which came in the 2010 models and was prone to this noise (part number 0A5141671E). For some reason, ECS still to this day sells this outdated part number but under the manufacturer name TRW even though all VW / Audi TOB's are supposedly produced by LUK. I made sure that my VW dealership ordered the latest revised TOB (part number 0A5141671F) to fix this issue. I'm happy to report that even though the temperatures are in the mid 40's today, I have had not one peep from the TOB. I will circle back to confirm 100% as soon as the temperatures drop well below 40 degrees (when I first noticed the issue).
So note to self, avoid installing or replacing your TOB with this ECS part: http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-...tch/ES1831913/
Install or replace your TOB with this ECS / Dealership part: http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-...tch/ES1851810/
All in all I want to let everyone know that all of this work was warrantied and free of charge to the customer. Below is my recent statement of work with "NoCharge" for Total-Customer.
Feel free to use this customer copy to show your dealerships that the work should be warrantied with no cost to you.
Last edited by HYDE16; 11-11-2011 at 04:55 PM.
Charles take my service receipt to your dealer to get the TOB warrantied. If you have a 2010 gti you most likely have the old TOB.
Everyone getting this noise - can you try the following (in a safe open area naturally)?
Passat/CC - with the car stopped. Press the parking brake button and take off your seatbelt. Put the car in first and let off the clutch slowly. Do you hear the scraping/screetching as your car tries to move?
GTI - engage the parking break fully and do the same as above.
I hear of people getting multiple TOBs and Flywheels replaced but still having the chirping/screeching present. Is it possible that it's another component causing the noise? Engine mount?
I'm looking for ideas here as I've done the above steps and I get the screeching/scraping noises.
Tested my 2011 CCTA GTI with the latest (recently installed) "F" version throw out bearing in 1st and reverse, no noise.
Yup, South Bend's latest silent design Stage 2 DD.
I just wanted to circle back since my issue originally started when the November temperatures dropped below 40 degrees. Well this morning was crisp at 35 degrees. I started my car and let it warm up until the RPMs stepped down. I eased out of my driveway in reverse with the least amount of gas -> NO NOISE!
I eased into 1st gear several times over the next 20 minute commute to work -> NO NOISE!
I have no TOB noise anymore after getting this latest version installed.
Keep in mind this is only one day of testing but the conditions were exactly the same as when it first occurred (same drive to work, below 40 degrees, using more clutch than gas to start moving forward).
To all having this problem, there is currently NO fix. It appears to be specific to the CCTA/CBFA engine types with the 6MT transmission. Your dealer (depending on how much they care about after sales service) will either replace your clutch, flywheel & TOB under warranty (to no avail) or threaten you with $100+/hour diagnostic fees.
VW (US/Canada) may not be aware of this, so we have to escalate this issue. Our cars are at the upper echelon in price of their segments and '09-'11 model vehicles should NOT be making any transmission noises period!
Your dealer/technicians/salespeople will try to spin this off as a 'characteristic' but why didn't the '06-'08 models have this 'characteristic'? Furthermore why don't all manual/standard transmission vehicles (VW/non-VW) have this 'characteristic'?
Please contact VW Canada/US as soon as possible. They have your service history based on your VIN.
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Last edited by CobraKing; 12-12-2011 at 11:09 AM.
Think this could have anything to do with the hill hold function and it dragging the brakes? would make sense that it only makes noise upon takeoff from a dead stop. I would think if it was a TOB, that it would make noise just about any time you used the clutch, since it's always putting the same amount of pressure on the TOB, no matter the gear
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That's a possibility, but there are some cars with this issue even after they disable the auto-hold/brake function (aka hill assist).
Keep us posted on what they find or if they fix the noise.
Correct, but more and more we feel it may not be the TOB.
I am done with VW warranty work. It was always a hassle, even for parts that had a TSB. I had to fight to have my intake manifold replaced, and even after 3 different visits at 2 different dealers, they still haven't gotten it right yet. My car will be maintained by myself and my trusted shop from here on out.
so they gave me a call this morning...
they replaced my flywheel. im going tomorrow to pick it up so ill scan the printout for you guys. have to go back in a week or so when they get in the water pump cuz it was back ordered from VW so well c what happens between now and then. (about a week they say).
where the red box is it continues on page 2 to say:
"OK. tech found excessive play in flywheel. replaced flywheel. installed all removed parts. road tested car. the noise is no long there. set clock and one touch windows. performed throttle adaptation.
i havent heard the noise while driving today but i will keep posted on any new or further findings (if any...knocks on wood)
Please keep us posted on your results, seems others have had their flywheel replaced and the noise was not eliminated. Not saying that your repair will not fix it, we're eager to see if this solved the issue for you.