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    Thread: porsche 914 engine swap

    1. Member justing1234's Avatar
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      01-01-2011 09:38 PM #1
      a guy on craigslist has a porsche 914 dual carb 1.8 runs for $200.. i'm considering getting it for my 1972 super beetle .. ive seen swaps before, but i couldent find anything online about how to do it... how do i do it? is there a conversion kit like subaru motors?
      and do i need to cut off my rear apron?

      if this ends up happening, i might turn this into a build thread
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    2. 01-02-2011 12:32 AM #2
      Yes you can do it, go to the type IVrum on shoptalkforums.com you will find everything you need,

      and buy one of these well worth the money! http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/s...cat=249&page=1

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      01-02-2011 12:56 AM #3
      My understanding is that the motors used in standard 914's (Not the 914/6) were, or were related to, Type 4 motors? I don't know much about type 4's at all, as in i think the motors are the same design with larger displacement than like my 1600.

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      01-02-2011 11:01 AM #4
      cooling is gonna be your biggest issue...gotta get the kit from the above post...

      I'm gonna say after a freshen up,clutch,tune up,cooling change over about $750?
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      01-02-2011 01:14 PM #5
      what about a subaru wrx engine? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES2l6nWj_68
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      01-02-2011 08:47 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Daftendirekte View Post
      My understanding is that the motors used in standard 914's (Not the 914/6) were, or were related to, Type 4 motors? I don't know much about type 4's at all, as in i think the motors are the same design with larger displacement than like my 1600.

      How much more is there to this picture?
      The 914 engines were all Type IV engines (except for the 914/6) and came in 1.7, 1.8, and 2.0 liters. The 914s had a Porsche 901 transmission in either 4 or 5 speed but I'm pretty sure that the Type IV engine should bolt right up to the standard Beetle transaxle.

      Check out www.shoptalkforums.com as they have tons of info for Type IV swaps.

      Another big problem with the swap is finding a suitable exhaust systemn because the exhaust ports come out the bottom of the heads instead of the side and the available complete systems are super expensive when compared to other traditional Beetle exhausts.

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      01-03-2011 03:58 AM #7
      Thanks for catching onto what I was getting at. I completely spaced on the 'If it's a VW engine, then it will bolt to a VW transaxle'.

    8. 01-05-2011 02:12 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Daftendirekte View Post
      Thanks for catching onto what I was getting at. I completely spaced on the 'If it's a VW engine, then it will bolt to a VW transaxle'.
      It will bolt up, however its the flywheel thats an issue. A type I flywheel will not bolt to a type IV motor, and the type IV flywheel needs to be machined to except a type I center bearing to fit it a type I tranny.

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      01-06-2011 01:36 PM #9
      Check tunacan as well,

      http://www.tunacan.net/t4/

    10. 01-20-2011 04:15 PM #10
      I did the swap a few years ago. I had a few small problems, but pretty simple to do. You CAN use the 914 fan, but the problem I had was it was too big. I removed the rear aprean and it fit fine. And it cools fine reguardless of what others may say. The engine lasted until I sold it 2 years later. made a few trips 3 hours south just above the Mexican boarder and back with no problems.

      As for the flywheel, I used the flywheel off my old 67 1600cc engine from the Bug.

      The clutch needs to have the ring, as 914 clutches do not have that. I also used the Bug ring to put on the pressure plate. (Was a low ass buget build).

      Exhaust is a different story, you need to get it somewhere. I used just the J pipes from the 914, and they were facing forward lol. No muffler (yes, it shot flames and was scary).

      I had an electric fuel pump and two external oil coolers and not engine lid.

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      01-20-2011 05:24 PM #11
      either way there are gonna be some sacrifices..be it body peices or your wallet to do it the right way...it's one thing to throw something in and make it work and another to fab and make it look like it's supposed to be there.
      my buddy has had his in for over 8 yrs now but he didn't skimp a bit..he even fabbed a complete new rear apron and deck lid section so everything would clear.

      they are a sweet motor ,but ain't cheap to rebuild considering they are the same age as a beetle give or take and they are rare out here in New England for sure!
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      01-20-2011 06:12 PM #12
      this was going to happen, but the seller just stopped responding.. it's happened alot recently...

      ive emailed on like 4 or 5 diffrent things and never got a response this month.. on any of them! and suddenly i just stopped getting emails from posts it was a cheap motor too.. only $200 and it ran with 100 grand on it, which isnt VERY bad but whatever

      i think my email might be broken, but ive been through like 6 or 7 because yahoo kept blocking my emails because i set off spam filters because i email so much.
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      01-20-2011 06:54 PM #13
      happens to me alot too.

      on any given day I'll get a boat load of email on my hot rod and there all dated differently.

      200 is a good deal too...but you can put a nice stocker or even a 1776 in there and never look back either. sure the 1.7 or 1.8 would be cool but the power isn't off the charts..an upgrade for sure but not "write home to mom" kinda thing.
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      01-20-2011 09:18 PM #14
      i'm just going to stick to vw. it would have been a pretty sick thread, too. oh well. i'm pretty sure i'm going to do the 1776 kit, it's the same price as the 1641, so why not get more power for the same amount? (not including case work)
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      01-20-2011 11:39 PM #15
      atta boy!

      got a set of Kadron 40's the other day in trade, if your interested.
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      01-21-2011 12:20 PM #16
      alright, we need to stop with the conversations in threads, before the admins get pissed or something haha.. i'll pm you
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      01-22-2011 12:25 PM #18
      Im glad you backed off the swap too.. The juice isnt worth the squeeze IMHO. Yeah its a novelty but
      besides the cool factor your not making enough from the 914 swap to justify it. I lways laugh when one of my
      non vw buddies or even a stranger see my bug and say "Ive always wanted to swap a 914 engine in
      one of these, I heard it makes them really fast". Then I explain to them that if its power they want a VW motor will makes all they can handle witht he correct application. I originally wanted to shoot for 150whp for my new motor, but have since decided that in order to maintain reliabilty and simplicity 100whp might be better. That still keeps the hp/weight ratio at a ridiculous amount of under 20:1.
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