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    1. 01-02-2011 05:29 PM #1
      So I'm throwing the idea around and more and more it seems like a good idea. The car currently in question is an 87 GTI with a 2l 16v. I have a g60 waiting to be made into a 16vg60, but the idea of putting a b18 or b20 is tempting. The local market is flooded with good honda parts, and for good prices. Just about everything would be fairly easy to make, or make work, but just a couple concerns. I'm sure many have attempted this, but does anyone have any pictures? Particularly of mounts, or axles. Actually, if you have any pictures of odd swaps in Volkswagens, they could be helpful. Please, no hating. I know this is blasphemy, but its my car, and the big picture for me is in the process of making this work. I have another 87 1.8l 16v that will probably just get the supercharger instead. Anyone interested in throwing ideas around and helping out?
      Shags

    2. 01-02-2011 05:58 PM #2
      Already been done, and in a way I would say: me like... (even though it is an japanese engine, but they're build to last...)
      http://vagdrivers.net/forums/index.p...opic=8432&st=0

      happy reading!

    3. 01-02-2011 06:21 PM #3
      That's extremely helpful, thanks! I dabbled in the Honda crowd in the past, and my shining achievement was a 93 Si hatch, with a H23A from the Euro Accord Type R. Very fast, lots of fun. I have owned 9 Civic hatchbacks in total. Something about the hatchback really pulls me in, and I like the european style of my mk2. I'm kinda knowledgable in the Honda game, so wiring for this swap doesn't scare me... Thanks again!

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      01-02-2011 07:33 PM #4
      go for it...im planning a similar swap....i want everyones head on here to spin off their shoulders and blow up...

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      01-02-2011 08:12 PM #5
      first off...don't do it, but if you are...at least put a k series in it. you can get b series power and probably more torque with a 20/20 and very little custom parts.
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      01-02-2011 08:36 PM #7
      just for that im getting a gsr stroker tonight.......

    8. 01-03-2011 12:19 AM #8
      well thats the reason im thinking of doing a b-series, to keep costs down. A h-series tempts me because I know a lot about them, and the cost is extremely low, and it has a cable actuated transmission. but everyone has a b-series, and parts for them...

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      01-03-2011 09:25 AM #9
      if you want to get into a pissing match...i'm not going to do it. i'm going to make my point and that's all. if price is a factor, a 20/20 or something like that is cheap to build and with a few tweaks makes decent power. like more than a stock b16 and about the same as a b18 with more torque. you can rule out the b18c5 because of price. i understand you can build hybrids like ls/vtec and b20vtec but it would still be same price as 20/20 if not more. then you have to factor in all the fab work and all the nickel and dime stuff like custom axles and such. by the time you are done, its not worth it unless having some frankenstien of a car just for the sake of having it is worth the extra cost and effort. if you want a honda because it is cheap to build, then buy a honda car and bolt in the honda motor. if you like vw bodies, then for god sake just build a mild vw motor and enjoy. my head will not explode from a purist standpoint, i just cant justify all the extra work if you aren't really gaining much. then you have to look at maintenance parts. break an axle? well you can't just run to the local parts store and pick one up. its completely custom. if you aren't looking to go all out, there is no point in a honda swap. if you want the car to run mid 13 1/4 mile, handle good, get decent mileage, and be reliable, a mild 20/20 will do that with ease. just my opinion.
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      01-03-2011 09:48 AM #10
      sooo..youre basically telling after sourcing a 20v head and turning into a 20/20 swap ill make power like a stock honda motor???? sounds great...

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      01-05-2011 09:09 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by hyperformancevw View Post
      first off...don't do it, but if you are...at least put a k series in it. you can get b series power and probably more torque with a 20/20 and very little custom parts.


      and you can chill with the "armchair mechanic' stuff...built quite a few things just because i dont post a new thread every time i wax my car doesnt mean i dont know how to build something.

      check the n/a 8v top 1/4 mile list. show me a faster street 8v. still had a lot teft in the setup too never did fine tune it. i just dont get it. i will never have a honda motor in any vw. if i was hell bent on a k20 or b series, i would just buy a honda. yes the k20 is a better engine. so is an gm ls series v8. why not just put an ls1 in it?
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      01-05-2011 10:25 AM #12
      Thanks Fireblade RX7 for all the input so far. The green rabbit that you posted up, or even the white caddy, do you have any other information on those cars? Also, are you regestered on VAGdrivers? I want to ask the guy about the K-swap for pictures of any work he has done recently. His signiture leads me to believe he has it finished.
      No problem, glad I could help. I've only seen pictures of the cars in question and nothing else, unfortunately. This is the only VW site I'm registered on as I don't currently own one, was looking for a Scirocco, but haven't gotten one yet.

      I'm pretty sure that Corrado is running, he has an in car video up of him driving it around.


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      i just dont get it. i will never have a honda motor in any vw. if i was hell bent on a k20 or b series, i would just buy a honda. yes the k20 is a better engine. so is an gm ls series v8. why not just put an ls1 in it?
      Well that's your problem that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Unless you have something constructive to add instead of skewed and biased opinions, I'd suggest that you take that crap somewhere else.

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      01-05-2011 12:58 PM #13
      If you look at the Rabbit It must be right hand drive. Witch would make it easier to swap (imo) but there looks to be no room behind the motor so you would need some sort of aftermarket pedat set up for the b series swap. Cool idea though being an n/a guy myself

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      01-05-2011 01:40 PM #14
      kinda unrelated but still cool





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      01-30-2012 09:18 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by scooter1.8T View Post
      you want a honda get a honda i dont think any dub should have a honda motor in it.
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      01-31-2012 02:30 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by dubinsincuwereindiapers View Post
      The simple fact that you refer to them as "dubs" makes you an asshat
      Like 'Dubin' in your S/N?
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      You could always call your insurance and say that some vandals tried to swap your car to rwd while you weren't looking.

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      02-01-2012 11:36 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by MikkiJayne View Post
      Like 'Dubin' in your S/N?

      Lol...

      I personally think its awesome. Its not my cup of tea but maybe when some of you kids grow up you will realize that there is no point to being so euro-centric.

      Swapping motors between makes has been done for years, what is wrong with creating something better than one manufacturer could have?
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      02-01-2012 12:17 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by g60vwr View Post
      Lol...

      I personally think its awesome. Its not my cup of tea but maybe when some of you kids grow up you will realize that there is no point to being so euro-centric.

      Swapping motors between makes has been done for years, what is wrong with creating something better than one manufacturer could have?
      agreed The swap I'd love to do is Ecotec Turbo into a Mk2 or Mk3....
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      02-29-2012 03:39 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Prof315 View Post
      agreed The swap I'd love to do is Ecotec Turbo into a Mk2 or Mk3....
      Dude...me too. Except mine would be carbed NA .
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      02-01-2012 12:13 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by MikkiJayne View Post
      Like 'Dubin' in your S/N?
      My screen name is meant to be sarcastic. Ive been toying with VW's since 95.





      Quote Originally Posted by g60vwr View Post
      Lol...

      I personally think its awesome. Its not my cup of tea but maybe when some of you kids grow up you will realize that there is no point to being so euro-centric.

      Swapping motors between makes has been done for years, what is wrong with creating something better than one manufacturer could have?
      This

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      02-02-2012 04:52 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by dubinsincuwereindiapers View Post
      My screen name is meant to be sarcastic. Ive been toying with VW's since 95.
      Yeah I'm just teasing Still got you beat by 5 years tho

      Not knocking these swaps at all. I love seeing engines where they shouldn't be Especially if it gets everyone's panties in a bunch. Like, say, a 911 with a VR6
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      Quote Originally Posted by shwak23 View Post
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    22. 02-08-2012 01:20 PM #22
      I have built a few hondas and I would think a k series such as the k24 with itbs would be awesome. Ncm faster then any vw motor with the same displacement and no turbo problems


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      02-11-2012 11:11 PM #23
      I'm not gunna hate on the idea at all but, my 12v mk3 with just chip, and ss kit walked on a k wap first gen civic until he hit vtec in the top of third and pulled by a fender....20mph roller... with that being said they are no doubt a fast and reliable motor it's just w.e. your into... BUT i still do not approve of a cam sliding over at 3k for higher lift.... i cannot grasp how that is good for a motor at all.....buttttt maybe thats y i always see a honda with 100k on it puffing out white smoke cause its rings are shot... there was a guy in the mk3 forum that did a nissan swap i dunno if he ever finished it Do it and bring it to shows.... set a hat out with a pc of paper saying your .02 you make enough to boost it off one show prob gl man def start a build thred id like to see how you go about it

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      02-11-2012 11:15 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by 69stibug View Post
      I have built a few hondas and I would think a k series such as the k24 with itbs would be awesome. Ncm faster then any vw motor with the same displacement and no turbo problems


      It's not how we fall which defines us but how we rise after falling
      negative..... kswaps are weakkkkk big around the local city in my area... (reading pa) and twisted torque ****s weakkk almost all of their cars are swaped with something and my relitivly stock + chip exhaust 12 stays right with their "built" jdm garbage

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      02-29-2012 03:39 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by sweetrocco420 View Post
      negative..... kswaps are weakkkkk big around the local city in my area... (reading pa) and twisted torque ****s weakkk almost all of their cars are swaped with something and my relitivly stock + chip exhaust 12 stays right with their "built" jdm garbage
      Hey, that's great. Your 2.8 6-cylinder can actually keep up with a 2.0 4-cyl!
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