Honda engine into MK2 chassis

[ShaggysGTI]

I had a 93 Civic Si that I put a H22A1 into, blew a rod out the side of the block, then put a H23A bluetop in. Rediculously fast.... The benefits of doing an h-series would be the better pricing on engines and trans, an easier shift-cable setup, and the base of a large engine. The drawback is that the engine has FRP sleeves, there in making boost nearly a no go. The electronics situation doesn't change, though. Well other than the fact of wiring in another actuator, the secondary butterflies.

[TDiPusher19t]

when you remove the butterflies and port that whole area out you pick some good power

[ShaggysGTI]

At the loss of low end power. I did quite a few runs with different manifold setups on that car, and the best just seemed to be retaining the stock functionality. I tried ported, with butterflies, without, always open, always closed. But having them open up with vtec gave a great low grunt with a lot of high pull. If I were to get rid of them, I would just go with a custom/aftermarket manifold. Actually talking about makes me want another big block

[ShaggysGTI]

i like to troll on honda-tech every once in a while in their welding/fabrication forum, and found this gold!

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2809356

[Conejo Negro]

So run the DA Teg bearing/hub in the mk2 carrier and you can run honda inner and outer CV joints


I wonder what the length difference is ? Whats a good place to order custom length honda axles?

[ShaggysGTI]

what i remember from my swap, is the older the integra axle you use, the shorter they get. so a normal height swap would use the 94-97 axles, slightly lowered used 90-93 axles, and slammed swaps used 87-89 axles. i assume the same would come into play here. but do you think that changes anything about the brake setup? wouldn't it at least change the fact that you now need lug nuts instead of studs?

[dubinsincuwereindiapers]

hate to admit it, but I love the idea of this.. The best of everything really

[bantan45]

hi guys i love the whole dub meet honda thing, this is wat am talking about am ging down this route my self,i am guna fit a b16 or a b18 into a polo 6n

but i have found a few pics to help for those who are going in on it.







i also have a k20 fitting guide in a caddy witch i will find soon

[noface]

cool beans...I havent seen one in person yet.....i think it would be no diff than any other swap...thats what being car guys about....this is the chevy, ford of the euro scene....thers a local guy here he spent a lil over 2 grand in his aba 16v na...putting 240 whp all motor....mild cams...pistons ...rods and head work....he drives it everyday...pretty reliable..........alot honda here in va..... alot of them making power na and supercharged....... good luck on the build...this is the hybrid thread.....

[empirerider]

hi guys i love the whole dub meet honda thing, this is wat am talking about am ging down this route my self,i am guna fit a b16 or a b18 into a polo 6n

but i have found a few pics to help for those who are going in on it.







i also have a k20 fitting guide in a caddy witch i will find soon

I'm just curios to know if these motors bolt on?? Thats what it looks like to me.

[bantan45]

lol, it really does look like they fit in rite at home,
but here we go to help a litte more for those who are intressted in building honda engine dubs

well first you will need some plates to sit on the chassis rails













and that is prittey much it for fitting a k20 in your caddy,but its just like that if your fitting it in any other vw,

[ShaggysGTI]

I was awfully curious about the rear mount.... Thanks!

[empirerider]

lol, it really does look like they fit in rite at home,
but here we go to help a litte more for those who are intressted in building honda engine dubs

well first you will need some plates to sit on the chassis rails

and that is prittey much it for fitting a k20 in your caddy,but its just like that if your fitting it in any other vw,

Thats some clean work.

[Cynical 1]

i know it's an older thread, but i'm going to bump it for more info and discussion.

[TDiPusher19t]

im about to start one pretty soon..ill be sure to make a build thread

[dixongli]

Would like to see more life in this. I might try this soon.

[scooter1.8T]

you want a honda get a honda i dont think any dub should have a honda motor in it.

[dubinsincuwereindiapers]

you want a honda get a honda i dont think any dub should have a honda motor in it.

Don't get your skinny jeans in a bunch The simple fact that you refer to them as "dubs" makes you an asshat

[MikkiJayne]

The simple fact that you refer to them as "dubs" makes you an asshat

Like 'Dubin' in your S/N?

[g60vwr]

Like 'Dubin' in your S/N?

Lol...

I personally think its awesome. Its not my cup of tea but maybe when some of you kids grow up you will realize that there is no point to being so euro-centric.

Swapping motors between makes has been done for years, what is wrong with creating something better than one manufacturer could have?

[dubinsincuwereindiapers]

Like 'Dubin' in your S/N?

My screen name is meant to be sarcastic. Ive been toying with VW's since 95.

Lol...

I personally think its awesome. Its not my cup of tea but maybe when some of you kids grow up you will realize that there is no point to being so euro-centric.

Swapping motors between makes has been done for years, what is wrong with creating something better than one manufacturer could have?

This

[Prof315]

Lol...

I personally think its awesome. Its not my cup of tea but maybe when some of you kids grow up you will realize that there is no point to being so euro-centric.

Swapping motors between makes has been done for years, what is wrong with creating something better than one manufacturer could have?

agreed The swap I'd love to do is Ecotec Turbo into a Mk2 or Mk3....

[MikkiJayne]

My screen name is meant to be sarcastic. Ive been toying with VW's since 95.

Yeah I'm just teasing Still got you beat by 5 years tho

Not knocking these swaps at all. I love seeing engines where they shouldn't be Especially if it gets everyone's panties in a bunch. Like, say, a 911 with a VR6

[69stibug]

I have built a few hondas and I would think a k series such as the k24 with itbs would be awesome. Ncm faster then any vw motor with the same displacement and no turbo problems


It's not how we fall which defines us but how we rise after falling

[CasuallyWreckless]

I'm not gunna hate on the idea at all but, my 12v mk3 with just chip, and ss kit walked on a k wap first gen civic until he hit vtec in the top of third and pulled by a fender....20mph roller... with that being said they are no doubt a fast and reliable motor it's just w.e. your into... BUT i still do not approve of a cam sliding over at 3k for higher lift.... i cannot grasp how that is good for a motor at all.....buttttt maybe thats y i always see a honda with 100k on it puffing out white smoke cause its rings are shot... there was a guy in the mk3 forum that did a nissan swap i dunno if he ever finished it Do it and bring it to shows.... set a hat out with a pc of paper saying your .02 you make enough to boost it off one show prob gl man def start a build thred id like to see how you go about it

[CasuallyWreckless]

I have built a few hondas and I would think a k series such as the k24 with itbs would be awesome. Ncm faster then any vw motor with the same displacement and no turbo problems


It's not how we fall which defines us but how we rise after falling

negative..... kswaps are weakkkkk big around the local city in my area... (reading pa) and twisted torque ****s weakkk almost all of their cars are swaped with something and my relitivly stock + chip exhaust 12 stays right with their "built" jdm garbage

[insanedubposse]

Lol I had a similar thought.but I wanted to do a vr6 in a crx.then I saw pics of someone who did it .scraped the idea


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[HagbardCeline]

My Jetta has been sitting in the garage for over a year now due to Digi2 burnout. I am SERIOUSLY considering this swap, since VW parts and knowledge are slightly slim in my area, and the same cannot be said for the H word.
The fab and fitting seems well within my scope of capabilities, but does anyone have any definitive info regarding the wiring particulars involved? i.e what to keep from the stock harness, what is unnecessary, what electrical components are required from the Honda, instrument cluster details, etc.

any info or insight is appreciated!

[B4S]

negative..... kswaps are weakkkkk big around the local city in my area... (reading pa) and twisted torque ****s weakkk almost all of their cars are swaped with something and my relitivly stock + chip exhaust 12 stays right with their "built" jdm garbage

Hey, that's great. Your 2.8 6-cylinder can actually keep up with a 2.0 4-cyl!

[B4S]

agreed The swap I'd love to do is Ecotec Turbo into a Mk2 or Mk3....

Dude...me too. Except mine would be carbed NA .

[91golfKB]

Anyone else notice the playboys lol.

[VR6DPLMT.]

Wow this is awesome. I want to read more about this project. Clubrsx.com has some good info too.

[vento86]

Vr swap.. Bolts in, same power and it sounds way better I ran high 12s with my old setup. On a tire

[K.M.A.S.W.]

sooo..youre basically telling after sourcing a 20v head and turning into a 20/20 swap ill make power like a stock honda motor???? sounds great...

WRONG what hes saying is by spending 100 for a 2l motor(did it today) and spending 600 for an AEB motor(did it today so eat me) and you put them together( with these 2 engine you have everything needed to create a 20/20(did it today so eat me). change the turbo to FWD turbo and mk4 exhaust mani and intake mani for less than 200 (lets keep count, thats 900), buy a g60 tranny for 250 shipped (did this a couple months ago so eat me) and misc other factory vw pieces (did this recently) you will have a motor that will put out MORE hp than the baddest stock b-series motor money can buy, AND twice the torque. all for about the same price or less than a b-series motor and i dare you to challenge me to provide proof....ill have you looking at 1xxhp b18c5's and 2xx+hp 1.8t's...not even 20/20's

but i would rather have something that bolts in with factory parts for ease of install and maintenance.

hondas dont break remember? who ever thinks about replacing honda parts hahaha hondas the unbreakable entity

ok guy.....we have people like you on here all the time hyping up these dumb ass vw motors...they arent as efficient as any honda b series....b16 still makes more power per liter than any motor vw makes....listen to what you are saying i have to build a hybrid just to make a negligible amount of torque over a stock honda motor... to u....there is also a stock b16 that makes 185hp(ctr) so what then..do i need nitrous on my 16v to make up the difference? seriously think about what you are saying....as a matter of fact actually build something....because ive built a bunch vw motors and they tend to not want to break 160 without some ridiculous amount of work done...ppl on here have a hard time making close to 200whp in their n/a vr6 builds ...my brother threw together an ls/vtech stroker and made 198whp....all stock parts...ive seen so many build threads on here with ppl trying to figure out how to make less than that with a lot more work....im vw lover through and through but im not blind to facts...vw does not make heads that flow better than honda heads im not including d series heads...vw motors only really seem to come alive on some kind of forced induction (excluding race motors) other than those it seems you pour money in for a mediocre result...trust me ive worked on just about every vw....i have the resources and skills to swap any motor into any car i want...so that maybe what makes honda swaps more enticing to me...who knows...but hey u keep dumping money into n/a vws...and ill keep building cool sh!t : ill post pics when i start my swap.

watch your mouth..VWAG is a huge auto group and make better engines than honda could ever dream of making. you can frind proof when you have enough money to afford one of these various high performance vehicle that VWAG manufactures. Lambo's, RS6's, Bugattis, just to name a few...fiind me a honda motor (ANY HONDA MADE MOTOR) that can put out as much hp on factory equipment as say aaaaaa...... rs6 v8TT..lol..cant find one? better start looking in the F1 section of honda production plants hahahahha..and even there, with a simple tune, exhaust and an intake, the v8TT reigns supreme over honda F1 motors...and lets not forget to again mention, rs6 has all factory equipment lol. VWAG is an engineering marvel that honda can only dream to be like. seriously theres no end to the ways that VW ENGINES, and itself as a company, stand head and shoulders over honda.... **** 100hp/liter, if i want that ill go to BMW! vw is smart and uses these lil tiny turbos to help create power. the end all be all, you do this swap and ill still beat you for less money, and time put into my swap!

. yes the k20 is a better engine. so is an gm ls series v8. why not just put an ls1 in it?

couldnt have said it better myself! hahaha. **** it..just put an s85 motor into it..thats a waaaaaaay better engine than a k20 haha.

[K.M.A.S.W.]

and i dare you to do it and race me lol