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    1. Member penuts's Avatar
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      01-05-2011 12:41 AM #26
      This is what hot roding is all about. Using what you got and making it work. Fcuk it Vw motors suck in stock forum and we all know it. Do what you want to do. Its your car and fcuk the haters that will be in the dust cloud behind you. hahahah

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      01-05-2011 07:31 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by ShaggysGTI View Post
      Last time I came across a 16v in the junkyard was quite some time and it was slim pickin's for anything on it. And then that makes the transmission a rarity, too. Anyways, I like this, and I may actually try to see this through, I'm fairly confident I could realistically do this for under a grand. That does involve trading parts and services, but it could be a reality in the near future. Thanks Fireblade RX7 for all the input so far. The green rabbit that you posted up, or even the white caddy, do you have any other information on those cars? Also, are you regestered on VAGdrivers? I want to ask the guy about the K-swap for pictures of any work he has done recently. His signiture leads me to believe he has it finished.
      the k20 swap caddy had part of his build thread posted in the hybrid forum a while ago. It may be some what difficult to find it again. The rabbit post came even earlier than the caddy. I do remember the motor being a b16. The motor im going to try use is a high compression ls/vtech stroker motor mated with a gsr head. Courtesy of my honda savy brother . you can do some searching and see if you can find a good vtech for that b20 block.

      As for the gauge cluster you might be able to use a mk3 cluster or simply use autometers. By using the autometer setup you are able to standardize all the wiring without any strange conversion. I do believe the honda speed output from the transmission is electrical so it will make using the autometers pretty easy.

      For actuating your clutch i would use a hydraulic setup and skip all the cable nonsense. Thats just a possible annoyance. I would opt either to use a vw clutch master cylinder with a custom line to the honda slave cylinder, or an aftermarket clutch pedal assembly like a tilton or wilwood. If you cant i guess the crx cable can do the trick.

      When you decide to wire this in it would be a good idea to leave all the stock vw body harness in, and simply remove the engine harness a fit it with megasquirt. To engage the vtech solenoid you could use one the outputs for nitrous or meth injection since you are able to activate them based off rpm.

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      01-05-2011 09:09 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by hyperformancevw View Post
      first off...don't do it, but if you are...at least put a k series in it. you can get b series power and probably more torque with a 20/20 and very little custom parts.


      and you can chill with the "armchair mechanic' stuff...built quite a few things just because i dont post a new thread every time i wax my car doesnt mean i dont know how to build something.

      check the n/a 8v top 1/4 mile list. show me a faster street 8v. still had a lot teft in the setup too never did fine tune it. i just dont get it. i will never have a honda motor in any vw. if i was hell bent on a k20 or b series, i would just buy a honda. yes the k20 is a better engine. so is an gm ls series v8. why not just put an ls1 in it?
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      01-05-2011 10:25 AM #29
      Thanks Fireblade RX7 for all the input so far. The green rabbit that you posted up, or even the white caddy, do you have any other information on those cars? Also, are you regestered on VAGdrivers? I want to ask the guy about the K-swap for pictures of any work he has done recently. His signiture leads me to believe he has it finished.
      No problem, glad I could help. I've only seen pictures of the cars in question and nothing else, unfortunately. This is the only VW site I'm registered on as I don't currently own one, was looking for a Scirocco, but haven't gotten one yet.

      I'm pretty sure that Corrado is running, he has an in car video up of him driving it around.


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      i just dont get it. i will never have a honda motor in any vw. if i was hell bent on a k20 or b series, i would just buy a honda. yes the k20 is a better engine. so is an gm ls series v8. why not just put an ls1 in it?
      Well that's your problem that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Unless you have something constructive to add instead of skewed and biased opinions, I'd suggest that you take that crap somewhere else.

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      01-05-2011 12:58 PM #30
      If you look at the Rabbit It must be right hand drive. Witch would make it easier to swap (imo) but there looks to be no room behind the motor so you would need some sort of aftermarket pedat set up for the b series swap. Cool idea though being an n/a guy myself

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      01-05-2011 01:40 PM #31
      kinda unrelated but still cool





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      01-06-2011 01:42 PM #33
      i dont like the idea of honda in vw but honda engines are sick crazy rpms heads flow like crazy i say gsr+turbo or nast k20na either one would be fun in a mk2. I love vws but hondas have the better heads+vtec. vtec just kicked in yo

    9. 01-07-2011 07:16 PM #34
      Well so far, and bear in mind this is just thoughts, it seems a B20 and LS trans are in order, due to price and availability.

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      01-08-2011 02:50 PM #35
      a b20 should be fine...try find a vtech head...the one on the b20 isnt so great...and the ls transmission has pretty tall gearing..im not sure what your plan is for the car though....i did however have the luxury of driving a car with a type r transmission and it is wonderful...always in your power and it has an lsd...a gsr or si transmission would do also.....another swap to look at is the h22. the price of the full swap is not too expensive....check ebay

    11. 01-12-2011 06:51 PM #36
      I had a 93 Civic Si that I put a H22A1 into, blew a rod out the side of the block, then put a H23A bluetop in. Rediculously fast.... The benefits of doing an h-series would be the better pricing on engines and trans, an easier shift-cable setup, and the base of a large engine. The drawback is that the engine has FRP sleeves, there in making boost nearly a no go. The electronics situation doesn't change, though. Well other than the fact of wiring in another actuator, the secondary butterflies.

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      01-13-2011 12:38 PM #37
      when you remove the butterflies and port that whole area out you pick some good power

    13. 01-14-2011 10:26 PM #38
      At the loss of low end power. I did quite a few runs with different manifold setups on that car, and the best just seemed to be retaining the stock functionality. I tried ported, with butterflies, without, always open, always closed. But having them open up with vtec gave a great low grunt with a lot of high pull. If I were to get rid of them, I would just go with a custom/aftermarket manifold. Actually talking about makes me want another big block

    14. 01-15-2011 02:16 AM #39
      i like to troll on honda-tech every once in a while in their welding/fabrication forum, and found this gold!

      http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2809356

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      01-15-2011 04:25 AM #40
      So run the DA Teg bearing/hub in the mk2 carrier and you can run honda inner and outer CV joints


      I wonder what the length difference is ? Whats a good place to order custom length honda axles?

    16. 01-15-2011 05:23 PM #41
      what i remember from my swap, is the older the integra axle you use, the shorter they get. so a normal height swap would use the 94-97 axles, slightly lowered used 90-93 axles, and slammed swaps used 87-89 axles. i assume the same would come into play here. but do you think that changes anything about the brake setup? wouldn't it at least change the fact that you now need lug nuts instead of studs?

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      01-18-2011 10:06 PM #42
      hate to admit it, but I love the idea of this.. The best of everything really

    18. 01-19-2011 05:41 PM #43
      hi guys i love the whole dub meet honda thing, this is wat am talking about am ging down this route my self,i am guna fit a b16 or a b18 into a polo 6n

      but i have found a few pics to help for those who are going in on it.







      i also have a k20 fitting guide in a caddy witch i will find soon

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      01-21-2011 09:18 AM #44
      cool beans...I havent seen one in person yet.....i think it would be no diff than any other swap...thats what being car guys about....this is the chevy, ford of the euro scene....thers a local guy here he spent a lil over 2 grand in his aba 16v na...putting 240 whp all motor....mild cams...pistons ...rods and head work....he drives it everyday...pretty reliable..........alot honda here in va..... alot of them making power na and supercharged....... good luck on the build...this is the hybrid thread.....

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      01-22-2011 06:25 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by bantan45 View Post
      hi guys i love the whole dub meet honda thing, this is wat am talking about am ging down this route my self,i am guna fit a b16 or a b18 into a polo 6n

      but i have found a few pics to help for those who are going in on it.







      i also have a k20 fitting guide in a caddy witch i will find soon
      I'm just curios to know if these motors bolt on?? Thats what it looks like to me.
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    21. 01-23-2011 05:17 AM #46
      lol, it really does look like they fit in rite at home,
      but here we go to help a litte more for those who are intressted in building honda engine dubs

      well first you will need some plates to sit on the chassis rails













      and that is prittey much it for fitting a k20 in your caddy,but its just like that if your fitting it in any other vw,

    22. 01-23-2011 07:54 AM #47
      I was awfully curious about the rear mount.... Thanks!

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      01-23-2011 11:10 AM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by bantan45 View Post
      lol, it really does look like they fit in rite at home,
      but here we go to help a litte more for those who are intressted in building honda engine dubs

      well first you will need some plates to sit on the chassis rails

      and that is prittey much it for fitting a k20 in your caddy,but its just like that if your fitting it in any other vw,
      Thats some clean work.
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      08-23-2011 07:24 PM #49
      i know it's an older thread, but i'm going to bump it for more info and discussion.

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      08-23-2011 08:10 PM #50
      im about to start one pretty soon..ill be sure to make a build thread

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