Who Installed Non-OEM Intake for TTS?

[LongviewTx]

I see on UK TT forum a Gruppe M carbon fiber intake and that Neuspeed has a P-flo for the TTS (less stylish design) but, what other options are available for the TTS in the USofA? Is Carbonio planning an intake for the TTS? Anyone have other advice?

[TheSandeman]

I see on UK TT forum a Gruppe M carbon fiber intake and that Neuspeed has a P-flo for the TTS (less stylish design) but, what other options are available for the TTS in the USofA? Is Carbonio planning an intake for the TTS? Anyone have other advice?

i wish we had the option of the carbon fiber intake, unfortunately GruppeM's $900 CF intake is our only choice. i say our bc 3.2 and TTS share intake designs. theres a vtda intake, evoms and vf engineering. i would check iModTTS's build thread as he has a great write up in regards to sheild and intake install

[TheSandeman]

i wish we had the option of the carbon fiber intake, unfortunately GruppeM's $900 CF intake is our only choice. i say our bc 3.2 and TTS share intake designs. theres a vtda intake, evoms and vf engineering. i would check iModTTS's build thread as he has a great write up in regards to sheild and intake install

forgot, im going to experiment with the 2.0T intake from carbonio, Raceland has their version, its more or less the exact replica minus the real CF, for $100 new, hopefully a cheap used one comes up and itll fit with minimal or no trimming... ill keep you updated

[iMod.:R]

Hey LVT, I am now using the EVOMS V-Flow intake as is Alva. I go over that and 3 other new products in Webisode 9 which will be up with in the month as I got to get through the last 4 of these webisodes that should have been done in December!

[LongviewTx]

For the "anxious to make a selection people" (me), do you have a pic (no need for a video) and is the product commercially available?

[sr_erick]

I'm sure you've all see this one before.

[NeverOEM]

one of these days Bruce, I'm going to have to trek on over to Longview so we can take some shots

[LongviewTx]

one of these days Bruce, I'm going to have to trek on over to Longview so we can take some shots

Or possibly at Helen at the Southern Worthersee "function".

[LongviewTx]

I'm sure you've all see this one before.

Actually I had missed it or forgotten that both you and Jason used this item. Good look, very nice. Would you recommend this as an improvement over stock with the APR Stage 1 reflash. In other words, with my reflash (all ready performed), will I really enhance performance?

Do you have any preceived draw backs to use of an straight filter design?

Thanks for your input.

[iMod.:R]

Actually I had missed it or forgotten that both you and Jason used this item. Good look, very nice. Would you recommend this as an improvement over stock with the APR Stage 1 reflash. In other words, with my reflash (all ready performed), will I really enhance performance?

Do you have any preceived draw backs to use of an straight filter design?

Thanks for your input.

@Erick: it looks good man I don't think I ever saw this pic.

@ LVT: The AEM intake is from an A3 that I had to modify using the intercooler hoses from a Semi truck. So its a very good intake, but it isn't plug and play. The EVOMS that myself and Alva are running is the same kit as for the 3.2 TT/R32 and I don't have an installed pic, but below is what it all looked like before it went in. Install was roughly an hour and most of that was disassembling the OEM airbox and its related fittings.


BTW, this is the silk Persian rug that my car bought for itself online. It has hairdressers taste in decor.

[LongviewTx]

BTW, this is the silk Persian rug that my car bought for itself online. It has hairdressers taste in decor.

I assume that the rug normal resides on the garage floor where she sleeps, no?

Thhanks for the further input on intakes. You have helped me to make the decision. I believe that I'll go with the Neuspeed product due to completeness of design for specific installation the the TTS. I'll post some pics following it's addition.

Regards to all.

[qtroCUB]

Here is an install write up...
http://forums.quattroworld.com/tt2/msgs/8738.phtml

[LongviewTx]

Wow, that looks very nice. Complete surronding of heat deflection. Blue accent looks great too.

[Forge US]

We are hoping to develop something soon! Stay tuned!

[DrDomm]

What's the benefit to these intakes? Sound? Performance?...any proof?

[NeverOEM]

airflow; more air = more powah

[LongviewTx]

Manufacturers tend to claim anywhere from 5 to 15 HP gains in the higher RPM ranges (exceeding 3000 RPM or so). Claims are for sure proportinate to manufacture's scruples.

[kendoist4162]

And, yes, I know the MAF should be turned 90 deg right....

[robokn]

I have the EVOMS CAI and have had it on the car for about two years awesome piece of kit
and the sound coupled with the mighty V6 makes for a very nice sounding TT

[DrDomm]

airflow; more air = more powah

True, but that implies that the stock setup is significantly more restrictive. Maybe it is. I don't know.

Also, I think these are more effective on normally aspirated engines, like yours.

Still, if it's easy to install, isn't too expensive, and has any performance advantage or sounds better, I might try it.

[Stevelev]

Not sure about the TTS but its been proven that the OEM intake is more than adequate on other Audis and aftermarket provided no performance improvement. Had a Carbonio on my S4 (installed by previous owner) and the only benefit it provided me was $250. in my jeans after selling it and swapping back to an OEM

[kendoist4162]

Not sure about the TTS but its been proven that the OEM intake is more than adequate on other Audis and aftermarket provided no performance improvement. Had a Carbonio on my S4 (installed by previous owner) and the only benefit it provided me was $250. in my jeans after selling it and swapping back to an OEM

Not to be too contrarian, but having taken my OEM intake out, I am pretty confident in saying it is restrictive. The "entry" box is attached directly to the front grill limiting the entry of air. By removing just that, air volume is increased. More, and thus cooler, air is never a bad thing for an engine whether normally aspirated or not. Just by looking at the OEM intake anyone can see that here are multiple, unneeded kinks in the flow path. Switching to an aftermarket intake is a no brainer in IMHO. ( jus' sayin'...

[Forge US]

Manufacturers tend to claim anywhere from 5 to 15 HP gains in the higher RPM ranges (exceeding 3000 RPM or so). Claims are for sure proportinate to manufacture's scruples.

Not sure about the TTS but its been proven that the OEM intake is more than adequate on other Audis and aftermarket provided no performance improvement. Had a Carbonio on my S4 (installed by previous owner) and the only benefit it provided me was $250. in my jeans after selling it and swapping back to an OEM

This simply isn't true.

On a bone stock engine with stock ECU programming, there are often virtually no measurable gains from an intake. The airflow demand of the engine and it's tuning is probably not exceeding the ability of the stock airbox and filter to supply adequate airflow.

Once you chip the car, however, and in some cases are making nearly if not double the stock boost pressure output, and start adding other modifications that increase the airflow demands of the engine, you will need an intake that can support more airflow, plain and simple. The stock intake a paper element filter are designed to suit a stock engine. They will absolutely become a bottleneck once you start undertaking tuning modifications.

[Stevelev]

Not to be too contrarian, but having taken my OEM intake out, I am pretty confident in saying it is restrictive. The "entry" box is attached directly to the front grill limiting the entry of air. By removing just that, air volume is increased. More, and thus cooler, air is never a bad thing for an engine whether normally aspirated or not. Just by looking at the OEM intake anyone can see that here are multiple, unneeded kinks in the flow path. Switching to an aftermarket intake is a no brainer in IMHO. ( jus' sayin'...

... Once you chip the car, however, and in some cases are making nearly if not double the stock boost pressure output, and start adding other modifications that increase the airflow demands of the engine, you will need an intake that can support more airflow, plain and simple. The stock intake a paper element filter are designed to suit a stock engine. They will absolutely become a bottleneck once you start undertaking tuning modifications.

Looks like I need to add another mod to the wish list ...

[LongviewTx]

What about my part of the post is "simply not true"?

I have seen on numerous sites claims in this range (i.e 5 - 15 HP Inc). So I repeated what I have seen as the claimed benefit. I also stated that these gains are typically above a certain threshold where air flow restriction from a stock intake does become limiting.

I, as a consumer, would love to see a baseline dyno pull, then one with only the intake as a variable (if chipped then it's inclusive of each pull). That would be a great selling point allowing the potential customer to have confidence that the expenditure would be worthwhile.

I rarely have see dyno data to support HP claims. BUT, I have also always belived that some gain (5-8 HP) was probably legitamite. I'm just say'n. Com'on Man!

[TheSandeman]

What about my part of the post is "simply not true"?



I have seen on numerous sites claims in this range (i.e 5 - 15 HP Inc). So I repeated what I have seen as the claimed benefit. I also stated that these gains are typically above a certain threshold where air flow restriction from a stock intake does become limiting.



I, as a consumer, would love to see a baseline dyno pull, then one with only the intake as a variable (if chipped then it's inclusive of each pull). That would be a great selling point allowing the potential customer to have confidence that the expenditure would be worthwhile.



I rarely have see dyno data to support HP claims. BUT, I have also always belived that some gain (5-8 HP) was probably legitamite. I'm just say'n. Com'on Man!

There are dyno sheets out there reflecting the gains of the intakes from each manufacturer, APR being the first one that comes to mind. obviously they aren't independent/third party dynos and are numbers from the crank, making them less convincing from a consumer point of view.

S4 owners, time after time, claim that the stock intakes are a great design from factory meaning that the aftermarket options don't provided added benefits over the stock. Eventhough there are tons that claim this, for some reason I can't completely agree with them as I don't think companies would risk damaging their reputations in a multi-billion dollar industry with a unproven product. But then the PES Supercharger, or should I say POS LOL, is out there, I don't want to get started on that.

[LongviewTx]

Would you please post the Neuspeed P-flo for the TTS. I can't find it on their website. They say 5-8 HP gain, but I'd like to see the dyno. Thanks.

[Forge US]

What about my part of the post is "simply not true"?

I have seen on numerous sites claims in this range (i.e 5 - 15 HP Inc). So I repeated what I have seen as the claimed benefit. I also stated that these gains are typically above a certain threshold where air flow restriction from a stock intake does become limiting.

I, as a consumer, would love to see a baseline dyno pull, then one with only the intake as a variable (if chipped then it's inclusive of each pull). That would be a great selling point allowing the potential customer to have confidence that the expenditure would be worthwhile.

I rarely have see dyno data to support HP claims. BUT, I have also always belived that some gain (5-8 HP) was probably legitamite. I'm just say'n. Com'on Man!

You said that claims are proportionate to manufacturers scruples, clearly implying that you think hp claims from intakes are falsified in order to aggrandance the perception of the product in question. I have completely unaltered dyno data suggesting otherwise, albeit not from a TT-S specifically just yet, but from a similar application, which disproves your theory about the scruples of those who produce products for these cars. I can't speak for other manufacturers, but in defense of ourselves, we have never made up hp figures that we quote for any product.

This dyno chart is from a Stage 2+ Audi A3 FSI, with a high pressure fuel pump upgrade as well as an upgraded wastegate producing 25 PSI on a K03 turbo.

Dyno tests were conducted back to back on the same car on the same day, with the only changes being swapping out the stock airbox, and two different versions of intakes we offer.

The dip in power and torque between 3500 and 4000 rpm was from resetting the adaptation of the ECU between each run. The curve smoothed out after the car had time to adapt.

[kendoist4162]

So, basically, everything I have been feeling in my hands, feet and butt when I drive after flipping my intake can be seen in numbers.... ( difference in car and engine in my mind is moot)

[DrDomm]

The dip in power and torque between 3500 and 4000 rpm was from resetting the adaptation of the ECU between each run. The curve smoothed out after the car had time to adapt.

Not to be an ass, but why didn't you post the "smoothed out" curve?

Otherwise, pretty impressive. Can't wait to see your TTS product.

[Forge US]

Not to be an ass, but why didn't you post the "smoothed out" curve?

Otherwise, pretty impressive. Can't wait to see your TTS product.

Because the dyno reflecting the smoothed curve was done at a later date and would only show one of the intakes rather than all 3, so it would not be representative of the purpose of the test. We also felt that this graph was a better indicator of the actual results of the hardware changes alone, without the influence of other variables that different users may see in different parts of the country like different ambient temps, different octane fuels, and other things which would result in unique ECU adaptation for each car.

It is also not a pretty graph, and actually does show losses in certain areas, which can indeed be explained by variables not directly related to the hardware, but which we did not alter nor hide for the sake of marketing.

[LongviewTx]

You said that claims are proportionate to manufacturers scruples, clearly implying that you think hp claims from intakes are falsified in order to aggrandance the perception of the product in question.

I appologize. Howver, I think you missed the wink emotioncon implying a wee bit of humor/sarcasim. The wee bit of a joke was that scruples and HP claims are proportinate. It was humor man. Nobody ever apprciates my jokes.

Heck, I started the thread because I am looking to buy this product for my car now. If I thought they were bogus I would not even be looking. I had one on my '04 R32 and '00 GTI VR6.

Lastly, I will now forgo purchaing the Neuspeed product until such time as your company's CAI is available. It's the only way I will be able to make it up to you. But, don't take too long, I am anxious for more HP/Torque.

[Forge US]

I appologize. Howver, I think you missed the wink emotioncon implying a wee bit of humor/sarcasim. The wee bit of a joke was that scruples and HP claims are proportinate. It was humor man. Nobody ever apprciates my jokes.

Heck, I started the thread because I am looking to buy this product for my car now. If I thought they were bogus I would not even be looking. I had one on my '04 R32 and '00 GTI VR6.

Lastly, I will now forgo purchaing the Neuspeed product until such time as your company's CAI is available. It's the only way I will be able to make it up to you. But, don't take too long, I am anxious for more HP/Torque.

I definitely took note of the implied sarcasm, and what you said is definitely true in some instances, so in my response, I only meant to clarify that it's not always the case. Sorry for seeming to single you out.

We're hoping to get our own TT-S here soon, so the intake development should start shortly thereafter.

[octalon7]

I definitely took note of the implied sarcasm, and what you said is definitely true in some instances, so in my response, I only meant to clarify that it's not always the case. Sorry for seeming to single you out.

We're hoping to get our own TT-S here soon, so the intake development should start shortly thereafter.

Hate to resuface an old thread, but Mike, did you all ever develop the TTS intake? Don't see anything on the Forge website.

[Jman5000]

Hate to resuface an old thread, but Mike, did you all ever develop the TTS intake? Don't see anything on the Forge website.

I spoke to someone at the Forge tent at SoWo. Maybe mike. Word was a prototype tt/s-line/s intake was being test fitted to a car at SoWo with a goal for a waterfest rollout. ...and to check in around waterfest show time to possibly get a look/buy one. A single large element was the design v something like their twin take setup