CEL Intake Manifold Flap Position Sensor

[MMMH2O]

At 82,000

[camarkim]

Was coming back from Vegas today, MIL goes on. When I threw the Vag Com on the car (it's at about 26,700ish miles) I saw the following:

1 Fault Found:
008213 - Intake Manifold Flap Position Sensor (Bank 1): Implausible Signal
P2015 - 000 - - - Intermittent - MIL ON

I checked VW Vortex and saw that I went through this last time at 7900 miles. This is getting scary. Luckily, still under warranty. Can't wait to see what the dealership says since they already supposedly replaced the intake manifold with the updated part last time.

Stay tuned, friends...

[Chutem16V]

I have a 2010 Passat with the 2.0 motor & the DSG. My car has always (since new) been very grabby & lurched at lower speeds - very annoying at low speeds. I had it to the the dealer many times ( the service manager actually drove the car himself for a few days). I really thought it was the DSG or the mechatronics unit. I learned to live with it, but did not always feel the love for the car. At 45k, a coil pack went & they replaced it N/C (I have the Platinum extended warranty to 100K - but they said it was factory warranteed). Last week (at 50K), another coil pack went. They replaced it N/C, but also replaced the entire intake manifold & flapper motor - THE CODE FINALLY SHOWED UP - (all N/C - not even the $100 deductible). WHAT A DIFFERENCE!! The car feels 99% better & light years better in the drivability category. The service manager said he never heard of this result from this recall - but he has done quite a few! Kudos to Reydel VW in Edison, NJ - WAY COOL!.

[irongrey]

I have a 2010 Passat with the 2.0 motor & the DSG. My car has always (since new) been very grabby & lurched at lower speeds - very annoying at low speeds. I had it to the the dealer many times ( the service manager actually drove the car himself for a few days). I really thought it was the DSG or the mechatronics unit. I learned to live with it, but did not always feel the love for the car. At 45k, a coil pack went & they replaced it N/C (I have the Platinum extended warranty to 100K - but they said it was factory warranteed). Last week (at 50K), another coil pack went. They replaced it N/C, but also replaced the entire intake manifold & flapper motor - THE CODE FINALLY SHOWED UP - (all N/C - not even the $100 deductible). WHAT A DIFFERENCE!! The car feels 99% better & light years better in the drivability category. The service manager said he never heard of this result from this recall - but he has done quite a few! Kudos to Reydel VW in Edison, NJ - WAY COOL!.

So they replaced the intake manifold bc a code showed up or is there some recall on the flapper motor?

Also, could you explain in a bit more detail what sort of drivability issues you were having at low speeds? Would you describe them as "hesitations" or "hiccups"? Did they occur at specific rpms? Did hot temps make them worse?

[Chutem16V]

It pretty much happened at low speeds (crawling in traffic. start/stop in town, etc.). If I was at a stop in traffic on the hwy & took my foot off the brake, the car would surge forward, & get real grabby like the trans (or the clutch packs) were slipping. Turn a corner & when you put your foot on the gas it would grab kinda hard (very annoying). Hot or cold didn't matter. Sometimes (this is weird) when I put it in reverse, it would take a good few seconds before it would grab (now it goes it quite a bit quicker). Like I said it's not perfect, but I think that now it is fixed - this is how the car should be. I was thinking of trading it in before this (to sell on my own - I think if someone did a test drive, they would notice the jerkiness - my wife hated it), now I think I'll keep it. Hope the gas mileage improves also. I average 27 MPG with "spirited highway/local driving". Also wish the A/C got colder (it's been checked). This was not the greatest year for the Passat as it is a bit of a mishmosh of parts from previous years (there is no 2011) as they knew a big redesign was in the works for 2012. What can you do??!!

[camarkim]

UPDATE: Just back from dealer. The CEL was off but I told them it was probably in memory and that I had used my Vag-Com. They found the code. Same problem. Another new intake manifold. I told them of my displeasure. Am I going to need a new intake manifold every year? Anyway, they also did the 30K service. So let's see how long this intake manifold lasts...I hope this is not a recall type situation.

[Boosted2003!]

UPDATE: Just back from dealer. The CEL was off but I told them it was probably in memory and that I had used my Vag-Com. They found the code. Same problem. Another new intake manifold. I told them of my displeasure. Am I going to need a new intake manifold every year? Anyway, they also did the 30K service. So let's see how long this intake manifold lasts...I hope this is not a recall type situation.

When you had yours replaced before it might have been before the revised intake manifold came out.

[camarkim]

Could be. First time they replaced part they used part number: 06J-133-201-AL. This time they used part number 06J-133-201-AS.

[metaldisc]

2009 VW CC 2.0 TSI Auto 54,000k miles.

Add me to the list of Intake Manifold failures. Engine would stutter and want to stall when stopped. It does not idle correctly. On the streets and freeway, it would go ok. Just not when it is stopped.

I'm going to give the VW dealership a call tomorrow to see about a fix. Hopefully I can get this resolved.

Are these intake manifolds generally in stock in their parts dept? This is showing as a 3.3 hour job for a technician in a repair manual. Is this accurate?

These are my codes from a $30 USB OBD2 reader connected to my laptop:

Code Type Description
P2015 PowerTrain Intake Manifold Runner Position Sensor/Switch Circuit Range/Performance
P0300 PowerTrain Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
P0304 PowerTrain Cylinder 4 Misfire Detected
P2015 PowerTrain Intake Manifold Runner Position Sensor/Switch Circuit Range/Performance
P2015 PowerTrain Intake Manifold Runner Position Sensor/Switch Circuit Range/Performance
P0300 PowerTrain Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
P0304 PowerTrain Cylinder 4 Misfire Detected
P0302 PowerTrain Cylinder 2 Misfire Detected
P2015 PowerTrain Intake Manifold Runner Position Sensor/Switch Circuit Range/Performance
P0301 PowerTrain Cylinder 1 Misfire Detected
P0303 PowerTrain Cylinder 3 Misfire Detected

[metaldisc]

Just got a call from the dealership and it is the intake manifold. Pretty cool dealership because they told me right off the bat that if it's the intake manifold, warranty will take car of it. I didn't have to say anything about warranty or fight about it.

[camarkim]

Check the part number after they replace it. See if it matches my first replacement intake or my second replaced intake part. I'm hoping it matches the second, which would give us both hope that that is the proper/updated part number.

[metaldisc]

They put on the same manifold as your second one.

This is what's on the service invoice:

Replace the intake manifold, fuel injector seals and oil filter.

06j115403j oil filter
06j998907b repair kit
06j133201as manifold

[GTI16VFAN2]

All this is making me think that this may not be TSI specific...... My horror story continuing :

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...-GTI-Nightmare

[onevrsix]

All this is making me think that this may not be TSI specific...... My horror story continuing :

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...-GTI-Nightmare

After reading your post I think it's safe to say mechanic error may have played a part in your repairs.

The FSI is known for flap failure as well as the tsi only difference is the Flapper on the FSi can be replaced without doing the whole manifold while the TSI requires the entire manifold to be replaced. I had to replace my TSI manifold once and when I got in there there was a good deal of residue from the PVC system. People will tell you a catch can will solve this but that is false; I've come accross plenty of people with catch cans who have the same issue. All direct injection cars will have carbon residue buil up on intake valves and parts with or without a catch can so do yourself a favor and don't spend the big $$ on a useless part. People will show you pictures of gunk and tell you it's worth every penny but your car burns those vapors off.

[GTI16VFAN2]

Yes I agree that the mechanic going "by the books" could have skipped some of this nonsense but now that all that is replaced ( two flapper motors, wiring harness, ecu) do you agree that the last thing to point at is the intake manifold?