I'm not anti-union necessarily, nor am I necessarily pro SB 5, but I'm beginning to lean 52% pro-SB 5.
If this is really about the kids (and it isn't; it's about politics, union lobbying and partisanship, IMHO) we'd be wise to give them a future that isn't burdened by enormous debt. Even though it isn't really about the kids, we still owe it to them to give them a sustainable future.
(Yeah, that includes you, too, Mr. Obama. )
Food for thought: if it's "unfair" to teachers to take away collective bargaining, why isn't it unfair to overburden the taxpayers of OH and WI?
Nowhere did I claim that collective bargaining rights improved education. The point you guys are missing here is that it is a fiscal issue through and through. Not only did he strip bargaining rights
( I am neither pro or anti union..it has been discussed in previous pages) he stripped a very large amount of funding that will directly cost teachers their jobs due to budget cuts.
My brother teaches on a small island a few hours north of here, and has done so for about 35 years. He teaches all of the math and science for K-12 on this island. A few weeks ago they had 12 teachers, today they have 6 because of the recent budget "enhancements."
If you can explain to me exactly how substantially cutting school funding (materials, staff, and incidentals) will not affect the children's education now and in the future, then you win. The schools in WI (like many other states regardless of public worker specifics) have been dealing with near constant budget cuts for years already, they are already operating on bare minimum funding for staff and materials. A further reduction can only hinder the progression of these young people. As a parent if you aren't bothered by this, then maybe you should reevaluate your role as a parent first and as a breadwinner second.
If all you wish to come here and sling dirt, at least familiarize yourself with specific WI issues. This thread is not a background check for me nor it is a dumping site for all of your vague political ideals. I would like to see this thread stay open as most of you have been civilized thus far.
^Just one example….
Again no prostesting here..Originally Posted by zukiphile
When you start making comments regarding my intelligence, personal lifestyle, etc etc etc then yes, those are personal attacks. This thread was intended to discuss my state government. Somehow, through the sheer will of threadjacking and mudslinging I have been put on trial. All of my public and personal info, my posts, my purchases, my history, and my family have been questioned. I have dilligently and maturely explained and/or discussed as much eprsonal info as I feel comfortable with.
If you guys want to talk about the issues without attacking me or being disrespectful I would be more than happy to continue int his direction. I will not bullied and pushed aroung anymore. The countless attempts at breaking my character and demeanor have all been in vain.
This is why I don't have time to answer all of your questions. I type out one reply and two questions pop up in it's place. If I miss your question, I am not dodging you.
The slacker teachers taught social studies and showed movies all the time rather than prep a real lesson and actually teach something. Field trips are secret code for having the entire day off. From the "internet ebonics" I see every day, the country would be far better off going back to the basics. Arithmetic and math. Reading and vocabulary. Writing coherent paragraphs. Spelling and grammar. Public speaking and being able to express yourself in front of a group. You don't need elementary school phys ed teachers. Just go outside and play. You don't need middle school guidance counsellors. If you're interested, things like art & music should be extra-carricular activites.
If you run the schools that way, the costs go way down and the students actually are given the skills necessary to be competetive in the 21st century global economy.
I was referring to the handfull of people that share usernames exactly between the forums that have been involved repeatedly in the discussion against me. I am sure there are few others that are on both but, those jump right out at me.
You make it seem like spending money on schools is a bad idea. Schools in every city and state are hurting, it isn't just Wisconsin. Teachers here are losing jobs directly due to budget cuts and I have firsthand experience to attest to this fact.
Thank you for being polite and straightforward, it is much appreciated.
Last edited by patrikman; 03-31-2011 at 12:23 AM.