What Religion Are You?

[cockerpunk]

are you being serious?

yup

the golden rule is a dumb rule. it is overly simplistic.

[FlashRedGLS1.8T]

yup

the golden rule is a dumb rule. it is overly simplistic.

It's supposed to be overly simplistic. Damn near nothing in life is applied though a black vs white lense.

[cockerpunk]

It's supposed to be overly simplistic. Damn near nothing in life is applied though a black vs white lense.

the golden rule is the black and white lens. morality is complex, something as dumb a treat others the way you like to be treated is overly simplistic and dumb. its black and white and leaves no room for anything other then the assumption that you want to be treated in a certain way, so you should treat others that way. what if i want to be treated one way that someone else might dislike?

dumb rule is dumb.

and im not attacking the golden rule cause of jesus, nearly every society has thus far developed a form of the golden rule, many long long long before the jews did.

[StormChaser]

so then your not a Unitarian, you are a Humanist. most nonreiglous/deist/angonsitc/atheists are.

No, again, clearly you know nothing of UUs so stop trying to act like you do...it makes you look foolish. First off, Humanist and Diest are not even close to the same. Humanism is a non-theist tradition that focuses on human potential and emphasizes personal responsibility for ethical behavior. Modern day Religious Humanism is largely derived from the writings of early American Unitarian Humanists, including Joseph Priestley, Thomas Jefferson, and John Haynes Holmes. Today, Humanism among the largest spiritual identity groups within Unitarian Universalism, but I am a UU Diest. Unitarian Universalism welcomes people with diverse beliefs. In addition to holding different beliefs on spiritual topics, individual Unitarian Universalists may also identify with and draw inspiration from Atheism and Agnosticism, Buddhism, Christianity, Humanism, Judaism, Paganism, and other religious or philosophical traditions.

[Sono Qui]

the golden rule is the black and white lens. morality is complex, something as dumb a treat others the way you like to be treated is overly simplistic and dumb. its black and white and leaves no room for anything other then the assumption that you want to be treated in a certain way, so you should treat others that way. what if i want to be treated one way that someone else might dislike?

dumb rule is dumb.

and im not attacking the golden rule cause of jesus, nearly every society has thus far developed a form of the golden rule, many long long long before the jews did.

Perhaps you'd prefer the Platinum Rule?

Do unto others what they would have you do unto them.

[cockerpunk]

No, again, clearly you know nothing of UUs so stop trying to act like you do...it makes you look foolish. First off, Humanist and Diest are not even close to the same. Humanism is a non-theist tradition that focuses on human potential and emphasizes personal responsibility for ethical behavior. Modern day Religious Humanism is largely derived from the writings of early American Unitarian Humanists, including Joseph Priestley, Thomas Jefferson, and John Haynes Holmes. Today, Humanism among the largest spiritual identity groups within Unitarian Universalism, but I am a UU Diest. Unitarian Universalism welcomes people with diverse beliefs. In addition to holding different beliefs on spiritual topics, individual Unitarian Universalists may also identify with and draw inspiration from Atheism and Agnosticism, Buddhism, Christianity, Humanism, Judaism, Paganism, and other religious or philosophical traditions.

humanism simply means human based morality and world view. if you are selecting your moral beliefs yourself, then you are a humanist. UU deism does not conflict with humanist.

although i still don't even understand how UU can be taken seriously. if you don't have any solid and defining beliefs, seems like a hippy commune to me. let all sit in a circle and try to be deep .... or you could grow up and realize your all just talking about unicorns.

[Vision33r]

There is no morality, look at all those rabbis, priests and clergy people that abused people and the system for centuries.

Religion is just another way to gain power over the ignorant. If you believe in God or a higher being, there's no need to follow a group.

Like that SNL skit where Jesus said he's a busy man he can't keep saving Football games for Tebow when everyone keeps calling him to save them from other dumb things.

[Robstr]

humanism simply means human based morality and world view. if you are selecting your moral beliefs yourself, then you are a humanist. UU deism does not conflict with humanist.

Humanism, with the capital 'h' (often called "secular humanism") is a defined system. It clearly rejects superstition and the supernatural.
It's a subset of humanism. It's a square is a rectangle but not all rectangles are squares thing.

or you could grow up and realize your all just talking about unicorns.

This would seemingly apply to any belief system that included the supernatural.

[cockerpunk]

his would seemingly apply to any belief system that included the supernatural.

yup, thus why i hold all religions as equally stupid.

[mad8vskillz]

This would seemingly apply to any belief system that included the supernatural.

Andy is super and natural.

[StormChaser]

humanism simply means human based morality and world view. if you are selecting your moral beliefs yourself, then you are a humanist. UU deism does not conflict with humanist.

although i still don't even understand how UU can be taken seriously. if you don't have any solid and defining beliefs, seems like a hippy commune to me. let all sit in a circle and try to be deep .... or you could grow up and realize your all just talking about unicorns.

No, humanism as a religious movement meant to transcend and replace previous, deity-based religions. I am a Diest, and as such cannot be a Humanist. Here, read for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_humanism

And UU does have solid defining beliefs. I already posted them. Yet again, your lack of reading comprehension makes you look the fool. But I guess I'll post them again for the dense. UU celebrates diversity of belief and is guided by seven principles.
-The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
-Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
- Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
-A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
-The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
-The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
-Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.

Is it kind of hippy? Maybe, but no more so than any of the religion that UU draws from. You don't have to agree, that's the cool thing about being a US citizen, nobody's religious views are WRONG. What confuses me...is UU almost never tells anyone their beliefs are wrong...not sure how any rational person could have issue with that.

[dubinsincuwereindiapers]

Perhaps you'd prefer the Platinum Rule?

Do unto others what they would have you do unto them.

Im going to carve that into a block of Madagascar ebony, embellish it with platinum leaf, and hang it over my front door

[barry2952]

2000 years since the new testament was written. The old testament is probably 2000 years older than the new. Remember, the world is only 6000 years old

[Air-over-water]

What confuses me...is UU almost never tells anyone their beliefs are wrong...not sure how any rational person could have issue with that.

The key word is rational...
Most devoutly religious people do not want to be told that no beliefs are wrong, they want to be told their beliefs are right.

[Turbio!]

as soon as you start picking and choosing you are undermining the entire point. as soon as a person starting picking and choosing the moral guidance from the bible, then they are actually just using there own moral compass, and using the bible to justify it. so they are being just as morally relative as anyone is.
.

Which is fine with me. Morality is relative. The Bible can be taken as a compendium of guidance, parables, and so forth, or it can be taken as the literal, inerrant, and unchanging word of God. My point was just that it's very, very hard to do the latter with any sort of coherence in this day and age, and that a lot of people are taking the Bible more as a guiding light than a road map.

[O_G]

There is no morality, look at all those rabbis, priests and clergy people that abused people and the system for centuries.

Religion is just another way to gain power over the ignorant. If you believe in God or a higher being, there's no need to follow a group.

You're conflating morality with religious dogma. It is possible to have non-religious morality.

[cockerpunk]

No, humanism as a religious movement meant to transcend and replace previous, deity-based religions. I am a Diest, and as such cannot be a Humanist. Here, read for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_humanism

And UU does have solid defining beliefs. I already posted them. Yet again, your lack of reading comprehension makes you look the fool. But I guess I'll post them again for the dense. UU celebrates diversity of belief and is guided by seven principles.
-The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
-Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
- Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
-A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
-The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
-The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
-Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.

Is it kind of hippy? Maybe, but no more so than any of the religion that UU draws from. You don't have to agree, that's the cool thing about being a US citizen, nobody's religious views are WRONG. What confuses me...is UU almost never tells anyone their beliefs are wrong...not sure how any rational person could have issue with that.

so you are a humanist ... all that bolded stuff is just humanism. and no, humanism is not a religion, its mrerely seeing the human as the ultimate existence and justice. its a dumb argument at this point though, whatever.

and no, lots of peoples religious views are WRONG. they have a right to have them, but that doesn't mean they have a right to be CORRECT. there is a truth out there, there is a god or there isnt one, that does not change, ergo SOMEONE is actually incorrect. thats why we have to use logic and evidence to try to figure out as much of that puzzle as we can, because there is an answer.

[O_G]

lots of peoples religious views are WRONG. they have a right to have them, but that doesn't mean they have a right to be CORRECT.

Religious views are always wrong because they're irrational.
No one has the right to hold irrational views.

The worst entitlement mentality is the mistaken notion that people are entitled to hold erroneous opinions.

[Hurt]

Irish Catholic heritage - Catholic

[StormChaser]

shumanism is not a religion

OK, fine, then bringing up humanism in a "What religion are you?" thread is simply off the topic and has nothing to do with this. Got it! Thanks for wasting our time.

[Doogal]

I suppose id be an Atheist. No religion or religious upbringing. My family havent been religious for a few generations now so I wouldnt consider myself to have a Christian heritage either.

[Mr. Roloff]

I'm a dwarven hunter who tames the wild beasts of Kalimdor.

My weapons and pets are all I believe in.

[dubinsincuwereindiapers]

Religious views are always wrong because they're irrational.
No one has the right to hold irrational views.

The worst entitlement mentality is the mistaken notion that people are entitled to hold erroneous opinions.

Pot meet kettle? You subscribe to quite a few crackpot views yourself.

Besides; who the hell are you to make that call?

The last I checked; the constitution guarantees freedom of speech. Irrational views fall under "free speech". The constitution also guarantees freedom of religion; not 'freedom from religion'.

You're just a loudmouth on the internet, who has his head so far up his own âss; that he believes his own opinions, and views are somehow unquestionable.

Consequently; nobody gives a flying fûck what you think about anything.

[O_G]

Pot meet kettle? You subscribe to quite a few crackpot views yourself.

Tu quoque isn't a satisfactory rebuttal, nor is the word "crackpot" by itself evidence to support one.

Besides; who the hell are you to make that call?

You think authority is what creates truth? Do you expect it to be delivered on golden tablets buried under a rock, or via comet, or something? How will you know something is truthful if you won't accept it from humans?

If I am not one to state something truthful, how are you one to know the truth and thus contradict me?

The last I checked; the constitution guarantees freedom of speech. Irrational views fall under "free speech".

Freedom of speech is an illusion. There is no free speech. All speech is regulated. It is condoned or suppressed.

The constitution also guarantees freedom of religion; not 'freedom from religion'.

The First Amendment says the government will not establish religion. That means our law is secular. That is exactly what freedom from religion entails.

You're just a loudmouth on the internet, who has his head so far up his own âss; that he believes his own opinions, and views are somehow unquestionable.

Ad hominem isn't a satisfactory rebuttal either.

Consequently; nobody gives a flying fûck what you think about anything.

Argumentum ad populum is not a satisfactory rebuttal either.

Try to write a rebuttal. Fallacies don't cut it.

[cockerpunk]

Religious views are always wrong because they're irrational.
No one has the right to hold irrational views.

The worst entitlement mentality is the mistaken notion that people are entitled to hold erroneous opinions.

i dont disagree that all religous views are dumb and irrational.

but we have a constitutional right to believe whatever we want, which is important. as militant of an atheist i am, mandating atheism cannot work. so everyone has a right to hold an opinion ... but its doesn't mean that opinion is correct.

[Brake_Dust]

O_G for the win on this one

[forgotmyname]

I want to make sure this isnt missed




587>607 and watch the rest of your beileifs fall to the ground .
Do you even know how your retarded religion was started ?
How about 1975 ? or 1914 or other such dates the world was supposed to end 1895 ?

What I laugh at my wifes stupidty and the rest of my family and so called friends is the pure lack of abilty to open there eyes and quit seeing the " new light" when the founder said there wouldn't be .

I can tear this regiligon a new azzhole left right up and down due to wasting 30 years of my life it in. Along with the flat out lies they tell there "servants"

Do you ever wonder why they dont use the Creation book anymore ?
Do you ever wonder why organ transplants are ok but not using the red blood cell isnt ?
Do you ever wonder why Weddings and Anniversary are ok but not any holidays when there basis is in the same ? Oh dont forget about the joke birthdays are
But good thing you are born now and not in the 30's since you wouldn't been able to get a vaccination ....

Do you want to open your eyes to relize how much they have been WRONG about ?
or do you just tow the line like the rest of the mind wash fcks ? And keep your blinders on and live the rest of your life in fear of a made up god ?

Keep believing in your cult , since that's all it is.

Anyone who wants to know the "truth" about the JW ask me and I will show you the holes in this religion that they refuse to acknowledge .



hmmm its 2013 .... 99 years .... better hope you got some 120+ year old JW living for awhile ..

Hurrrr duuurrrr new light new light new light huuuurrrr duurrrr

As for the dates mentioned, those were never dates that were endorsed by the organization. Ever. There were members that believed those things, but since you like to refer to old issues of the WT/Awake, you can go back through them and see for yourself how they said not to put faith in those dates.

Yes I do know about its early days.

Its of little wonder why your family/friends would treat you as a "leper" when you laugh at their beliefs and think of them as stupid.

They may not use the Creation book anymore, but if there was anything in it that was a big mystery or that they didn't want us to see, then wouldn't they have tried to remove it from existence? I know we still have several copies in the library at our hall, and I even have one myself.

You go on about how 30 years of your life were wasted with us, but in reality you were free to leave anytime if you wanted to. I did when I was in highschool, but eventually I decided on my own to come back, and was never treated like a leper.

I don't mock you for your decision to leave, so why do you find it so necessary to attack me and my beliefs?

[A.Wilder]

The latter.

i thought it seemed really peaceful with the bottom feeders shalty and dubbin not posting today.

[sortadelux]

i thought it seemed really peaceful with the bottom feeders shalty and dubbin not posting today.

I thought this thread would be in the hole after that last rant.

[StormChaser]

but its doesn't mean that opinion is correct.

Opinions cannot, by virtue of their very definition, be correct or not correct.

o·pin·ion/əˈpinyən/
Noun: A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

Therefore, your opinion that there is no god is neither right nor wrong, just as my opinion that there is a higher power is neither right nor wrong.

[cockerpunk]

Opinions cannot, by virtue of their very definition, be correct or not correct.

o·pin·ion/əˈpinyən/
Noun: A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

Therefore, your opinion that there is no god is neither right nor wrong, just as my opinion that there is a higher power is neither right nor wrong.

ahhhhhh, no

opinions can be right or wrong, incorrect or correct.

[Egilbe]

ahhhhhh, no

opinions can be right or wrong, incorrect or correct.

Opinions can't be wrong or right.

[barry2952]

More semantics gymnastics.

An opinion is simply an opinion, it can't be right or wrong. When something is presented as fact it can be picked apart to determine validity.

[barry2952]

Opinions can't be wrong or right.

GMTA

[cockerpunk]

Opinions can't be wrong or right.

if i have the opinion that when i drop something wont fall down, but up, that would be inncorrect. if i have the opinion that something i drop will fall down, it is correct (pending larger more complex situations).