I had this done on my 08 R32 the month it came out a few years ago. It was an amazing upgrade for my car. I am in the works of having this done on my new 2010 CC R-line 2.0 very soon.
Just a reminder, HPA’s renowned Stage 2, Stage 3 and Stage 4 DSG performance software is available for all late model Volkswagen/Audi DQ250 DSG gearboxes, including the new Audi A3, Audi TT-S/RS, VW Golf/Jetta MkVI, and VW Passat CC.
DQ 200 (7-speed) and DQ500 (Transporter etc) are on schedule for release later this year
All HPA DSG offerings are available in house at HPA, through our worldwide dealer network, and through our loaner tool program.
Pricing is as follows:
Stage 2 - $899.00
Stage 3 - $1995.00
Stage 4 - $2495.00
If you are interested in coordinating a group purchase for your region, special pricing is available upon request. Please contact HPA for details.
Reviews (and video) of our DSG programming can be found here.
So the Stage II is ready for the 2010 GTI DSG?
I sent an e-mail to ya all last month requesting info and was told nothing yet.
edit: Just read a post further down the page,,,, it's ready! hmmm, DSG flash or K04 upgrade???
Last edited by davesxx01; 03-23-2011 at 09:49 PM.
2010 Mk6 GTI DSG SB; APR K04, Carbonio 1 & 2, UR catted/resonated DP, Eurojet FMIC, Billy Boat cat back Uni DSG flash 313 WHP!. Traded for;
2013 .:R! APR Stage 2+, HPFP, RFD. VWR springs & intake. UniBrace XB.
Not sure what the travel schedule is like for the summer yet...a few of us are headed to Hong Kong in a couple of weeks to do 2 turbo installs...
With direct-to-door now an option, DSG flashing on site is less of an issue. Having said that, trade shows a re still important (and a lot of fun).
We will try and keep everyone posted.
Quick Feedback (This has also been shared with Melanie @ HPA):
The 'Bad' News (not that bad actually)
Installation with loaner tool program is not for the faint of heart. PC based installation software is not approved for use with Windows Vista although it worked for me with no issues. Installation instructions could be written better, especially for those that are not very PC literate. Instructions lead you to believe you need VAG-COM to read which type of DSG you have (for my TTS this was Type 'E' or Type 'F') since that is a paramter tobe entered in the DSG software read/write process. Since I have VAG-COM this was not an issue for me, not sure what you would do with it (Marcel - any input here ?)
The Good News
The software loaded successfully on the first, try no issues. Marcel turned around the updated DSG file in less than 12 hours, very good repsonse time! The reprogram shaved .2 secs off my 0-60 time and shaved of .5 secs in the 1/4 mile. These are very preliminary numbers derived from a GTech RR Fanatic. The GTech may not be 100% accurate in it's actual numbers but I believe it's consistent - so I believe these stated improvements to be very close to reality if not dead-on. The launch mode literally kicks you in the ass - the TTS is pretty quick 0-60 stock and even quicker with my previous mods, but while using the launch mode I never had the tires chirp. Now, there more than enough initial torque on tap to release the tires. I'm running Dunlop Direzza's which are pretty sticky tires. The 1/4 mile run has the DSG shifting well above the stock shift points and now matches the HP/TQ gains from myother mods. She literally screams through the gears while it keeps the revs up near the limit (I'm still at a stock 6800 redline) and the shifts are still VERY fast clean.
It's worth the price, especially if you have made the tuning mods that have open up the potential of the engine. I do all my racing on the track on road courses, so standing start 0-60 times don't mean much to be except to show what the car is capable of. That said, if you're a guy/gal that does strip or red-light street racing, I would seriously watch the impact of launch mode on your DSG. This is not a crituque of HPA, their software is doing exactly what they said it would - however the added instantaneous torque from the higher lauch mode RPM (mine is set for 4600) will definitly have an impact on the life of the DSG, or at least the clutch packs, over time. If you assumed that prior to purchase you shold be all set to go.
'09 Audi TTS - Meteor Grey | APR Stage 2+, HPFP | Miltek Turbo-back | HPA Stage 2 | Eibach Springs | H&R Sway Bars | Stop-Tech ST-40 calipers/Aero 2 pc rotors/SS lines | Pagid pads, R-29 front, R-19 rear | Schroth quick link PRO 4 pt. | OZ Alleggerita HLT 18" | Michelin Pilot Super Sports | K&M | NGK | Stewart Warner Gauges | OSIR Design | Custom designed DSG temp mgt mods | 345 HP/352 ft/lbs @ crank | A very understanding wife
That is for the software only.
Clutch pack pricing:
Stage 1 : $3250.00
Stage 2 : $4825.00
Peter - Thanks for the great review, and we are all pleased with you results.
I read on another board how the customer had to use VAGCOM to determine his TDI's DSG version in order to properly flash. Will I have to do the same with my 2010 GTI or is there just one version?
2010 GTI 4DR CSGray | APR Stage 2 ECU | Carbonio CAI Stage 2 | APR Downpipe | APR FMIC | Milltek 100mm GT CBE Non-Res | ST Coilovers | Whiteline ALK | H&R 26mm Front / 24mm Rear Sway Bar | HPA Pendulum Mount | UNIbrace XB & UB | iForged RS Equip Black | Continetal ExtremeContact DW | Hawk HPS Pads
I think something was missed there.
For the new TDI's we need the ECU ID to determine if it can be bench flashed or port flashed.
The DSG flashing does not require this, for a TDI, GTI, TTS, TT, etc.
The tool will tell you if you have an C, E, or F based transmission. There is no need for Vag-Com or any other software to perform the flash.
Well feel free to have those tuning companies contact us if they would like to become a dealer, for you specifically we do not ship our loaner tool world wide. To have your unit flahsed we would need you to remove the mechatronic and ship it to us. Then we would bench flash it, and return it to you.
After 17 years of driving stickshifts, I went DSG so that the wife-to-be could drive the car too. I did multiple test drives to ensure I could be happy with it and thought it through and finally a deal came along on a floor model 2011 CC R-Line I couldn't pass up - but it was a DSG.
I'm disappointed to say the least. I'm finding myself constantly driving it in manual mode, but I'm not sure if that's healthy - and even then, this thing does crazy stuff like:
-It decides to keep throttle going for many, many seconds after I let off gas
-Shifts from 1st to 2nd seem to be "riding the clutch" to provide the equivalent granny-smoothness of torque converters.
-It simply feels more automatic than I would have liked (especially due to the previous point)
-It seems reluctant to downshift when in Drive. Maybe the new TFSI's don't have the problem, but with my previous MKV, the FSI's had issues with blown DV's that as I recall would be accentuated at low revs in higher gears. The reluctance to upshift isn't helping that.
Will the HPA flash resolve any of the above "features"?
Liquid - I drive my DSG in manual 100% of the time except for sport mode on the 1/4 mile track and highway racing. Been banging on it for 47k without issues. D mode is for economy and VW has programmed the behavior you describe to save fuel. I have experienced the "riding sensation" a handful of times under light tip. If you have VCDS I would recommend running thru the basic settings for the DSG to see if that improves anything. The procedure van be found on RossTech's website. HPA doesn't change their D mode until stage 3 and up but you will definitely enjoy manual more with their stage 2 and up flash since it removes the auto upshift when you hit the rev limiter. This should bring back some of you MT habits. I will refer to HPA to address your questions further.
I'm starting to wonder now if it isn't the ECU reprogramming combined with a DSG programming that would resolve my biggest annoyance: When I let off the gas, even in manual mode, the car's throttle stays open slightly for 10-15 seconds (which feels like minutes, to be honest). Often, when I'm coming to a stop, it feels like I have to fight with the car trying to push while I'm trying to stop - exactly what I hate about your run-of-the-mill automatics.
I know, from my experience on the GTI that a revo/apr/whomever flash will get rid of most of the "lingering throttle" after I let off on my stickshift GTI. I'm hoping that a combination of an ECU reflash with HPA's flash will get rid of that annoying "feature."
Can someone from HPA let me know if this changes in terms of the tranny's behavior when off throttle in manual mode?
That 10-15 second sticky throttle symptom sounds odd to me. I personally can say I've never experienced anything like that. Have you researched if there are any TSBs on that?
Edit: that may not be DSG related. You should log your throttle body valve and i think it g187 sensor sensor to see what's going on there. IIRC the g187 is the pedal sensor that tells the throttle valve (g188 sensor) when to open/close. I may have the two reversed though...can't remember.
Last edited by steelcurtain; 06-06-2011 at 11:00 PM.
We have done this with various HPA project cars, as part of a larger build which included turbo systems, etc.
Send an e-mail to Keir in our sales dept. with specifics on your car, and what you are interested in, and we will do our best to get you a quote.