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    Thread: HPA Motorsports DSG Performance Programming

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      06-04-2011 09:12 AM #26
      After 17 years of driving stickshifts, I went DSG so that the wife-to-be could drive the car too. I did multiple test drives to ensure I could be happy with it and thought it through and finally a deal came along on a floor model 2011 CC R-Line I couldn't pass up - but it was a DSG.

      I'm disappointed to say the least. I'm finding myself constantly driving it in manual mode, but I'm not sure if that's healthy - and even then, this thing does crazy stuff like:

      -It decides to keep throttle going for many, many seconds after I let off gas
      -Shifts from 1st to 2nd seem to be "riding the clutch" to provide the equivalent granny-smoothness of torque converters.
      -It simply feels more automatic than I would have liked (especially due to the previous point)
      -It seems reluctant to downshift when in Drive. Maybe the new TFSI's don't have the problem, but with my previous MKV, the FSI's had issues with blown DV's that as I recall would be accentuated at low revs in higher gears. The reluctance to upshift isn't helping that.

      Will the HPA flash resolve any of the above "features"?

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      06-04-2011 07:27 PM #27
      Liquid - I drive my DSG in manual 100% of the time except for sport mode on the 1/4 mile track and highway racing. Been banging on it for 47k without issues. D mode is for economy and VW has programmed the behavior you describe to save fuel. I have experienced the "riding sensation" a handful of times under light tip. If you have VCDS I would recommend running thru the basic settings for the DSG to see if that improves anything. The procedure van be found on RossTech's website. HPA doesn't change their D mode until stage 3 and up but you will definitely enjoy manual more with their stage 2 and up flash since it removes the auto upshift when you hit the rev limiter. This should bring back some of you MT habits. I will refer to HPA to address your questions further.
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    3. 06-04-2011 10:26 PM #28
      Hello HPA -- Any plans for develop an upgrade for the DL501 7 speed in the S4?

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      06-06-2011 08:36 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by steelcurtain View Post
      Liquid - I drive my DSG in manual 100% of the time except for sport mode on the 1/4 mile track and highway racing. Been banging on it for 47k without issues. D mode is for economy and VW has programmed the behavior you describe to save fuel. I have experienced the "riding sensation" a handful of times under light tip. If you have VCDS I would recommend running thru the basic settings for the DSG to see if that improves anything. The procedure van be found on RossTech's website. HPA doesn't change their D mode until stage 3 and up but you will definitely enjoy manual more with their stage 2 and up flash since it removes the auto upshift when you hit the rev limiter. This should bring back some of you MT habits. I will refer to HPA to address your questions further.
      Thanks for your feedback, it's got me thinking of this more and more, and has comforted me in my use of the DSG in manual mode exclusively. The DSG works largely by design as I understand it, I don't know that the vag-com recalibration would do anything.

      I'm starting to wonder now if it isn't the ECU reprogramming combined with a DSG programming that would resolve my biggest annoyance: When I let off the gas, even in manual mode, the car's throttle stays open slightly for 10-15 seconds (which feels like minutes, to be honest). Often, when I'm coming to a stop, it feels like I have to fight with the car trying to push while I'm trying to stop - exactly what I hate about your run-of-the-mill automatics.

      I know, from my experience on the GTI that a revo/apr/whomever flash will get rid of most of the "lingering throttle" after I let off on my stickshift GTI. I'm hoping that a combination of an ECU reflash with HPA's flash will get rid of that annoying "feature."

      Can someone from HPA let me know if this changes in terms of the tranny's behavior when off throttle in manual mode?

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      06-06-2011 10:52 PM #30
      That 10-15 second sticky throttle symptom sounds odd to me. I personally can say I've never experienced anything like that. Have you researched if there are any TSBs on that?

      Edit: that may not be DSG related. You should log your throttle body valve and i think it g187 sensor sensor to see what's going on there. IIRC the g187 is the pedal sensor that tells the throttle valve (g188 sensor) when to open/close. I may have the two reversed though...can't remember.
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      06-08-2011 12:40 PM #31
      I would definitely recommend the DSG Adaptation through VCDS. It totally made the clutch engagement much more smooth on my A3.

    7. 06-08-2011 01:39 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by jeffc31337 View Post
      Hello HPA -- Any plans for develop an upgrade for the DL501 7 speed in the S4?
      There are plans...but nothing available as of yet...

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      06-18-2011 12:28 AM #33
      Darryl,
      Are you guys done with the kit that allows one to put DSG into a MKIV chassis or similar?

    9. 06-20-2011 12:44 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Issam Abed View Post
      Darryl,
      Are you guys done with the kit that allows one to put DSG into a MKIV chassis or similar?
      Issam,

      We have done this with various HPA project cars, as part of a larger build which included turbo systems, etc.

      Send an e-mail to Keir in our sales dept. with specifics on your car, and what you are interested in, and we will do our best to get you a quote.

      Thanks.

    10. 06-22-2011 09:58 AM #35
      Is it possible to get stg2 without the increased redline?

    11. 07-28-2011 07:10 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by B1GSLICK View Post
      Is it possible to get stg2 without the increased redline?
      Yes it is. The redline can be set wherever you'd like it...

    12. 10-17-2011 07:55 PM #37
      I really want to get the stage 2 software, as im one of those people that thinks the DSG should be more aggressive, more crisp, theirs just to much slip. My 07 A3 is actually at Audi getting a new DSG installed (It was making a clacking noise at idle, they don't know what is causing it so there just replacing it under warranty) so im hoping it will feel more crisp than my 50K mile original. 900 bucks for software is just painful tho. Are you guys planning any sales anytime soon? I know you get what you pay for but geeez!

    13. 10-26-2011 03:53 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by SorryIfarted View Post
      I really want to get the stage 2 software, as im one of those people that thinks the DSG should be more aggressive, more crisp, theirs just to much slip. My 07 A3 is actually at Audi getting a new DSG installed (It was making a clacking noise at idle, they don't know what is causing it so there just replacing it under warranty) so im hoping it will feel more crisp than my 50K mile original. 900 bucks for software is just painful tho. Are you guys planning any sales anytime soon? I know you get what you pay for but geeez!
      Send me an e-mail...

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      03-08-2012 04:45 PM #39
      I know I am reviving this from the dead, but....

      For a 2011 or 2012 GTI 2.0 TSI with DSG, What is the redline changed to for with the HPA Stage 2 DSG file ?

      What about the Launch control RPM?

      The reason I ask is because your website DSG tune descriptions seem to be written for the 2008 R32 6-cylinder.
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      03-08-2012 05:21 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by Col-Buddy-Greenleaf View Post
      I know I am reviving this from the dead, but....

      For a 2011 or 2012 GTI 2.0 TSI with DSG, What is the redline changed to for with the HPA Stage 2 DSG file ?

      What about the Launch control RPM?

      The reason I ask is because your website DSG tune descriptions seem to be written for the 2008 R32 6-cylinder.

      They are whatever you would like them to be, we send you a form to fill out, with this you determine your settings.
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      04-01-2012 06:32 PM #41
      I own a 2012 Dsg gli. Currently stage 2 ecu upgrade Carbonio intake and tbe. Pushing 255 whp and 315wtq on 93 tune. I would like some info/pricing for the Dsg upgrade and also confirmation that this adds launch control. How about no traction control though? Does it still work properly without this feature or does it get added into the software.
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      04-05-2012 11:31 PM #42
      Can you flash a 2008 3.2 EOS DSG?

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      04-06-2012 01:08 AM #43
      Absolutely.
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      04-06-2012 01:09 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by frandre View Post
      I own a 2012 Dsg gli. Currently stage 2 ecu upgrade Carbonio intake and tbe. Pushing 255 whp and 315wtq on 93 tune. I would like some info/pricing for the Dsg upgrade and also confirmation that this adds launch control. How about no traction control though? Does it still work properly without this feature or does it get added into the software.
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      We are working out the launch control on the cars without ESP off buttons. It should be possible, launch control would simply suspend ESP while it is being utilized.

      We will update this soon pending our test car's trial.
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    20. 06-06-2013 08:22 PM #45
      Is possible to reprogram just by switching Software coding to Euro spec?
      Since previous generation auto tranny could be switched to Euro coding.

      Last edited by phlfly; 06-06-2013 at 08:25 PM.

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      06-13-2013 01:01 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by Sales@HPAmotorsports View Post
      That is for the software only.

      Clutch pack pricing:

      Stage 1 : $3250.00

      Stage 2 : $4825.00

      Peter - Thanks for the great review, and we are all pleased with you results.
      These prices seem outrageously high for just a software update.

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      06-14-2013 12:12 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by BleezyD View Post
      These prices seem outrageously high for just a software update.
      Thats for the clutch pack, not the software.

      Software:
      DSG stage 2: $899
      DSG stage 3: $1995
      DSG stage 4: $2495

      Hardware:
      DSG stage 1 CLUTCH: $3250
      DSG stage 2 CLUTCH: $4825

      Hopefully thats a clearer breakdown.
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      07-10-2013 08:40 AM #48
      Are there any maintenance issues with this software? Does the transmission fluid need to be replaced more often or with a different type?
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