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    Thread: Generic code P2015 in my new :/ 2009 GLI

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      03-08-2011 08:27 PM #1
      *** update: the intake manifold flap on the TSI motors is a known failure point; it is covered in the power train warranty and VW should replace it with out any hassles. As always, if you're heavily modified, the dealer could claim your mods are the reason for the fault (but we all know 85% of the time this is not true).

      Common Questions:
      -Is it okay to drive with? Yes, I did 12k miles on mine before replacing
      -should I clean my valves while I'm in there? Yes, it is always a good idea
      -can I fix it myself? Yes, on a scale of 1-10 (10 being VR timing chain job) I'd say this job is a solid 8. not for the newbie backyard mechanic.


      Just Bought the car 4 days ago, wouldn't be a VW if I didn't throw a code.
      My question is, is it covered under the powertrain warranty or did the below technical service bulletin act as a precursor to a recall ...most likely not
      Anyone know how to fix this wrong?
      TIA
      I understand driving on a busted intake runner flap isn't harmful as it just smooths idel correct?

      Technical Service Bulletin Transaction No.: 2019394/1
      01-08-32 - DTC P2015 (2968) Stored in ECM Fault Memory (U.S. Only)
      Release date: Nov 21, 2008
      Condition:
      DTC P2015 (2968) Stored in ECM Fault Memory (U.S. Only)
      DTC will set with or without MIL ON

      DTC Description:
      P2015 (2968) Intake Manifold Runner Position Sensor/Switch Circuit Range/Performance Sporadic

      Technical Background:
      • Intake manifold tumble flaps sporadically stick.
      • Engine performance is not affected.

      Production Solution:
      Production countermeasure implemented.
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      03-09-2011 06:27 AM #2


      So far based off what I've read, this code on an FSI motor indicates that you'll have to have the actuator motor replaced. On the TSI, this motor was done away with (as they probably saw it was faulty) and not there is a piston and vacuum set up attached to the intake mani, with a sensor of some sort. the only problem is I cannot find a dinfinitive explanation of how this is fixed, weather its covered under warranty and so on. Some ppl say their entire intake manifold has to be replaced, others say the sensor. I wish and hope it was just the sensor as I could do that myself. even the mani I could do myself. but I hear is like a $500-800 part. we'll see, I as looking at powertrain warranty details and it says intake manifold is covered. unfortunately thats the only warranty left on my car
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      03-09-2011 12:06 PM #3
      Any additional input would be Great guys. I know others have/will be going through this, none of the search results net anything useful for the TSi, I know know this issue was addressed for the FSI but still no real solution

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      03-09-2011 06:04 PM #5
      From what I have seen and assuming you have a TSI engine, the complete intake manifold will have to be replaced.

      It could be a sensor but from the ones I have seen under warranty we have had to replace the entire intake manifold. I would have liked to try just the sensor but it was only available as a complete unit, if you want the sensor, you get the intake manifold with it.

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      03-09-2011 07:05 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by HXMan View Post
      From what I have seen and assuming you have a TSI engine, the complete intake manifold will have to be replaced.

      It could be a sensor but from the ones I have seen under warranty we have had to replace the entire intake manifold. I would have liked to try just the sensor but it was only available as a complete unit, if you want the sensor, you get the intake manifold with it.
      Thanks for your input. After a day and a half researching it seems this is the popular consensus. I'm trying to get a used manifold off a CC TSI motor to see if they'll pair up, (And if there is any way to clean the intake mani/sensor to fix the issue. If I can get if for free, it'll be nothing lost, fixed car gained but this is also assuming the dealership i bought it from doesn't replace it for free (again, purchased at a ford dealer)

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      03-12-2011 02:03 PM #7
      It should be covered under your 3/36k warranty.
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      03-12-2011 03:39 PM #8
      it will be covered under your power train warranty full intake mani swap. 100% positive

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      03-12-2011 04:34 PM #9
      what sensor are you refering to??
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      03-12-2011 06:30 PM #10
      The sensor that measures the position of intake manifold flaps is probably faulty. Sorta common in the TSI engines.

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      03-12-2011 07:13 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Boosted2003! View Post
      The sensor that measures the position of intake manifold flaps is probably faulty. Sorta common in the TSI engines.
      could it be why i get rough idles sometimes, and serious shuddering under throttle??? and what ive read from this, is that i couldnt buy the sensor without buying the whole
      manifold. or can you even take the sensor out??
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      03-12-2011 07:45 PM #12
      Correct Runners and sensor, as well as the actuator all come integrated in the Manifold. I just seafoamed my engine as a possible solution
      From what I've found an heard, its not so much the sensor failing, more the runners sticking due to build up. causing the sensor to read incorrectly
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      03-13-2011 11:44 AM #13
      The shaft breaks off from the motor so the flaps will shut and throw misfire codes and intake flap sensor codes. You can manually open them to drive it to the dealer. I have seen this happen 3 times now.

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      03-13-2011 01:21 PM #14
      On the new 2.0L TSI engines, there is a vacuum “T” off of the Brake Vacuum Pump.
      On the vacuum “T”, there are two smaller vacuum lines. One going to the Leak Detection Pump (LDP)
      and one going to the Intake Manifold Runner Control Solenoid (IMRC).
      There are small orifices drilled into the plastic connection for these two lines. If these orifices should
      become plugged with debris, the following DTCs may result: P2015 for the IMRC vacuum line and
      P0455, P0442, or P0456 for the LDP vacuum line.

      Also TSB runner stick on all 2009 CCTA and CBFA engines TSB 01 08 32 Basically replacing the intake manifold for that fault code
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      03-13-2011 05:36 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by CorradoG602 View Post
      On the new 2.0L TSI engines, there is a vacuum “T” off of the Brake Vacuum Pump.
      On the vacuum “T”, there are two smaller vacuum lines. One going to the Leak Detection Pump (LDP)
      and one going to the Intake Manifold Runner Control Solenoid (IMRC).
      There are small orifices drilled into the plastic connection for these two lines. If these orifices should
      become plugged with debris, the following DTCs may result: P2015 for the IMRC vacuum line and
      P0455, P0442, or P0456 for the LDP vacuum line.

      Also TSB runner stick on all 2009 CCTA and CBFA engines TSB 01 08 32 Basically replacing the intake manifold for that fault code
      i have the same issues would i be able to check the line your talking about myself?
      if i can how would i find it?
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      03-13-2011 07:13 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by CorradoG602 View Post
      On the new 2.0L TSI engines, there is a vacuum “T” off of the Brake Vacuum Pump.
      On the vacuum “T”, there are two smaller vacuum lines. One going to the Leak Detection Pump (LDP)
      and one going to the Intake Manifold Runner Control Solenoid (IMRC).
      There are small orifices drilled into the plastic connection for these two lines. If these orifices should
      become plugged with debris, the following DTCs may result: P2015 for the IMRC vacuum line and
      P0455, P0442, or P0456 for the LDP vacuum line.

      Also TSB runner stick on all 2009 CCTA and CBFA engines TSB 01 08 32 Basically replacing the intake manifold for that fault code
      could you seafoam the vacum lines to clear em out??
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      03-22-2011 03:56 PM #17
      My 2009 wolfsburg MIL light just went off, firing code p2015. My car has 36 500 miles on it, wondering if anyone has had this fixed under the power train warranty.

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      03-25-2011 12:19 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by robvan8 View Post
      My 2009 wolfsburg MIL light just went off, firing code p2015. My car has 36 500 miles on it, wondering if anyone has had this fixed under the power train warranty.
      It is covered under powetrain. I have yet to get it replaced (does not change driving at all) only cause they want to keep the car while part is on order, (3-4days) and they won't order the part till i drop my car of to have the work done. So Im waiting until I have another car to drive in interim whole manifold will need to be replaced. ECS sells the part for $200 if your'e out of warranty

    19. 06-12-2011 10:12 AM #19
      I just threw this code on my '09 GLI with 11K miles on it. Unfortunately the car has an R-title so no warranty coverage for me. I cleared the code after reading this thread, so we'll see if it's a persistent thing. I'm not familiar with ECS... got a link to the part?

      Thanks!

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      to the OP, how many miles are on your '09 GLI? you can just call VWoA and ask them what your current coverage is based upon miles on the car. if its under warranty just take it in to the dealer and thats it....
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      06-12-2011 10:53 AM #21
      my CEL went off at 41k and had the intake manifold replaced. just go in and make a stink, they'll replace it. just sucks being without car for a few days. if you search the TSI forum I think there is a thread on this issue.
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      06-12-2011 02:10 PM #22
      actually, I took the car back in and they said that it was a sensor and not the manifold, but then I asked a VW tech and he said the entire manifold needs to be replaced. I've been dragging my feet on the whole thing. Tomorrow I'll be dropping the car off most likely

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      02-02-2012 08:52 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by laramie1pt8t View Post
      it will be covered under your power train warranty full intake mani swap. 100% positive
      Quote Originally Posted by onevrsix View Post
      It is covered under powetrain.
      Sorry to resurrect an old thread. But I just got the CEL (2009 GLI with TSI engine), and a VAG-COM scan shows the "008213 - Intake Manifold Flap Position Sensor (Bank 1): Implausible Signal" fault.

      I cleared it yesterday, and it's back today. So I guess I'm going to be having my intake manifold replaced.

      The car's got almost 45,000 miles, so it's out of the bumper-to-bumper warranty.

      You guys are certain it would be covered under the powertrain warranty. But there are others, in other threads, who say that VW dealers have turned down this exact repair under the powertrain warranty.

      But I'm looking in the Warranty manual, and it does say that "manifolds" are covered as part of the powertrain. Since there are only two manifolds, that would seem to include the intake manifold, right?

      And they wouldn't be tempted to say, "Oh, the sensor's bad, but the manifold itself is just fine. Sorry"... would they?

      I'm just asking because I want to be sure before I take it to a VW dealer. I don't want them to take the car in, charge me a diagnostic fee, and then deny the warranty -- when I could have taken the car to my trusted independent dealer and have it done for less than VW -- but still a chunk of change.
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      02-03-2012 09:40 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by Marek K View Post
      Sorry to resurrect an old thread. But I just got the CEL (2009 GLI with TSI engine), and a VAG-COM scan shows the "008213 - Intake Manifold Flap Position Sensor (Bank 1): Implausible Signal" fault.

      I cleared it yesterday, and it's back today. So I guess I'm going to be having my intake manifold replaced.

      The car's got almost 45,000 miles, so it's out of the bumper-to-bumper warranty.

      You guys are certain it would be covered under the powertrain warranty. But there are others, in other threads, who say that VW dealers have turned down this exact repair under the powertrain warranty.

      But I'm looking in the Warranty manual, and it does say that "manifolds" are covered as part of the powertrain. Since there are only two manifolds, that would seem to include the intake manifold, right?

      And they wouldn't be tempted to say, "Oh, the sensor's bad, but the manifold itself is just fine. Sorry"... would they?

      I'm just asking because I want to be sure before I take it to a VW dealer. I don't want them to take the car in, charge me a diagnostic fee, and then deny the warranty -- when I could have taken the car to my trusted independent dealer and have it done for less than VW -- but still a chunk of change.
      Hey man I originally posted this thread. So here is the deal. The reason the "sensor" fails or sends an implausible signal is because the vacuum actuated arm on the right side of the manifold has failed (or a portion of it has failed). Technically the manifold itself hasn't yet failed but it's only a matter of time before it does. The flaps are getting stuck and not moving causing the sensor to read incorrect signals.

      It's like schrodinger cat theory; you know/think it's covered but won't know until you take the car to the dealer to have it checked out. But yuo don't have to do it at the dealer, the indie shop should honor VW powertrain. I'd hurry though because if you bought the car used the powertrain drops to 50k miles and not the 60k that comes with the original purchase.

      Good luck; my advice it to take it in

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      02-03-2012 09:56 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by onevrsix View Post
      Hey man I originally posted this thread. So here is the deal. The reason the "sensor" fails or sends an implausible signal is because the vacuum actuated arm on the right side of the manifold has failed (or a portion of it has failed). Technically the manifold itself hasn't yet failed but it's only a matter of time before it does. The flaps are getting stuck and not moving causing the sensor to read incorrect signals.
      I called the new (for me) VW dealer to whom I'm taking the car this afternoon (I'm defecting from my old VW dealer.)

      I asked the service rep whether my TSI intake manifold would be covered under the powertrain warranty (60,000 mi, since I'm the original owner). He immediately said, "intake manifold flap, eh?" He added that it is covered.

      We'll see when I take it in.

      Technically, since it's all one piece now (sensor and flap, parts of the manifold), I would argue that the sensor or flap failing would mean the manifold has failed.

      Again, we'll see.

      First I've heard that an independent shop would honor a VW warranty. How would that work?

      Oh by the way, what exactly does the manifold flap do? And why does it lead to long-term damage (intake, spark plugs)?

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      02-03-2012 10:54 AM #26
      The flap is to smooth out airflow into the intake manifolds; a lot of newer cars have them and every car I've owned with them have broke. My VR Jetta, Busted since day one, my BMW 330, Busted within 3 months of ownership, GLI, busted day one. Smooths out Idle, acceleration, and supposedly allows for better fuel economy. I ignored mine since It didn't cause any problems while driving, but after I went stage two, it became really apparent that it was an issue. eventually it blew out the side of my intake manifold. I went ahead and replaced the manifold myself an dit was a huge pia. I guess it all depends on what dealer you go to. My whole story was a mess but it is what it is, It's done now.

      If you mash the gas at like 2200 RPMs, you'll notice around 3k or so you'll feel a little kick, that's because the flap isn't operating as it should. (at least I felt a small kick)

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      02-08-2012 06:41 PM #27
      Update:

      I just got the GLI back from the dealer (Antwerpen VW in Pasadena, MD -- first time I've taken any of our VWs there).

      They covered the replacement of the intake manifold under the extended powertrain warranty -- zero charge.

      Took several days, becuase they apparently had to order the manifold.

      They also confirmed that the updated manifold looks like it's reinforced, compared with the original. So hopefully the problem won't come back.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Marek K View Post
      Update:

      I just got the GLI back from the dealer (Antwerpen VW in Pasadena, MD -- first time I've taken any of our VWs there).

      They covered the replacement of the intake manifold under the extended powertrain warranty -- zero charge.

      Took several days, becuase they apparently had to order the manifold.

      They also confirmed that the updated manifold looks like it's reinforced, compared with the original. So hopefully the problem won't come back.
      antwerpen vw did something good!? holy crap!!!! i usually take mine to russel over on route 40. i used to live in columbia, now in glen burnie, so i might start checking out anty
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      antwerpen vw did something good!? holy crap!!!! i usually take mine to russel over on route 40. i used to live in columbia, now in glen burnie, so i might start checking out anty
      Well, the service rep (Mike) seemed great. He did know I was a new customer, though.

      I've never tried Russell.

      I mentioned that I defected from another VW dealer, for cause. I'll leave it to you to figure out which one, by process of elimination...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Marek K View Post
      Well, the service rep (Mike) seemed great. He did know I was a new customer, though.

      I've never tried Russell.

      I mentioned that I defected from another VW dealer, for cause. I'll leave it to you to figure out which one, by process of elimination...
      well if you mean the piece of crap over on rt 198 then yes, i know what you mean. only reason i MIGHT go over that way now is for corridor
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      for corridor
      Huh?
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      Huh?
      http://www.corridorwine.com/eng/stor...cationId=17748

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      Quote Originally Posted by heimbachae View Post
      http://www.corridorwine.com/eng/stor...cationId=17748

      it's like a grocery store.... OF ALCOHOL!!!!!
      Oh, them... yeah. Fortunately, I know a closer liquor store where we can get cases of our favorite Codorniu Cava.

      Just to compare notes, here's the thread describing my problem with that dealer:

      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...cks&p=73107467

      As a footnote, after I e-mailed the service manager that I was done with his service operation, he sent me a saccharine reply saying that he was just "being cautious" -- oh, BS. No apology or hint of regret, even when it I'd proven he was wrong.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Marek K View Post
      Oh, them... yeah. Fortunately, I know a closer liquor store where we can get cases of our favorite Codorniu Cava.

      Just to compare notes, here's the thread describing my problem with that dealer:

      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...cks&p=73107467

      As a footnote, after I e-mailed the service manager that I was done with his service operation, he sent me a saccharine reply saying that he was just "being cautious" -- oh, BS. No apology or hint of regret, even when it I'd proven he was wrong.
      what's cordorniu cava? i've drank many things, never have i heard of it. oh and i'm talking about ourisman. where was the place that gave you issues?
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      02-08-2012 07:12 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by heimbachae View Post
      what's cordorniu cava? i've drank many things, never have i heard of it. oh and i'm talking about ourisman. where was the place that gave you issues?
      Cava is the Spanish name for sparkling wine. Codorniu Clasico/Original Brut is great -- if you hate sweet sparkling wine like I do (think Asti Spumanti -- ugh!!). And at less than $5 a bottle, Codorniu is hard to beat. At night int he hot tub with my wife/sweetie (same).

      And you do know, don't you, that champagne, chocolate, and cheesecake are all in the same food group?

      Yeah, Ourisman. Shame, because I had long-term loyalty to that place. Bought our Mk3 Jetta and B4 Passat there in 1996/1997, when it was still Tischer, before we got stationed in Europe for 10 years.

      Good parts guys, still. I'll buy parts there -- but service? Never again.
      Last edited by Marek K; 02-08-2012 at 07:16 PM.

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