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      05-16-2011 06:47 PM #141
      Quote Originally Posted by Deltac View Post
      I also tried to understand if it was a case of lift off oversteer, but I can't come to a final conclusion...

      The fact that he said it was the Porsche (and not the Corvette), makes me think that maybe the Porsche did have a leak that was discovered later on by the team or by marshalls...
      If you check the video at 0:57 (full screen 480), you will see what looks like oil smoke coming out from behind the Porsche.

      Does dropping oil on the track make the Porsche driver liable?
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      05-16-2011 06:48 PM #142
      Eh, I'd only have the balls to go full out in a beater, otherwise I'd cruise around at 80%. Kudos to those that risk their cars there.

      Motorcycle on the other hand, sooner or later I'll do it.
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      05-16-2011 06:48 PM #143
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      If you check the video at 0:57 (full screen 480), you will see what looks like oil smoke coming out from behind the Porsche.

      Does dropping oil on the track make the Porsche driver liable?
      I don't think so, not unless he was negligent (meaning knew car was leaking oil and didn't make a reasonable effort to exit the driving surface).

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      05-16-2011 06:58 PM #144
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      If you check the video at 0:57 (full screen 480), you will see what looks like oil smoke coming out from behind the Porsche.

      Does dropping oil on the track make the Porsche driver liable?
      I can't see the smoke, it looks more like reflections in the windshield...

      Upon closer inspection the first car doesn't seem to be a Porsche...

      But the guy is certain that A porsche did leave a streak of oil...he took the car back to Italy and is getting it repaired
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      05-16-2011 07:09 PM #145
      Quote Originally Posted by Deltac View Post
      I can't see the smoke, it looks more like reflections in the windshield...
      Not to my eyes.
      It looks like smoke is billowing out from behind the entire car.
      Maybe a rear end failure?

      Upon closer inspection the first car doesn't seem to be a Porsche...
      Yeah- some type of German Touring Car type race car.

      But the guy is certain that A porsche did leave a streak of oil...he took the car back to Italy and is getting it repaired
      Or in the heat of the moment he wasn't sure what the red car was and just assumed Porsche because it passed him so quickly.
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      05-16-2011 07:12 PM #146
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Not to my eyes.
      It looks like smoke is billowing out from behind the entire car.
      Maybe a rear end failure?



      Yeah- some type of German Touring Car type race car.



      Or in the heat of the moment he wasn't sure what the red car was and just assumed Porsche because it passed him so quickly.
      ye could be that he mistook the first car to be a Porsche...who knows...still a shame but I'm glad the guy is repairing the lotus
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      05-17-2011 01:39 PM #147
      getting back to the topic of oil....



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      09-29-2011 10:58 AM #149
      first time im made aware of the Nikki Lauda story. i knew his name, but didnt know about this crash. thanks for slipping that bit of knowledge in.

      and im also looking forward to ending my car's life on the Ring
      Quote Originally Posted by SuperGroove View Post
      "...you see an RX-8 has a rotary engine! Do you know what a rotary engine is? Well, the reason why I'm filling oil into my engine is...hello? where'd you go? It's injected into the combustion chamber and it LUBRICATES THE SEALS! IT LUBRICATES THE SEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALS"

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      09-29-2011 11:11 AM #150
      It's also funny to see how many videos have been removed since I started this thread.

      I assume they realized video evidence makes insurance fraud more difficult to pull off.

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      09-29-2011 11:12 AM #151
      Quote Originally Posted by unleashedd View Post
      first time im made aware of the Nikki Lauda story. i knew his name, but didnt know about this crash. thanks for slipping that bit of knowledge in.

      and im also looking forward to ending my car's life on the Ring

      Just be careful... A Brit killed his Clio and his passenger last month.

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      09-29-2011 11:22 AM #152
      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
      Just be careful... A Brit killed his Clio and his passenger last month.
      i would NEVER drive how i normally do if i had people in my car. but i would love to be a racecar passenger ("You really like TIDE?" "Can I turn on the radio?" "Why we gotta keep goin in circles?" RIP Mitch)
      Quote Originally Posted by SuperGroove View Post
      "...you see an RX-8 has a rotary engine! Do you know what a rotary engine is? Well, the reason why I'm filling oil into my engine is...hello? where'd you go? It's injected into the combustion chamber and it LUBRICATES THE SEALS! IT LUBRICATES THE SEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALS"

    13. 09-29-2011 11:31 AM #153
      Quote Originally Posted by Chapel View Post
      but just to put some relation here... how about a bone stock SRT4 going round the ring in 9:36
      Meh...mkv gti's do it under 9 and if i remember correctly the fwd biased mkiv r32 did it around 8:40ish

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      09-29-2011 11:37 AM #154
      Quote Originally Posted by vwlifer27 View Post
      Meh...mkv gti's do it under 9 and if i remember correctly the fwd biased mkiv r32 did it around 8:40ish
      MkVI Golf R: 8:23
      MkIV Golf R32: 8:37
      MkV Golf 35 Edition: 8:38
      MkV Golf R32: 8:49
      MkV Golf GTI: 8:53
      MkIV Golf GTI: 8:54
      MkIV Golf VR6 4motion: 9:09

      Most of the cars were driven by Sport Auto. I'm surprised that the MkV is only 1sec faster than the piggy, POS MkIV.

      source: http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html

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      09-29-2011 11:38 AM #155
      Quote Originally Posted by vwlifer27 View Post
      Meh...mkv gti's do it under 9 and if i remember correctly the fwd biased mkiv r32 did it around 8:40ish
      The laptime differece between a pro driver and an average enthusiast is measured in minutes on that track.

      Give the average TCL'r a GT-R or 911 Turbo and they'd be lucky to crack 10 minutes on their first day.

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      09-29-2011 12:32 PM #156
      Quote Originally Posted by Shomegrown View Post
      Give the average TCL'r a GT-R or 911 Turbo and they'd be lucky to crack 10 minutes on their first day.
      I think you're being generous. Memoring a short track can be tough in less than 1 day, but the 'ring?

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      09-29-2011 01:08 PM #157
      Quote Originally Posted by C4 A6 View Post
      I don't so much mind the car; it's the fact that 99% of the people who own it are chavs who think that it is the most godly car to ever grace (or in this case, not) the streets of America. I mean, IIRC, it doesn't even have front CAMBER stock. How the **** are you going to do ANYTHING on a road course without that? Sure, the SRT-4 is amazing at what it was built to do (drag racing), but when the owners start claiming BS, that's when I get pissed.

      I heard this from a track junkie: a Neon SRT-4 can't even out handle a schoolbus on a road course
      shut the **** up

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      10-03-2011 04:01 AM #158
      From this weekend...


      I thought every European and Brit was an amazing racedriver?



    19. 10-03-2011 05:13 AM #159
      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
      From this weekend...

      I thought every European and Brit was an amazing racedriver?
      Out of interest, who has ever said this? Genuine question. It's one of those memes that gets quoted regularly but I don't recall the thread where someone first claimed it


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      10-03-2011 05:27 AM #160
      Quote Originally Posted by Mikedav View Post
      Out of interest, who has ever said this? Genuine question. It's one of those memes that gets quoted regularly but I don't recall the thread where someone first claimed it

      I cant't think of a specific instance in TCL... It's just the general eurosnobbery espoused by Car Loungers really.

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      10-03-2011 05:44 AM #161
      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
      I cant't think of a specific instance in TCL... It's just the general eurosnobbery espoused by Car Loungers really.
      eh, having recently gone through the full-bore German driver training experience, I'd say that the average driver in Germany is far far better trained than the average driver in the US. However, I don't want to get into how this translates to the track, aside from the fact that you do have to do four hours of high(er)-speed training as part of the requirements for the license. You also have to do five hours of roads that are a lot like the Nordschleife, but it is hardly under the conditions that tend to dominate tourist days.

      In a nutshell, put a noob German up against a noob American out on a Tourist day, and the German will have a far lower chance of balling up on the track. Lap times are anyone's guess, but you have to finish if you want a time.
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      10-03-2011 09:08 AM #162
      Quote Originally Posted by vwlifer27 View Post
      Meh...mkv gti's do it under 9 and if i remember correctly the fwd biased mkiv r32 did it around 8:40ish
      right, but the video I was referencing was just one guy... give it to the driver of whoever is knocking off those laps and it'll probably be better.

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      10-03-2011 10:17 AM #163
      Here's the video leading to the crash...

      http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=8eTFBliKnZg

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      10-03-2011 10:19 AM #164
      Quote Originally Posted by atomicalex View Post
      eh, having recently gone through the full-bore German driver training experience, I'd say that the average driver in Germany is far far better trained than the average driver in the US. However, I don't want to get into how this translates to the track, aside from the fact that you do have to do four hours of high(er)-speed training as part of the requirements for the license. You also have to do five hours of roads that are a lot like the Nordschleife, but it is hardly under the conditions that tend to dominate tourist days.

      In a nutshell, put a noob German up against a noob American out on a Tourist day, and the German will have a far lower chance of balling up on the track. Lap times are anyone's guess, but you have to finish if you want a time.
      Germans love classes, certifications, and following the rules... So, fundamentally the Germans are better. That being said, in reality there are just as many retards driving in Germany as the US.

    25. 10-03-2011 10:25 AM #165
      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
      Here's the video leading to the crash...

      http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=8eTFBliKnZg
      A big accident seemed pretty inevitable?

      Last time I went they close the circuit for the smallest thing -even a smashed tailight on the track

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      10-03-2011 11:21 AM #166
      Quote Originally Posted by Mikedav View Post
      A big accident seemed pretty inevitable?

      Last time I went they close the circuit for the smallest thing -even a smashed tailight on the track
      This is why I try to go early in the season... There were lots of complaints that it was entirely too crowded this weekend. They really need to start regulating the amount of cars out on the track.

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      03-20-2012 08:28 PM #167
      Bump for the lulz.

      Unfortunately many videos are deleted - surely because video evidence of your insurance (fraud) claim and wadding up a rental car where you're not supposed to isn't the best thing to have lying around.

      I'll search for some more...

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      03-20-2012 09:00 PM #168
      Here's a nice compilation...


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      03-20-2012 09:05 PM #169
      This mistake cost the driver of this rental Porsche about $100k out of pocket.


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      03-20-2012 09:17 PM #170
      OMG, watch the RINGMINI pass the RingTaxi at 5:50! He pulled it off!

      On busy days, the Nordschleife is more like a circus than a racetrack. This video is absolutely worth watching all the way through for comedic value.


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      03-20-2012 09:27 PM #171
      Some close calls and beautiful Porsche flat 6 sounds in this one...


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      03-20-2012 09:29 PM #172
      Meh, it's just a Corsa. Who cares.


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      03-20-2012 09:31 PM #173
      Don't VTAK or you could be ded? Or Dave Zero goes to Deutschland?


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      03-21-2012 07:36 AM #174
      Bump.

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      03-21-2012 10:47 AM #175
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      Don't VTAK or you could be ded? Or Dave Zero goes to Deutschland?

      WTF did he touch the brakes after the rear and started to slide??????
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