Public Service Annoucement: Stop wearing black dress shirts to work

[Papa Dras]

Along those lines, I'd go so far as to recommend buying shirts that fit you. Clothes for that matter.

[Egilbe]

Along those lines, I'd go so far as to recommend buying shirts that fit you. Clothes for that matter.

Whatever happened to tapered dress shirts? If I buy dress shirts that fit in the chest/shoulders, there's too much material around my waist.

[Papa Dras]

Not sure, but I used to buy dress shirts and get them tailored. But now everyone makes fitted shirts with a slim cut and they fit great.

[ClockworkChad]

Not sure, but I used to buy dress shirts and get them tailored. But now everyone makes fitted shirts with a slim cut and they fit great.

[GreenandChrome]

Whatever happened to tapered dress shirts? If I buy dress shirts that fit in the chest/shoulders, there's too much material around my waist.

America's obesity happened.

[retro_rocket]

About slim/fitted shirts - be careful when buying, because while a lot of us use those terms interchangeably, they're not always the same thing. "Fitted" shirts typically have a normal cut across the shoulders and upper chest, then taper in from the chest down. However, "slim" shirts are often cut smaller the whole way through the shirt - smaller/narrower across the shoulders and chest, as well as down through the midsection. YMMV depending on the brand but if you're looking at a brand you don't normally buy, definitely try it on first. "Slim" shirts don't always fit those of us with broad chests and shoulders, or muscular builds, whereas "fitted" typically will.

[Jimmy Bionic]

So you like to tuck it in your arse area do you?

That's exactly what I mean, I tuck it INTO my ass. I actually originally wrote "behind me", but it sounded weird too. Anyway, fitted shirts are hard to find, i am a 16.5-17 neck, 35 sleeve and 34-35" waist, apparently most people with those neck/sleeve sizes have a 40" waist. I've tried every major manufacturer. I did try a tailor once, but it's just such a hassle.

[rockhog]

most everything is covered in p1:
-LIGHT colors only.
-LIGHT is not the same as BRIGHT - neons DONT COUNT
-stripes and patterns are absolutely fine as long as theyre subtle
--this means THIN pencil stripes, bengal stripes, narrow gingham, etc.. preferably alternating with white / white-base

ive basically reworked my entire wardrobe over last 2 years and the shirts are multiple hues of blue (eg french blue, blue, light blue), white, and lavendar... some in solids, stripes, ginghams, some button downs, some spread collars (never point collar - yuck)

[tjl]

Whatever happened to tapered dress shirts? If I buy dress shirts that fit in the chest/shoulders, there's too much material around my waist.

You're not obese enough like the majority of dress shirt buying American men.

[tjl]

Anyway, fitted shirts are hard to find, i am a 16.5-17 neck, 35 sleeve and 34-35" waist, apparently most people with those neck/sleeve sizes have a 40" waist.

16.5" neck is assumed to have a 44" chest and 38" waist, while 17" neck is assumed to have a 46" chest and 40" waist, in US standard clothing sizes. However, it would not be surprising if clothing companies made dress shirts generous in the waist, since the older men demographic that buys them tends to be more obese than the standard size.

[Madmartigan]

oh hi guis!

i was just wondering how i'd go about filing a small claims court case against clockworkchad for his ill advise about not wearing a black shirt to work.

i followed his advice and wore a pink shirt to work, and as a result i've lost my job as a funeral director because they thought i wasn't taking my job seriously & conducting myself professionally by not wearing a black shirt.

f u, chad.

[89fuchswagen]

White socks at work? thats a joke right? if its anything other than your first day at a real job thats unacceptable.

May I ask why? I have never been in the professional or office place work setting so I have no clue as to why this is unacceptable. It just seems socks are socks.

[GreenandChrome]

May I ask why? I have never been in the professional or office place work setting so I have no clue as to why this is unacceptable. It just seems socks are socks.

http://www.askmen.com/fashion/fashio...on_advice.html

[Egilbe]

I probably have 20 pairs of white cotton ankle socks, but then again, I mostly wear jeans or shorts and sneakers, and synthetic socks make my feet feel slimy.

[ClockworkChad]

May I ask why? I have never been in the professional or office place work setting so I have no clue as to why this is unacceptable. It just seems socks are socks.

i meant in a more business/business casual setting.

A white mid calf athletic sock with a dress shoe, dress pants is a big mistake. if your wearing jeans and workboots or jeans and sneakers at work its fine.

My office is business casual, we just have to wear ties, and we never have meetings with clients face to face. So, i wear desert boots to work and I wear a no show black puma sock with it. It isnt EXACTLY proper, but again no one sees and im not wearing dress pants, i wear flat front khakis.

[GreenandChrome]

Oh SNAP! I just saw Chad's favorite guy.

White button-down shirt, brown bomber jacket, black slacks that were practically he-capris, white socks, black shoes.

As a reference point, I'm wearing blue slacks, blue socks, brown leather shoes, brown belt, white on white thin-striped shirt, no tie.

[ClockworkChad]

Oh SNAP! I just saw Chad's favorite guy.

White button-down shirt, brown bomber jacket, black slacks that were practically he-capris, white socks, black shoes.

As a reference point, I'm wearing blue slacks, blue socks, brown leather shoes, brown belt, white on white thin-striped shirt, no tie.

[GreenandChrome]

FYI for the folks trying to update their wardrobe:

http://artofmanliness.com/2011/04/26...ith-shirt-suit

[EC Transplant]

all of the above, and its just extremely unprofessional.

Define professional? Please, I'm all ears.

So, what about architects, industrial designers, ad agency honchos, and generally people that work in an a professional environment ableit a creative one? Those folks aren't professional?

I think you're trying to over-generalize a bit here and just because black dress shirts don't fit your criteria or your work's criteria of professional attire doesn't mean it is unprofessional.

I just think you have a bias based on the current pop culture and it's portrayal of black dress shirts.

[miscbrah]

You wouldn't see red/black/gray/etc.. dress shirts in any sort of professional setting 50 years ago. There's not a single situation where a standard white shirt wouldn't look better. If your grandfather wouldn't wear it to work, you shouldn't either.

[ClockworkChad]

Define professional? Please, I'm all ears.

So, what about architects, industrial designers, ad agency honchos, and generally people that work in an a professional environment ableit a creative one? Those folks aren't professional?

I think you're trying to over-generalize a bit here and just because black dress shirts don't fit your criteria or your work's criteria of professional attire doesn't mean it is unprofessional.

I just think you have a bias based on the current pop culture and it's portrayal of black dress shirts.

im biased because its unprofessional. a black dress shirt isnt creative, it just makes you look like ****. get creative with the tie if you have some burning desire to show everyone how unique you are. current pop culture? a black dress shirt has never been professional.

[Hostile]

Another vote for "fitted" or "tailored" fit shirts. I have broad shoulders and a broad back, but any normal cut shirt looks like I'm wearing a tent around my mid-section.

[EC Transplant]

im biased because its unprofessional. a black dress shirt isnt creative, it just makes you look like ****. get creative with the tie if you have some burning desire to show everyone how unique you are. current pop culture? a black dress shirt has never been professional.

Still have not said what is un-professional about it. So again, why?

Is it because it is not defined as being traditionally professional attire? It is not considered classical piece, but calling it un-professional is going a bit far.

[EC Transplant]

You wouldn't see red/black/gray/etc.. dress shirts in any sort of professional setting 50 years ago. There's not a single situation where a standard white shirt wouldn't look better. If your grandfather wouldn't wear it to work, you shouldn't either.

Sounds like you are just regurgitating information poured into your head by magazines and the interbwebz.

Dressing conventions change from generation to generation. I agree that there are classics that will never go out of style.

There are industries out there where if you dress "like your grandfather," you will easily be overlooked or considred "stuffy" and "old-fashioned."

[Egilbe]

Sounds like you are just regurgitating information poured into your head by magazines and the interbwebz.

Dressing conventions change from generation to generation. I agree that there are classics that will never go out of style.

There are industries out there where if you dress "like your grandfather," you will easily be overlooked or considred "stuffy" and "old-fashioned."

You do realize that successful businesses are run by businessmen, not fad-conscious hipsters, right? You will be assimilated!

Black shirts are for night clubs, not professional business attire

[ClockworkChad]

Sounds like you are just regurgitating information poured into your head by magazines and the interbwebz.

Dressing conventions change from generation to generation. I agree that there are classics that will never go out of style.

There are industries out there where if you dress "like your grandfather," you will easily be overlooked or considred "stuffy" and "old-fashioned."

what do you do for work where you are wearing black dress shirts?

[GreenandChrome]

what do you do for work where you are wearing black dress shirts?

Bartender.



It's universally accepted that dark colors and/or neon colors are not professional business attire. Not by what is published online or in a magazine, by what people wear. Outside of movies, I rarely, if ever, see a lawyer wear a color other than blue or pink or some variation of white. What does The Donald wear? What does the POTUS & VPOTUS wear?

I work for a NPO that serves design professionals, and no one dresses outside of what we've said here. Ill-fitting, yes. Everyone wears suits, slacks, or khakis, with the occasional pair of jeans (usually me).

Take a gander at this dress code- from a tech consultancy: http://www.dba-oracle.com/dress_code.htm

[ClockworkChad]

Bartender.



It's universally accepted that dark colors and/or neon colors are not professional business attire. Not by what is published online or in a magazine, by what people wear. Outside of movies, I rarely, if ever, see a lawyer wear a color other than blue or pink or some variation of white. What does The Donald wear? What does the POTUS & VPOTUS wear?

I work for a NPO that serves design professionals, and no one dresses outside of what we've said here. Ill-fitting, yes. Everyone wears suits, slacks, or khakis, with the occasional pair of jeans (usually me).

Take a gander at this dress code- from a tech consultancy: http://www.dba-oracle.com/dress_code.htm

i see alot of black dress shirts on used car salesmen too, usually with a god awful tie. and the black dress shirt is rarely new and fresh, its usually dingy and faded. I see alot of IT guys wearing them too.

[Papa Dras]

hey, watch it..

[ClockworkChad]

hey, watch it..

cmon dras, we all know your the stylish IT guy that girls break their computers on purpose for

[PolskiHetzen]

Bartender.



It's universally accepted that dark colors and/or neon colors are not professional business attire. Not by what is published online or in a magazine, by what people wear. Outside of movies, I rarely, if ever, see a lawyer wear a color other than blue or pink or some variation of white. What does The Donald wear? What does the POTUS & VPOTUS wear?

I work for a NPO that serves design professionals, and no one dresses outside of what we've said here. Ill-fitting, yes. Everyone wears suits, slacks, or khakis, with the occasional pair of jeans (usually me).

Take a gander at this dress code- from a tech consultancy: http://www.dba-oracle.com/dress_code.htm

If that's the picture of the guy, he looks like a he's saying "prepare your anus".

And while he seems to think/know about work dress codes, he should talk to someone about how to design a tasteful website. All those sh-tty adds on the side are so classy.

While I agree with some of the things he says, I think he takes it a bit too far. Also the fact that the only watch brand that he mentions is Rolex, makes me a bit

[ClockworkChad]

Body Art - Of course our dress code prohibits tattoos. They can be seen as unprofessional, low-class and ignorant , and at no time may a consultant have a visible tattoo. Read details about why most corporations prohibit tattoos


I should have referenced that earlier when their was the 'should my daughter pierce her tounge' thread in the off topic forum.

thats funny about the woman and the ties. If i saw a woman with a skirtsuit and a mans tie i might laugh out loud.

[EC Transplant]

what do you do for work where you are wearing black dress shirts?

Architect and Senior Designer for a a Civil Engineering firm. It really is irrelevant because this is the internet and I could have told you I owned a Fortune 500 company. What do you sell again?

So the only thing anyone has been able to produce is that in Corporate America, there is a dress code. It doesn't prohibit black shirts specifically, but may caution against wearing somthing "too bright." That really isn't anything new.

[EC Transplant]

Bartender.
Take a gander at this dress code- from a tech consultancy: http://www.dba-oracle.com/dress_code.htm

The bartender you make fun of probably makes more money than half the people posting in this thread.

And that site is so tastefully designed.

[ClockworkChad]

Architect and Senior Designer for a a Civil Engineering firm. It really is irrelevant because this is the internet and I could have told you I owned a Fortune 500 company. What do you sell again?

So the only thing anyone has been able to produce is that in Corporate America, there is a dress code. It doesn't prohibit black shirts specifically, but may caution against wearing somthing "too bright." That really isn't anything new.

im a recruiter