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      04-27-2011 06:37 PM #1
      Hi, my name's Paul Eddleston and I finally got round to introducung myself to this group. I recently took delivery of a beautiful 85 quattro that was previously owned by an Audi friend. I thoiught I'd start a journal-like thread about it and post some pictures



      I know a few members on this forum already but some of you may know me from by business venture: Team Illuminata Motorsport, also known as TIM but not to be confused with the URQ owner Tim in the UP of Michigan. http://www.teamilluminata.com/

      I grew up in England watching Rallying on TV but really got into the sport around the time the Group B monsters were arriving so you can imagine why I'm here now and why I'm so excited to finally have my quattro. I race a Subaru in RallyCross and autocross and do some track days too and I also crew at rallies for various teams if I'm not in the vendor area flogging our products.

      Hope to see you and your cars at some events soon.
















      So here is what I know about the car:

      "One of the best examples of the classic ur quattro available. Very rare Canadian car. Original Tornado Red paint with black leather interior. 1 of only 17 quattros imported to Canada in 1985! Desirable and rare non-sunroof version. 167,000 KM. Clear Michigan title. Retains original metric instruments - I did not convert anything when I imported this car to the USA.

      Over the course of the past 3 years, this car has been totally sorted out by Phil at Auto Europe in Birmingham. Phil was an Audi mechanic back when these cars were brand new. I basically gave him permission to check and correct anything that needed attention. The car was great when I bought it, but it's even better now! New hard fuel lines, clutch and slave cylinders, hydraulic bomb, alternator, starter, water pump, timing belt. tires, battery, master cylinder, rear differential bushing, center driveshaft bearing, etc., etc. The car has a modified head and a modified ECU to allow use of the Euro wastegate spring. A joy to drive. This must be what it was like to drive one of these cars brand new. No rattles or squeaks. Strong performer."

      Certainly couldn't take issue with any of that and I've known Curt for a few years as a customer at my shop and when I worked at Auto Europe. I was just starting to think about buying a classic when this showed up. I thought I might import an Opel Manta from Europe. That's the car I had when I moved to the US around 20 years ago. I thought it was time to get one back. But then I saw this and it was obvious this was the car I should have. I grew up watching Group B rally in the forests in England and the quattro has always been my favorite Group B monster. Just the noise alone is enough to get my heart racing. Indeed, as I like to tell people, this car is why I now own a motorsports business and race RallyCross, autocross etc. Plus, it would be good that the car stay in Michigan where Curt could keep an eye on it.

      I’ve had the car here for a couple of weeks now and driven it a couple of times. My goals for the car are to keep it in its original condition while fixing some of its issues and not-quite-original features. My list is already long but does not reflect the condition of the car but my mental condition of list making and nit-picking. Here are the highlights of what needs attention IMHO:


      Restore leather seats
      Hot starting issues
      Small dent in hood
      Should it have Center console?
      How much clutch is left?
      Oil change
      Passenger door lock inoperative
      Driver’s window seal loose
      Handbrake boot fits poorly
      Fuel leak smell
      Passenger window sticks at 2” drop
      Pass seat adjuster loose
      Vent broken center
      Passenger door pocket coming away
      Rear diff damp-reseal
      Right rear wheel creaks
      Wipers slow
      Gearbox play, mounts?
      Rust spots, leading edge of hood, and fender in engine bay
      Wrong headlights
      Door bars missing
      A/C removed engine bay, replace
      Trunk carpet screws missing
      Engine under tray missing right side
      Radio too new and blingy
      Upper front strut mounts loose
      Rear brake lines rusty
      Front ball joints
      Lower control arm bushings iffy
      Left front cv boot getting brittle
      Volts-volt and oil temp meters behave oddly
      Door carpet coming away
      Non-original steering wheel
      Trunk strut inoperative.
      Key fob light
      Exhaust crooked
      Jack missing
      Speaker cover loose
      Non-original speakers


      I might need help with some of these. Prepare yourselves for many questions. Obviously some of these are urgent and necessary, others trivial nit-picking but you can’t beat having a list. I’m sure it will grow rather than shrink even if I do check some off.

      I still find it immensely ironic that, considering that I’m so into rally, have a rally related business and love to drive sideways that I bought a car that I can neither drive in the snow or on the loose. I guess I’ll have to limit my fun to wet roundabouts, the three or four that exist in SE Michigan. I may do the odd autocross in it or maybe a track day. Do they have track days for classics? I already took it round Waterford Hills track at the recent track day but only during the parade laps at lunchtime. Twas quite fun. Probably, this is what I’ll do most with the car. Just take it to local motorsport events and shows so people can enjoy seeing it. I am going to slap some BRAID wheels on it and a discreet windshield banner in white “BRAIDUSA.com” though as it has to earn it’s keep somehow.

      These are the wheels that are on a boat in the Atlantic right now. What do you think?




      I chose them because they are very reminiscent of the works wheels used on the S1, at least in my opinion. I ordered them in the same specs as the originals. I’ll use the Kumho 225/50-15 tires that came on the OE Ronals. Curt also gave me a set of BFG 215/50-15 which was the OE size but I’m not sure what to do with those yet.

      Hopefully I’ll remember to update this page with news of the car's development and outings. Meanwhile, if you have any questions or suggestions let me know. I’m all ears, as some of you already know.

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      05-01-2011 10:03 PM #2
      My friend, this is a dream come true, enjoy.

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      Wow, very nice! welcome.

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      05-12-2011 04:00 PM #4
      Thanks guys

      It's a nice dream.

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      05-13-2011 12:06 AM #5
      Congratulations!!!
      Beautiful car, I've seen that one around before...always lovely.

      You have quite an extensive list of to-do's

      You may already well know this....

      The lamps are yes "incorrect" but are correct for all of the Quattros everywhere else on the planet besides North America.

      If you're going to try to go with the stock lamps for an '85, best of luck finding a set in good condition. They are extremely rare as they only came on North American '85's...and the light output from the stock units is quite horrible compared to the H1/H4's you currently have.


      Would you mind sharing the last 4 numbers of your VIN? I like to keep track of other '85's out there, to see if any are close in build # to my car.
      If you have a 5 cylinder, you don't need a stereo.

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      05-13-2011 12:12 AM #6
      ..ohh..and the wipers are always slow on these cars!!!
      And there is no center console past the shifter...just carpet where the e-brake lever is.
      The center vent can be found on any 85-87 Audi 4000, or Coupe. Dirt cheap.
      If you have a 5 cylinder, you don't need a stereo.

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      05-13-2011 08:20 AM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Sepp View Post
      ..ohh..and the wipers are always slow on these cars!!!
      And there is no center console past the shifter...just carpet where the e-brake lever is.
      The center vent can be found on any 85-87 Audi 4000, or Coupe. Dirt cheap.
      Thanks Sepp. I'll PM the VIN to you later. Don't seem to have it here.

      Good to know about the wipers. I've been told one can "rebuild" them. The suggestion being that the grease gets old in there somewhere. Know anything about that? I learned about the center console from another owner. My 1/18 '85 has one but apparantly that model is not so accurate. Does the vent come out easily or is it a full dash removal exercise? I don't think I want to replace the headlamps. I agree that the originals are not as good and look ugly but it would be nice to have a set in case they become an asset for the car one day.

      So where can I find out information on your car?

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      05-13-2011 08:42 AM #8
      My new BRAID wheels come in on Monday along with a couple of hundred others.



      I'm not sure what tires to put on them. Currently I have some Kumho AST 225/50-15 on the original Ronal aloys and a set of unmounted BFG in the original size of 215/50-15. The easiest thing to do would be to put the BFG on the new wheels then I'd at least have two working sets available. The "proper" thing to do might be to put the 225 on the BRAIDs and the 215 on the Audi wheels for "originallty's" sake. However, both sets of tires are going to age out before they wear out so one set is just going to be sat there wasting away. Perhaps I should get rid of one set but which. 215/50-15 are quite hard to find now but I like the look of the wider 225.

      What to do?

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      05-14-2011 11:48 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by team illuminata View Post
      Thanks Sepp. I'll PM the VIN to you later. Don't seem to have it here.

      Good to know about the wipers. I've been told one can "rebuild" them. The suggestion being that the grease gets old in there somewhere. Know anything about that? I learned about the center console from another owner. My 1/18 '85 has one but apparantly that model is not so accurate. Does the vent come out easily or is it a full dash removal exercise? I don't think I want to replace the headlamps. I agree that the originals are not as good and look ugly but it would be nice to have a set in case they become an asset for the car one day.

      So where can I find out information on your car?
      Mine are slow, but not so much that it's a problem vision-wise..even up here in the PNW.
      The grease makes sense. You can confirm proper voltage to the motor to make sure...
      "85's don't have the wiring issues the earlier cars have, but it doesn't hurt to check.

      With the vents, (working from memory here) there's 4 clips that hold it onto the dashboard, and it slips right over the ducting. So, no need for a dash pull, but it's a bit challenging getting the piece out. I usually pop one side out, and work the other side, as I only have two hands.

      If you have a replacement vent on hand, and your sure it's the correct piece, you can pop out the grilles with some pliers(on the broken unit), and that will give you better access to the retaining clips.

      And just the opposite of you, my car is US Spec, and is currently in Canada!!
      I'm still awaiting enough $$, and time to get it shipped across the continent.
      I was doing a restoration (the 2nd), and was transferred across country super last minuet....so it's far from pretty.
      If you have a 5 cylinder, you don't need a stereo.

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      05-21-2011 12:59 AM #10
      ..if you're smelling gas in the cabin, it could be two things that I've already BTDT.

      First if it smells like gas in your trunk, you can check the fuel tank vent hose.
      Its a rubber hose, and has a cloth covering. The rubber is 26 years old ,and mine had some very small cracks in it.
      I easily found a replacement at the local auto parts store.

      Here's a picture of where it is.
      You'll have to pull out all of the carpeting, and side panels in the trunk to access the fuel tank.

      Please excuse the shoddy photoshop....but you get my point.


      If you get a strong gas smell with the windows down, you might have a disconnected hose that runs to your charcoal canister, located underneath the passenger front fender.
      Again, the hoses are rubber, and tend to crack at the connection point..and easily pull off over the years.

      The car in the pic is stripped down, to show the exact location.
      You'll best need to jack the car up, and remove the tire to gain proper access.
      There should be plenty of slack in the hose to trim a bit off, and re-connect.

      If you have a 5 cylinder, you don't need a stereo.

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      05-21-2011 07:56 AM #11
      Thanks man. I did look at that hose briefly and it seems awefully soft. Can you still buy the riginal replacement? I'm trying to keep the car as original as possible.

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      05-21-2011 11:58 AM #12
      I'll look up the part number...you never know what's avail. from Audi these days.
      Sometimes they surprise me.

      if not, you can still locate the fabric covered hose from a specialized vendor.
      If you have a 5 cylinder, you don't need a stereo.

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      05-22-2011 02:50 PM #13
      please disregard this post in its previous state.
      Last edited by Sepp; 05-22-2011 at 10:50 PM.
      If you have a 5 cylinder, you don't need a stereo.

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      05-26-2011 08:11 AM #14
      Had the car detailed by Ray's Auto Detail in Pontiac this week. It was already clean by my standards but now I understand what really clean is. After using his clay bar Ray made the paint as smooth as a baby's bum. I've never owned a car I had to keep clean; my other car is a rallycross beater. I don't even own any cleaning supplies or equipment except for a bucket! I have a lot to learn.





















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      05-26-2011 08:45 PM #15
      Looks great!!!

      And must sound really good running it around inside that building.
      If you have a 5 cylinder, you don't need a stereo.

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      05-27-2011 07:50 AM #16
      It sounds good anywhere but bridges, tunnels and industrial buildings are where it excels.

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      05-27-2011 04:38 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by team illuminata View Post
      It sounds good anywhere but bridges, tunnels and industrial buildings are where it excels.

      I totally agree!


      ..and not to hijack your thread, but your car, with the country of origin sticker where it is gives me flash backs of my car when it was red!
      Last edited by Sepp; 05-27-2011 at 05:07 PM.
      If you have a 5 cylinder, you don't need a stereo.

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      05-27-2011 09:40 PM #18
      Nice. What color is it now? That looks just like my car!

      I thought the "D" stood for "Detroit" !

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      05-28-2011 04:51 PM #19
      Yes! Detroit!

      It originally was Graphite metallic. And I did a quickie resto on it, and converted it over to T-red..that was supposed to be just a 2 year paint job, which stayed on the car for 8 years!
      Right now, it's white (to keep it from flash rusting) and plans are to do a bare metal respray in Oceanic Blue...
      If you have a 5 cylinder, you don't need a stereo.

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      06-01-2011 08:55 AM #20
      Well the wheels finally came in and I immediately slapped some tires on them and bolted them on the car. What do you think?



      Then I took it out to the lake for Memorial Day.







      In case you're curious the wheels are BRAID Serie 6 R 3 piece, 15x8 with 225/50-15 Kumho tires.

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      07-18-2011 04:57 PM #21
      Sorry chaps, it's been a while since I have had chance to update this thread. I'd like to think that since putting the BRAID wheels on the car our sales have gone through the roof and I have just been too busy fulfilling orders to post. Well, that's only half the case, I've also been kept busy keeping cars on the road. None of my four cars, including this one, have been behaving themselves so far this summer but at least it gives me plenty to write about here. So what's been going on? Well:

      The first hiccup of the season became apparant when the car became hard to start. I'd noticed lately I'd had to turn the key a little more "aggresively" sometimes but then it became impossible to get the car to turn over at all. Thankfully it did this at the shop and not 1000 miles from home. It was clear contact was not being made in the ignition switch and all kinds of horrors about getting a new one and taking apart the steering column went through my mind. As it turned out it was surprisingly simple to sort out on both fronts. First off, my local O'rielly's had the switch on the shelf. God knows why but bless their little Irish souls non the less. Now, to put it in. I approached with trepidation but needn't have. AllData give pretty explicit instructions.

      Remove the steering wheel, column shround and indicator stalks. Then pry off the spring washer that holds on the spring and you are left with this:


      Then you remove that pinch bolt and the ignition switch housing slides up the column and lands on your bench:


      Just remove that small phillips head screw to relaese the switch and pop in the new one. Needless to say, assembly is the reverse of disassembly but getting the spring wash in place was a little tricky. I used a 19mm impact socket and a hammer to drive it home. You don't need a lot of force, probably because you are supossed to use a new washer but once the steering wheel is back on it can't go anywhere.

      Job done. Car's good for the summer but maybe I should just change the oil first. How hard could it be?

      So I put the car on lift and look where the oil filter should be and bloody hell, there's two of the buggers! I was so stunned I forgot to take a picture! So off to the store to find a second filter. Apparantly it's for the turbo. Why ddin't you guys tell me about this? Well, just before taking off I decide to have a look around under there and WTF is that all over my nice new BRAID wheel?



      CV grease. That's what.


      Oh man. Ah well. new axle, 20 minutes of a job. How hard could it be. Well, I couldn't find an axle but I did find a CV boot. No, not at O'rielly's this time but my friends at Auto Europe hooked me up with one from Worldpac. Not OE but something appropriately German. They even slapped it on for me once I got the axle out which was a bit of a trial due to the lack of space to manouver it around.

      Undo these at the tranny end


      Take of the brakes and axle nut


      then realise there's not enough room for the axle to slide out of the wheel bearing.


      Have a cup of tea and then get creative with the jack.


      Voila. Off to Auto Europe with you.


      Strip the old boot. Remove the C clip and hit it with a BFG, gently of course.


      Put on new boot. Run back to shop. Forget to take photo. Installation was the reverse and simple but being in there did inspire me to take on refurbishing the front suspension. So went on a quest for upper strut mounts, anti roll bar bushings, lower ball joints and even some strut inserts.

      Drove the car home that night to celebrate. Look, it even made it. But there is a reason it is on the street and not up the driveway.


      More on that later. I need a rest.

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      07-19-2011 09:53 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by team illuminata View Post
      Drove the car home that night to celebrate. Look, it even made it. But there is a reason it is on the street and not up the driveway.
      The oil line going from the oil filter to the oil cooler let go

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      07-20-2011 08:39 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Quattro Krant View Post
      The oil line going from the oil filter to the oil cooler let go
      Haha. nice guess. Something totally unrelated though a common issue, apparantly.

      More later.

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      07-21-2011 10:29 PM #24
      Throttle cable bushings?

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      07-22-2011 01:59 PM #25
      No. shift linkage bushing disintegrated. I can only find 3rd and 4th. I have two new bushings: an OE and a 034 Motorsports but it looks real tight in there so I may just take it in. I can still get 1st and 2nd when it's cold but reverse is MIA.

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