2.0T Coilpacks and spark plug gap, trying random new stuff.

[erevlydeux]

Seems like 2 pages ago, I mentioned the lack of cheapness for 1 set.

I am def in for a group buy at 10 people value of $36.

I responded to you in PM, and I need to edit my original post... but the values listed were what it will actually cost per person to even get the spacers made. It is not the price you would pay to me to get them.

[05GTIMarine]

Seems like 2 pages ago, I mentioned the lack of cheapness for 1 set.

I am def in for a group buy at 10 people value of $36.

and for multiple sets they just multiplied 71 x the number of plates. and they were thinking that i would not understand how machining costs affect product cost, but at 71 dollars a plate jeesh.

heres what i figure.

material costs for one set: 20 dollars

for a 1'x1'x1/2" piece of aluminum its roughly 60 bucks and you can get about 16 plates of that much material. 1x2 is 100 dollars and so on. the bigger piece of aluminum you get the cheaper the cost.

designing and programming
50 bucks as it is a simple design and simply takes minutes

bit wear and replacement
? as i do not know tooling but i would imagine pretty cheap as they use one bit for quite a while.

profit. alot seeing as they wanted to charge me 71 dollars for each piece and wouldnt budge when i told them that i knew how much it cost for the material. he tried teling me it cost 60 dollars for one piece of aluminum lol

[ejg3855]

and for multiple sets they just multiplied 71 x the number of plates. and they were thinking that i would not understand how machining costs affect product cost, but at 71 dollars a plate jeesh.

heres what i figure.

material costs for one set: 20 dollars

for a 1'x1'x1/2" piece of aluminum its roughly 60 bucks and you can get about 16 plates of that much material. 1x2 is 100 dollars and so on. the bigger piece of aluminum you get the cheaper the cost.

designing and programming
50 bucks as it is a simple design and simply takes minutes

bit wear and replacement
? as i do not know tooling but i would imagine pretty cheap as they use one bit for quite a while.

profit. alot seeing as they wanted to charge me 71 dollars for each piece and wouldnt budge when i told them that i knew how much it cost for the material. he tried teling me it cost 60 dollars for one piece of aluminum lol

I appreciate your effort but you don't have the concept quite down here.

That 1' x 1' piece of aluminum is sub $20 at any good shop.

The programming and setup time is prolly 1hr at most typical shop rates vary from $65-$150/hr.

Tooling for this job would be simple, fixturing could prolly be done in a vice.

What you are forgetting is that its a cheap job to do yes, but if that machinist and his machine could be making complex parts for another customer at a much higher $/hr rate than what you are asking him to do. So he is going to make up some of that lost time and pass the $ along to you.

[ejg3855]

you could always check out emachineshop.com

[ejg3855]

do you know the distance on center for the screw holes ?

[24Vjrod1.8T]

Seems like 2 pages ago, I mentioned the lack of cheapness for 1 set.

I am def in for a group buy at 10 people value of $36.

I'm down for this as well.

[05GTIMarine]

do you know the distance on center for the screw holes ?

yep 4" or 76mm

ive decided to wait until erevlydeux comes out with his as i dont want to step on someones toes when we as a whole want the cheapest solution without having to buy from a company that solely looks at profit. if we get 10, 36 bucks is a steal. ive already put down that ill take 2 for myself and my buddies a4. so thats 4 or 5 so far. need 4 or 5 more and hopefully we will have a solution.

[05GTIMarine]

theres the image.
priced out for a lot of 40 which is 10 sets and alowing 25 days of lead would come out to about 31 dollars a set not including the 4 dollars in hardware. so 35 dollars altogether without shipping.

[24Vjrod1.8T]

theres the image.
priced out for a lot of 40 which is 10 sets and alowing 25 days of lead would come out to about 31 dollars a set not including the 4 dollars in hardware. so 35 dollars altogether without shipping.

I am in for 1 set. PM me if this happens.

[dknl]

i'd take a set

[ejg3855]

theres the image.
priced out for a lot of 40 which is 10 sets and alowing 25 days of lead would come out to about 31 dollars a set not including the 4 dollars in hardware. so 35 dollars altogether without shipping.

I bet if you take out that chamfer operation it would get reduced another few dollars.

[erevlydeux]

Just because I'm wary of the moderators deleting a separate thread specific to all this purchasing/group buy stuf... who do we have on the lineup for people interested in spacers in general? This is not specific to me, or 05GTIMarine... we've both been talking and are working to collaborate more than anything.

List so far:
- me
- 05GTIMarine
- dknl
- LGDUBR
- bigivn
- 24Vjrod1.8T
- nofearhawk

theswoleguy? Vegeta Gti?

[05GTIMarine]

Just because I'm wary of the moderators deleting a separate thread specific to all this purchasing/group buy stuf... who do we have on the lineup for people interested in spacers in general? This is not specific to me, or 05GTIMarine... we've both been talking and are working to collaborate more than anything.

List so far:
- me
- 05GTIMarine
- dknl
- LGDUBR
- bigivn
- 24Vjrod1.8T
- nofearhawk

theswoleguy? Vegeta Gti?

add brightgolf as im buying his set for him. and i drew it up on emachineshop.com to verify prices. and the chamfer did not affect pricing at all. you want the chamfer in there so that you can get the coilpack in smoothly. and the rounded edges clean it up compared to the 034 set with has excess material and looks like they through the idea together in 5 min. we are up to 8 i believe.

If you are interested. pls put your area code in with it so that we can get an idea on shipping pls

[Vegeta Gti]

yeah i'm down..sorry lol

96706 son

[erevlydeux]

Shipping is a flat rate the way I'd do it. $5 in the continental U.S. $10 to Canada.

As far as the chamfer, I just wouldn't bother with it on the outer edge with that design... mostly because I think it'd gonna look poopy because they'll never be able to keep that crisp wing/circular edge with the chamfer. I have to make some adjustments then I'll post up a picture of what I have in mind.

[Vegeta Gti]

hawaii dude

[05GTIMarine]

Shipping is a flat rate the way I'd do it. $5 in the continental U.S. $10 to Canada.

As far as the chamfer, I just wouldn't bother with it on the outer edge with that design... mostly because I think it'd gonna look poopy because they'll never be able to keep that crisp wing/circular edge with the chamfer. I have to make some adjustments then I'll post up a picture of what I have in mind.

good to go. and once again i did it because you recommended it as well as another and i wanted to see what 8mb of cad programming could do. im def gonna wait for yours and ill be in touch with you.

[05GTIMarine]

as of right now

List so far:
- erevlydeux
- 05GTIMarine
- dknl
- LGDUBR
- bigivn
- 24Vjrod1.8T
- nofearhawk
- brightgolf
- vegeta gti


thats 9 boys and girls just need one more or hell lets get 20 if we can. any more interested in these.

[cincyTT]

you can add me to the list if you dont mind

[05GTIMarine]

List so far:
- erevlydeux
- 05GTIMarine
- dknl
- LGDUBR
- bigivn
- 24Vjrod1.8T
- nofearhawk
- cincytt
- brightgolf
- vegeta gti

we have 10 . is there any more of you out there that would like a set. the more that are in the less the cost.

[sabbySC]

I'll go in on a set.

[Gulfstream]

Im in.

[erevlydeux]

Also, just to make it very clear.... these won't be $36 shipped to your door as mentioned above. That was a raw pure cost of manufacturing figure I had mentioned, which doesn't factor in other costs that come into play as they get passed on from me to you. They'll most likely be closer to $60 shipped, $70 if you want hardware with it. (These two numbers, respectively, will go down with a bigger set of people interested.)

Like my PostReleased products, though, these will work, and work well, and I am doing a lot of test fitting, measuring, remeasuring, printing, mocking up, cutting, fixing, tweaking, etc etc, to make sure that not only you feel confident sending me your money, but that I feel comfortable taking it.

Here is a mockup of what I personally have so far. You'll notice that I keep the base flange thin (so that hold downs won't be out in space an inch over your coilpacks and you'll also notice the alignment tab holes in the center bore to keep the coilpack from rotating around too much.

(Note that these will actually be mounted at a 45 degree angle to the long edge of the valve cover, and the alignment hole tabs for the coilpack will need to be adjusted... but that will happen and this is just a mock up when I threw them in for fitment testing.)



Adjusted list:
- erevlydeux
- 05GTIMarine
- dknl
- LGDUBR
- bigivn
- 24Vjrod1.8T
- nofearhawk
- cincyTT
- brightgolf
- Vegeta Gti
- sabbySC
- Gulfstream
- Yareka

[iTech]

Bump ....Toby builds some great stuff. Hey hit me up when these are done...will take em for a test run on my daily.

[sabbySC]

lookin good, just let me know when you need some money sent your way.

[05GTIMarine]

brightgolf and i are backing out as these are not what we want.

problems:

1. they will not allow fitment of the ecs hold downs we already have as with others.
2. the notches will not allow the proper seal as this is the main goal of the plate in the first place.
3. your making 30 dollar profit on test plates. per set. so 3-400 dollars on a run. what happened to at cost. i already got flamed for ppl thinking i was trying to make a profit.
4. they look like **** and poorly planed.


theres no positive as these wont work and wont seal.


im going back to the drawing board and redesigning them to:
fully seal the coilpack
ensure that they accept ecs hold downs
and are strong enough to hold up to constant heat changes.

40 plates = 10 sets at approx 7-8 dollars a plate your looking at 32 dollars a set of plates and 4-6 dollars in hardware. then add shipping and we will probably be at around 40-45 dollars/set.

there will be no profit on my side as i will pay what you are paying for the same product the more we get the cheaper it will be. i will even provide all documentation to reassure you that i am not making any profit. this section of the forum is not meant to make money. if you want to make a profit go post in the classifieds.

[Gulfstream]

I said yes to 35$ not 70+$.

Im out.

[ejg3855]

ah yes the drama begins.

[bigivn]

I will go with Marine. Make sense and $70 is a bit high.

[gdoggmoney]

Instead why don't we focus on I don't know, the actual coilpacks and spark plug gap? Instead of machining little adapters that are not absolutely necessary if you swap your valve cover.

Or if you flatten, bend and drill some metal then toss in some material to be a phenolic spacer, DIY coilhold downs for like 10$.

[Malant]

Instead why don't we focus on I don't know, the actual coilpacks and spark plug gap? Instead of machining little adapters that are not absolutely necessary if you swap your valve cover.

Or if you flatten, bend and drill some metal then toss in some material to be a phenolic spacer, DIY coilhold downs for like 10$.

PLEASE FFS this thread is for technical information on testing new ignition coils and spark, not a group by on 40 different designs on coilpack hold downs.

To get the thread back on track mine are on the truck to me now, I have some brand new plugs pregapped to .040 and will be putting everything in after work today. This will be on a 2001 Audi TT AMU.

[05GTIMarine]

PLEASE FFS this thread is for technical information on testing new ignition coils and spark, not a group by on 40 different designs on coilpack hold downs.

To get the thread back on track mine are on the truck to me now, I have some brand new plugs pregapped to .040 and will be putting everything in after work today. This will be on a 2001 Audi TT AMU.

i understand that and i will be making a thread corresponding to this one so that i can offer to those wanting to test the coilpacks, and have them secured to the valvcover properly.

sorry for causing "drama"

[DMVDUB]

yeah, I'm not seeing all the issue here about needing spacers... Toby does make great stuff, I'll give him that.

What I will say though is, if you want a spacer to seal the difference in height and use the hold downs. It would cost roughly $50-$100 to have the valve cover modified, as in weld spacers on and grind it down to look OEM.

[gdoggmoney]

Relax, nobody is butthurt over it, but lets just keep this on track before it is 5-6 pages of spacers and arguing then the meat and information is scattered between.

[Malant]

There is another thread started for this now. Thank you, its just tough trying to look through everything for the good technical information when you have to scroll through quoted pictures and drawings and differences in pricing etc.

Has anyone tested beyond .40? I will be stepping up this weekend until I find a "limit" APR 93 file on a not so big turbo (ko4-023)