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      08-17-2011 12:30 AM #101
      Quote Originally Posted by n0rdicalex. View Post
      that'd be a MK5 GLI you are looking at.

      if all checks out, get that sumbitch chipped and have fun.

      MK5....Whewwww. MK4 and I might backed outta this deal.

      Dash said to get it chipped too. Ik its jumping the gun but is installing a chip expensive/pain in the arse? Last thing I need is to install a chip and have the thing setting off ECU codes/failing/sputtering/ etc.... I'm kind of a pu$$y when it comes to this stuff... last thing I want is my "new" car sh!tting the bed because of some mod.

    2. 08-17-2011 12:51 AM #102
      You couldn't give me a VW past a MK3... After the 02 1.8sneeze Wagon i had i swore off anything newer than early 99's... My gf has a 99.5 VR6 Jetta and i want to blow the POS up! Use the long block to put in my Corrado... lol

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      08-17-2011 12:58 AM #103
      i believe the APR chips are just flashed through the OBD connector and are reliable. you can even get a few different programs and switch through them. ie: 91,93,valet. valet being a very limited program in case you park some place that has valet, they can't **** with your car.

      APR chips are indeed pricey though.

      not sure on the year cutoff of that particular GLI, but here are the prices:

      http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_up...fsi_trans.html

      http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_up...tsi_trans.html
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      08-17-2011 08:47 AM #104
      Quote Originally Posted by Laser04 View Post
      So here's the 2008 GLI I test drove today. If he's willing to lower the asking price of $17,500 I'm buying it. Ik $17,999 is the listed price but he said he'd "hook me up" and take off $500

      http://www.langanvernonvw.com/Vehicl...-CT/1050732413

      Sadly I can't post pics.... only a link

      So would this be an MkV or MkVI? I'm to lazy to research how the Marks are broken down based on looks/year/generation. I lost interest after I lost my MK3 got totaled and I never gave a fuk about my mmmkkkaayy4 Golf. Ik someone here won't mind taking the time to explain. Granted I would learn the history of VW if I ever purchased a car as sweet as this but until then I consider it a waste of brain space. I just can't get into something I don't own

      Any help on this would be greatly appreciated Ideally $15k would be mint for me buttttt I doubt I'll get so lucky. The carfax checks out nice. One owner, leased, comes from Jersey, one accident- front end stuff nothing major. 2 year warrenty or 24,000 miles. 112 point inspection yada yada.... the Turbo hasn't been serviced at 43,000 miles good or bad thing?

      I guess how low should I start with? Should I call this guy in a couple of days and say $15k or is that laughable? My intentions are to get this as low as possible so maybe if I start at $15K it'll end at $15,500 or $16,000

      Fingers Crossed.... I really want this car...Ocean Ik you live close by, so don't go test drive it tomorrow and beat the snot out of it

      Its a MKV.
      As has been mentioned, the main worries will be carbon buildup to to direct injection, and the whole hpfp/cam follower issue. I believe those were remedied by the 08s, so you will just have the carbon buildup issue. From what I've read, there is no true preventative measures to take, you'll just have to suck it up eventually and get the valves cleaned.
      I've had a bunch of issues with mine, but none related to those mentioned above. I think I just got a weird example though. I would definitely inquire more about the accident. They'll obviously say it wasn't major. I'd like to kno wwhat their definition of 'minor' is.

      You mentioned last night that it was a DSG. Check to make sure the DSG transmission service was done. I think its a couple hundred bucks. Its supposed to be done every 40K miles. Considering the mileage and the fact its at a dealership, I would hope they did they service if it hadn't already been done.

      Being in New England, you'll be dealing with crappy weather. When I bought the car I also picked up some blizzaks and steel wheels from Tire rack. With them I am more confident in my car than my wife's awd CRV with all seasons. Other than ground clearance, it'll go through just about anything. My car came with the 17 inch denvers, so what I did was sized down to 16 inch snow tires. because of the increased sidewall, the actual circumference and diamater were largely unchanged.

      Mileage is supposed to be a big positive, but I get nowhere near what others claim. My lifetime is around 22mpg. That may be driving style and terrain though. I'll often drive like a dick and CT is very hilly.

      If you haven't driven a 6MT yet I would. Hell, if you want to get a feel for what they are like without a salesman watching you you can drive mine (assuming you can drive stick and won't ruin my clutch )

      North American Motorsports ( I think they were/are a sponsor here) are big into VWs and are based in Vernon. Yuo can get any of the programs there...APR, GIAC, REVO. Most people say go with whatever your local reputable shop offers as they are all similar and customer service is what matters. The nice thing is they offer them all so you can just wait for a sale/promo being offered by one of them.

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      08-17-2011 08:50 AM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by Laser04 View Post
      MK5....Whewwww. MK4 and I might backed outta this deal.

      Dash said to get it chipped too. Ik its jumping the gun but is installing a chip expensive/pain in the arse? Last thing I need is to install a chip and have the thing setting off ECU codes/failing/sputtering/ etc.... I'm kind of a pu$$y when it comes to this stuff... last thing I want is my "new" car sh!tting the bed because of some mod.
      Its an easy process. Go to NAMotorsports, wait a half hour, drive off. Thats it. But any warranty you have will most definitely be voided by Langan. I've asked. They are a nice enough dealership, but don't let you get away with anything.

      If I were keeping my car I'd probably get APR. But I'm not so I won't.

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      08-17-2011 05:37 PM #106
      Quote Originally Posted by pwm View Post
      Its an easy process. Go to NAMotorsports, wait a half hour, drive off. Thats it. But any warranty you have will most definitely be voided by Langan. I've asked. They are a nice enough dealership, but don't let you get away with anything.

      If I were keeping my car I'd probably get APR. But I'm not so I won't.
      I will keep this in mind. The car will most certainy be stock for a long while As all my hard earned money will be going into affording this car. And even I could afford a chip I wouldn't do it until the warrenty runs out... I think thats just a common sense move. Although a chip, intake, exhaust, suspension would be mint. Wouldn't mind new rims either.

      Quote Originally Posted by pwm View Post
      Its a MKV.
      As has been mentioned, the main worries will be carbon buildup to to direct injection, and the whole hpfp/cam follower issue. I believe those were remedied by the 08s, so you will just have the carbon buildup issue. From what I've read, there is no true preventative measures to take, you'll just have to suck it up eventually and get the valves cleaned.
      I've had a bunch of issues with mine, but none related to those mentioned above. I think I just got a weird example though. I would definitely inquire more about the accident. They'll obviously say it wasn't major. I'd like to kno wwhat their definition of 'minor' is.

      So how do I go about asking about this carbon buildup issue? Is it something they would have looked into in the 112 point inspection? I mean I guess I don't even know what I would say... As for the accident Idk how much THEY really know about it. I feel like the carfax had all the information they can possibly know. Or do you think it goes deeper than that and they really do know
      You mentioned last night that it was a DSG. Check to make sure the DSG transmission service was done. I think its a couple hundred bucks. Its supposed to be done every 40K miles. Considering the mileage and the fact its at a dealership, I would hope they did they service if it hadn't already been done.

      Great! I will def. look into the DSG transmission service. I feel like a freaking noob I don't even know what DSG is. I promise I'm not that type of person, if I do get this car I will fully emerse myself into everything there is to know about VW's. I'll be blowing up the MK5 forum

      Being in New England, you'll be dealing with crappy weather. When I bought the car I also picked up some blizzaks and steel wheels from Tire rack. With them I am more confident in my car than my wife's awd CRV with all seasons. Other than ground clearance, it'll go through just about anything. My car came with the 17 inch denvers, so what I did was sized down to 16 inch snow tires. because of the increased sidewall, the actual circumference and diamater were largely unchanged.

      Yea the tires that are on the car right now are brand spanking new but not all weather purpose tires. The carsalesmen def. said he reccomended picking up winter tires. Ugghhh I hate to think about the salt and snow build on my poor car

      Mileage is supposed to be a big positive, but I get nowhere near what others claim. My lifetime is around 22mpg. That may be driving style and terrain though. I'll often drive like a dick and CT is very hilly.


      trying to go for a cruise if I get this car.... hope you can keep up AHAHA nah I drive like a ***** but I could def. stand to learn a few things about shifting and when you can go from one gear to the gear etc to get the most power
      If you haven't driven a 6MT yet I would. Hell, if you want to get a feel for what they are like without a salesman watching you you can drive mine (assuming you can drive stick and won't ruin my clutch )


      6MT AHAHAHAHAH Bitch Please. You think they sell GLI 2.0T Automatic!? with 207 lbs of torque? I can drive stick but I might burn your clutch a little bit


      North American Motorsports ( I think they were/are a sponsor here) are big into VWs and are based in Vernon. Yuo can get any of the programs there...APR, GIAC, REVO. Most people say go with whatever your local reputable shop offers as they are all similar and customer service is what matters. The nice thing is they offer them all so you can just wait for a sale/promo being offered by one of them.

      Unfortunately not anytime soon

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      08-17-2011 06:33 PM #107
      DSG fanboys will beat me up on technicalities, but I am firmly in the camp that no stick = auto...ergo, flappy paddles = automatic. It could Q(uad)SG...i dont care, no 3rd pedal means its just a fancier way of saying auto.

      You can drive it if you want. I dont want it to break, but i'm really not attached to this car. Hell, ive been trying to teach my wife to drive a manual on it..how worried can i really be?

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      08-17-2011 07:10 PM #108
      Quote Originally Posted by pwm View Post
      DSG fanboys will beat me up on technicalities, but I am firmly in the camp that no stick = auto...ergo, flappy paddles = automatic. It could Q(uad)SG...i dont care, no 3rd pedal means its just a fancier way of saying auto.

      You can drive it if you want. I dont want it to break, but i'm really not attached to this car. Hell, ive been trying to teach my wife to drive a manual on it..how worried can i really be?
      Here's the Specs

      •2.0L FSI turbocharged I4 engine
      •6-speed DSG transmission w/launch control, Tiptronic, sport mode
      Idk wht this means tho.... because it most certainly has a clutch and I was shifting the car via stick... no paddle shifting.


      EDIT**** nevermind I had to read the small print "The features and options listed are for the 2008 Volkswagen GLI 4dr Sdn DSG *Ltd Avail* and may not apply to this specific vehicle."

      So the car doesn't have DSG.
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      08-17-2011 07:14 PM #109
      We can clear this all up by answering one question. Did it have a clutch pedal ,or just gas and brake?

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      08-17-2011 07:16 PM #110
      Clutch pedal

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      08-17-2011 07:37 PM #111
      Its not a DSG then...good man.

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      08-17-2011 08:53 PM #112
      a chip will not void your warranty. dealerships can't even tell if there is a chip. intakes won't void your warranty either
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      08-17-2011 08:59 PM #113
      AHAHAHAH doing a little spring cleaning are we?

      Sorry I flooded the Blops thread with car talk. Guess I shoulda started it here in the first place.

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      08-17-2011 09:00 PM #114
      Quote Originally Posted by pwm View Post
      Its not a DSG then...good man.
      Yea DSG sounds quite gheyyyyy

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      08-17-2011 09:25 PM #115
      Quote Originally Posted by Laser04 View Post
      Yea DSG sounds quite gheyyyyy
      you should drive one actually. they are quite fun.
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      08-17-2011 09:46 PM #116
      Quote Originally Posted by dashrendar View Post
      you should drive one actually. they are quite fun.
      AHHAHAHA true I guess I did make a hasty generalization right there considering I've never driven one.

      Good to know about the Chip/Intake tho

      Will an exhaust void a warrenty ?

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      08-17-2011 10:00 PM #117
      nope, exhaust won't void a warranty either.

      i like DSG. however, i don't like enough to ever purchase one myself - yet. my moms new MK6 TDI has the DSG box, and it seems to have some issues already at ~7000 miles. i've noticed between third and fourth gear it gets kind of jerky like it's having trouble finding fourth, then it finally grabs. happens under normal/slow acceleration only though.

      when i worked at a vw dealership, i had the chance to drive a mk5 GTI six speed to chicago for a dealer trade on a mk5 GTI DSG. so i got to drive/push both cars equally. i can say, stopped in chicago traffic on the highway kind of sucked with the six speed, but that's minor and i can deal with that. the DSG while brilliant and fun, just seemed like a novelty, and had me yearning for a regular six speed after a while.
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      08-17-2011 10:15 PM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by n0rdicalex. View Post
      just seemed like a novelty, and had me yearning for a regular six speed after a while.
      This entirely.

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      08-17-2011 10:38 PM #119
      Quote Originally Posted by dashrendar View Post
      a chip will not void your warranty. dealerships can't even tell if there is a chip. intakes won't void your warranty either
      If its engine warranty work and langan vw knows you are chipped it will most certainly be denied. Whether or not they detect the software is another story.

      Everyone knows the law and how they can't legally void warranties unless they prove the mod caused the failure, but you try proving that to the dealer. Theory doesn't always translate into real life. While some are mod friendly, ive never heard that term used to describe langan.

      As i mentioned, if i were keeping the car it'd be chipped already. I've been tempted to do it just keep my interest in the car longer, but i probably wont.

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      08-17-2011 10:52 PM #120
      Quote Originally Posted by pwm View Post
      If its engine warranty work and langan vw knows you are chipped it will most certainly be denied. Whether or not they detect the software is another story.

      Everyone knows the law and how they can't legally void warranties unless they prove the mod caused the failure, but you try proving that to the dealer. Theory doesn't always translate into real life. While some are mod friendly, ive never heard that term used to describe langan.

      As i mentioned, if i were keeping the car it'd be chipped already. I've been tempted to do it just keep my interest in the car longer, but i probably wont.
      AHAHAHAH I'd listen to Ocean, Dash. We live in the same area and it seems like he has a good understanding of these ppl/may have dealt with them. Believe me you I've met the whole freaking bunch at Langan and the sh!t they say and do to try and get you to buy a car is redic. I can't even take these ppl srsly... some of the tactics they try and pull on me has me so offended. I might look like a pushover but I have the brains of Tyrion Lannister . I'll be glad when this is done and over with....


      I've always had bad luck, knowing me they'll discover its chipped and I'll lose my warrenty. Guess I'll have plenty of time to start saving for me...kinda

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      08-18-2011 10:59 AM #121
      I think my current xbox 360 console is starting to signs of a future meltdown. Its having a hard time booting up. It'll freeze up on the XBOX screen before it goes to the dashboard. The disk read error is creeping back. Its my second one, and with all the great games coming out this Fall, might need a fresher system. So I'm stuck between either Astros or a new system....
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      08-18-2011 03:38 PM #122
      Quote Originally Posted by Vince IsA Beast View Post
      I think my current xbox 360 console is starting to signs of a future meltdown. Its having a hard time booting up. It'll freeze up on the XBOX screen before it goes to the dashboard. The disk read error is creeping back. Its my second one, and with all the great games coming out this Fall, might need a fresher system. So I'm stuck between either Astros or a new system....
      Yea I've had my Xbox since 09... shes getting old. The noises are louder, sometimes I'll wake up to 3 flashing read lights, and sometimes it can't read disc.

      I'd say go with Astros... who knows you might get lucky and have ur system survive for a lil while longer....

      Andybody know anything about FSI engines vs TSI engines I mean screw the differences like chain driven over belt driven... I wanna know about reliability, FSI was the first generation motor and I guess they came out with the TSI engine in 2008.5 to fix some of these problems

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      08-18-2011 03:56 PM #123
      Quote Originally Posted by Laser04 View Post
      Yea I've had my Xbox since 09... shes getting old. The noises are louder, sometimes I'll wake up to 3 flashing read lights, and sometimes it can't read disc.

      I'd say go with Astros... who knows you might get lucky and have ur system survive for a lil while longer....

      Andybody know anything about FSI engines vs TSI engines I mean screw the differences like chain driven over belt driven... I wanna know about reliability, FSI was the first generation motor and I guess they came out with the TSI engine in 2008.5 to fix some of these problems
      I always install the games I play consistently onto the harddrive. It may be bro science, but I feel like if it isn't having to spin/read the disk, less moving parts = less heat and less wear/tear on the xbox.

      As for FSI vs TSI...my take is this:

      I keep hearing that TSI is more reliable. I have no way of verifying this, but its what I've heard. I've got FSI. When I bought it, I read over and over how they were so much more reliable than the 1.8T. After a few years on the market we started hearing about the 2.0T FSI issues. I have begun questioning if this was just a function of time. Yes the FSI is more reliable initially, but long term is it really that reliable? Same with TSIs. Yes, it might be an improvement over the FSI, but they haven't exactly been around long enough to make any meaningful conclusions. Anecdotally? Sure, they are great...for the 2-3 years and 30K-50K miles they've been out...but what car isnt?

      VW fans will say its the most reliable to date...which is a good thing. But an improvement over atrocious isn't exactly high praise. Honda fans will still scoff at it, as the most reliable VW is barely able to match the most problem prone Honda. Unfortunately for me I fall in the middle, so I have no idea what to think. I was a honda guy who made the switch. While I love my GTI, I am not blinded to its negatives and will likely be shopping outside both brands for my next car. I am pissed at Honda and will NOT be giving them my money, and I'm not convinced that VW ahs turned the corner on reliability. If I get another VAG product it'll likely be an Audi.

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      08-18-2011 04:24 PM #124
      Well at least what you wrote is some what comforting. If you drive a FSI then I'm sold Ha. And so true, I mean what product, no matter what it is, doesn't have problems

      I mean the carbon build issuse does sound like a bitch and around $800 to fix when the time comes. I might have to inquire about about this....

      Whats this PCV issue I read about somewheres? something to do with something near the turbo Sorry I'm a ra-tard when it comes to cars.

      And a cam follower issue?

      Thanks for your help Ocean btw
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      08-18-2011 06:15 PM #125
      the carbon build-up and PCV valve issues go hand in hand.

      for the FSI engines, they didn't really have an effective PCV valve that allowed proper venting/re-circulation of the oil. compounding that with the fuel injectors not being before the valves to enable cleaning, the oil caked on the intake portion of the head and valves severely reducing flow area and performance. i think this was remedied for the TSI engines, but i know a lot of FSI guys have installed catch cans to alleviate the issue.

      this is from an RS4, which had bad carbon build-up, but this is what it looks like:



      cam follower issues just seem to be premature wear on the follower for the HPFP. some cases even have shown the cam followed to completely wear through. again, i believe this came with early (MY06) cars and has since been addressed with a TSB. here is a pretty good thread with pictures to illustrate the issue:

      http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showth...t=cam+follower
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