parts are all ordered .. might as well start one of these trendy build threads!

[Jamaican_tuner]

im talking about removing the extra gasket .. id prefer the car to be run on 1 split gasket rather than 2 ..

Tranny still doesn't need to be touched to go back from 2 gaskets to 1 split. It's not that much work when you factor in the piece of mind.

[ThatVdub]

once again .. you have no idea what you are talking about nor do you have any idea who is working on my car

I don't really care who is working on your car, as long as they aren't working on mine.

[jerd]

This is the guide that needs to be modded.





See the height difference on the surface. You grind that down to make it flat.

I will tell you the same like I have told every one over the years... Walk the beaten path. Walk the most tried and true tested path sacrificing a little originality if thats how you want to look at it.

Most that go big, go home.
The ones that make it make the same power as the off the shelf turbo kit


Turbo kits take days to install not months / years.

Get this car back on the road

Give Tom a break. He is very skilled and could have easily accomplished this build in a couple weeks if it weren't for the multitude of unexpected problems that arose along the way. I am fully confident that Mitchs car will be sorted out soon enough and running strong on the road! So go ez and be ez on others!

[DarkSideGTI]

trans stays in for head gasket replacement.

[JDM-JTI]

Tranny still doesn't need to be touched to go back from 2 gaskets to 1 split. It's not that much work when you factor in the piece of mind.

I dont know why im picturing the tranny having to come off in order to remove the chain oh well .. so you're saying the best idea would be to swap from 2 gaskets to 1 and machine down the guide for best fitment?

I don't really care who is working on your car, as long as they aren't working on mine.

thats cool .. you can stay outta my thread now .. you have been a member for a year and a half and average 6 posts per day of absolute useless information .. so please stop cluttering it in here

[JDM-JTI]

Give Tom a break. He is very skilled and could have easily accomplished this build in a couple weeks if it weren't for the multitude of unexpected problems that arose along the way. I am fully confident that Mitchs car will be sorted out soon enough and running strong on the road! So go ez and be ez on others!

hi jeremy .. sorry i didnt get back to you on the cams .. I WASSSS thinking about it .. but ill save them for when i get used to the current power it puts out

[jmh2002]

I will tell you the same like I have told every one over the years... Walk the beaten path. Walk the most tried and true tested path sacrificing a little originality if thats how you want to look at it.

Most that go big, go home.
The ones that make it make the same power as the off the shelf turbo kit.

Turbo kits take days to install not months / years.

Get this car back on the road

Im not going to direct this at the OP since his bay is pretty custom and he has had a hard enough time as it is, however that Quote should sure as hell go in a Sig or maybe even be Stickied somewhere for future generations of modders!

I took exactly that advice and my car came out of the shop, I put gas in it, drove it 800km home, and have been driving and enjoying it ever since

OP, I was going to mention why not just take the head back of and redo the whole thing, if only to have peace of mind down the road, but I thought that might be the last thing you wanted to hear after your long wait...

[gmoneyR32]

There isnt much room for the spacer and split gasket to begin with very tight fit. adding the extra to it not sure how it would affect it. But in the past on all vr's i have split the gaskets

Also we would need to know what head spacer you are using because there are 9.1 which is the most common for the R and is tight fit

But there is 8.5:1 which means the spacer is a bit thicker and even tighter fit

and hpa also has a 7.1 spacer which then uses a custom chain guide

My kit has a 8.5:1 and I had to use a custom chain guide made by HPA, and my timing was tricky as well. When I blew my head gasket and I replaced it I had problems with the timing, I sweared that we did it on point, but we didn't, had to take it to KMD tuning (HPA dealer) and had them do it. They said HPA has a "special" way on doing they timing on that kit....

[JDM-JTI]

Im not going to direct this at the OP since his bay is pretty custom and he has had a hard enough time as it is, however that Quote should sure as hell go in a Sig or maybe even be Stickied somewhere for future generations of modders!

I took exactly that advice and my car came out of the shop, I put gas in it, drove it 800km home, and have been driving and enjoying it ever since

OP, I was going to mention why not just take the head back of and redo the whole thing, if only to have peace of mind down the road, but I thought that might be the last thing you wanted to hear after your long wait...

this wasnt a "kit" by any means .. so nothing fit .. at all really .. and thats my fault for trying to make it work .. between trying to make a 24v downpipe fit on a r32 exhaust manifold with a S cover turbine housing to custom charge piping .. to trying something new out on the transmission casing that didnt quite work out .. not to mention using 2.5" charge piping off the turbo .. 80% of "kits" use 2 inch piping to insure fitment .. but my turbo housing was 2.5 so we went with 2.5 .. everything fits .. its just all super tight and its a pretty amazing setup

compare my bay next to a bolt on c2 or kinetics kit .. there is a world of difference .. not to mention tom did a stellar job on the wiring .. everything is SUPER clean and everything unnecessary is deleted in the proper fashion.

[JDM-JTI]

My kit has a 8.5:1 and I had to use a custom chain guide made by HPA, and my timing was tricky as well. When I blew my head gasket and I replaced it I had problems with the timing, I sweared that we did it on point, but we didn't, had to take it to KMD tuning (HPA dealer) and had them do it. They said HPA has a "special" way on doing they timing on that kit....

sons of bitches .. i hate how people keep secrets like that .. it should be out in the general knowledge

[Jamaican_tuner]

I dont know why im picturing the tranny having to come off in order to remove the chain oh well .. so you're saying the best idea would be to swap from 2 gaskets to 1 and machine down the guide for best fitment?

Correct that is my recommendation based on a setup that I personally installed and ran for tens of thousands of miles.

[ThatVdub]

you have been a member for a year and a half and average 6 posts per day of absolute useless information .. so please stop cluttering it in here

really moron? only a year and a half, AND useless info?
i have been here since 2004 and had my R32 FI'd just about 5 yrs ago.

i am probably one of most contributing members here.
head gasket and tranny, right, makes me know ur level of knowledge, so stfu!

[JDM-JTI]

Correct that is my recommendation based on a setup that I personally installed and ran for tens of thousands of miles.

and it can be smoothed down all the way so there is no height difference? or does there have to be a slight difference in height?

[gmoneyR32]

sons of bitches .. i hate how people keep secrets like that .. it should be out in the general knowledge

Yeah tell me about it, I had to ditch out $1,200 for them to do the timing, car was running fine but kept getting these codes....

Sunday,03,April,2011,23:06:22:12060
VCDS Version: Release 10.6.3
Data version: 20101206



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Address 01: Engine Labels: None
Control Module Part Number: HGP Turbonac HW: 14. 4.0 3
Component and/or Version: hruestung GMBH G b121
Software Coding: 0000132
Work Shop Code: WSC 13621 156 402982
VCID: 1D3A4830BD37
2 Faults Found:

17748 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40) / Engine Speed Sensor (G28): Incor. Correlation
P1340 - 001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - MIL ON
17755 - Camshaft Position Sensor 2 (G163) / Engine Speed Sensor (G28): Incor. Correl.
P1347 - 001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - MIL ON

after they did the timing everything was fine....ahhh gotta love turbos...

[jerd]

hi jeremy .. sorry i didnt get back to you on the cams .. I WASSSS thinking about it .. but ill save them for when i get used to the current power it puts out

No worries! Cams all day everyday! Gl with ur setup! I'm staying N/A!

[ThatVdub]

OP, here is my head spacer install and no tran's removal.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3166457

[JDM-JTI]

No worries! Cams all day everyday! Gl with ur setup! I'm staying N/A!

yeah i cant bring myself to dropping that coin on the schricks at the moment .. whats the difference between them and the techtonics .. schricks putting out more power at top end vs techtonics more midrange? I sent you a request on facebook .. I upload more photos on there than I do on here ..

[Jamaican_tuner]

sons of bitches .. i hate how people keep secrets like that .. it should be out in the general knowledge

The info I have shared here is specific to the 9.0 : 1 spacer setup C2 sold in the past.

As far as the HPAs kits, in the past they used two mechanisms to relieve tension.

One is the machined guide and two is the oil feed line / banjo fitting that they use on the main tension bolt.

The simple presence of that fitting takes up a few threads and lowers tension on the chain.

Don't get distracted though. You are using 9.0: 1 head spacer and your oil feed comes off the top of the oil filter housing right?

[jmh2002]

this wasnt a "kit" by any means .. so nothing fit .. at all really...

...compare my bay next to a bolt on c2 or kinetics kit .. there is a world of difference...

Agreed on both counts, and noted in my previous posts.

sons of bitches .. i hate how people keep secrets like that .. it should be out in the general knowledge

Well, its not exactly a huge secret (in general), however, thats one of the benefits you get (or should get!) when going with a proven kit. I dont think a company should have to share all those little things - thats one big advantage why to buy a kit because (hopefully) someone has figured it all out beforehand

Like you said, yours wasnt a kit at all, so, in some areas you were running blind...

Thats how it is when you want something different.

[DarkSideGTI]

OP, here is my head spacer install and no tran's removal.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3166457

I thought he was just talking about the head gasket as well. I believe he is talking about replacing the chain though. You need to remove the lower timing chain cover to get it out I believe which would require removing the trans right?

[ThatVdub]

I thought he was just talking about the head gasket as well. I believe he is talking about replacing the chain though. You need to remove the lower timing chain cover to get it out I believe which would require removing the trans right?

Yes, if you want to remove the chains entirely, of course. You don't have to remove the chains completely for a head gasket or guide shaving. Shoot, even a link addition...

[JDM-JTI]

I thought he was just talking about the head gasket as well. I believe he is talking about replacing the chain though. You need to remove the lower timing chain cover to get it out I believe which would require removing the trans right?

yes .. we have the old chain on .. we couldnt get the new chain on due to it being that tight

in my perfect world .. i would like my new chain on .. 1 head gasket split in half .. and a modified guide if necessary .. removing the chain without breaking it would mean trans has to come out .. correct?

let me explain that a little further .. I bought a new chain .. new chain wouldnt fit .. so we put the old chain on which was worn out and fit .. but just barely

[ThatVdub]

removing the chain without breaking it would mean trans has to come out .. correct?

Correct, but you want to break it, by adding a link, no?

[JDM-JTI]

I dont want to .. like i said in my perfect world .. with the single gasket and a modded guide .. which is documented to work .. a factory chain SHOULD fit .. but with 2 gaskets

i dont know how he plans on doing this .. i assume .. break the chain while its still connected but taken off the gears .. break the new chain .. add a link .. run the chain through the gears til it loops back up .. then press them together? but how the heck is he going to press together a chain while its connected to the motor .. if hes going to make the chain longer by adding the link outside of the car and then completing the chain so its all connected .. then isnt he going to have to remove the trans anyways? I imagine pressing a chain together would need a machine press .. or is there some sort of handheld tool that can securely press it secure?

all i know is he says he can do it .. and has done it before .. not on a boosted R but on VR chains several times .. so lets sit back and see how this pans out

and just a tidbit here .. I dont do the work on my motor .. all work is done by tom .. am i capable of doing most of this stuff? probably .. but i dont own 1/500th of the tools that tom has .. i just do all the polishing and tedious things .. I work 50 hours a week behind a computer so I dont have time to do this kinda stuff

[jerd]

yeah i cant bring myself to dropping that coin on the schricks at the moment .. whats the difference between them and the techtonics .. schricks putting out more power at top end vs techtonics more midrange? I sent you a request on facebook .. I upload more photos on there than I do on here ..

Schricks = German greatness with a more aggressive profile! Tt are worth the money despite losing 8hp to Schricks! Power comes on real hard around 4k and lights up every gear till redline!

[newcreation]

Mitch hope you get it sorted out any questions just ask. Let me know what route you go. Something has to work for you

[JDM-JTI]

Mitch hope you get it sorted out any questions just ask. Let me know what route you go. Something has to work for you

thanks James .. I hope I don't come off sounded like a "noob" when i post all these questions .. id prefer to just have people who have first hand experienced it and have gone through it themselves to shoot out answers and plausible ideas so that i dont completely **** up here

ive got A LOT of money into this thing

[newcreation]

thanks James .. I hope I don't come off sounded like a "noob" when i post all these questions .. id prefer to just have people who have first hand experienced it and have gone through it themselves to shoot out answers and plausible ideas so that i dont completely **** up here

ive got A LOT of money into this thing

Hey i dont mind answering questions sometimes i run into things work on the car that make me scratch me head. I definitely know what you mean about the money into the car yikes . I feel the same way not wanting to mess things up. As i daily my monster lol

[tom8thebomb]

What compression head spacer are you running?

we are using the further performance 9:1 spacer but the actual compression on this motor is closer to 8.5:1. Using a non split gasket modified for max coolant flow has greater benefits than the traditional split gasket design. Yes, one may argue that a split gasket seals well but understanding how it works you would argue for the non split gasket. Having more layers makes it flexible to form to irregularities in material as well as have a higher tolerance for uneven expansion in bursts of heat.

I might be wrong but then again, VW/Audi might be wasting money on their headgasket design.

[JDM-JTI]

ladies and gentlemen we have a celebrity in the building

[huichox4]

ladies and gentlemen we have a celebrity in the building

well....... I just want to know if you actually added the link to the chain or removed the head and split the gasket?? have you heat cycled the car and re torqued the head studs? what are you using for head studs BTW?

[Rmeitz167]

I understand the two gasket theory.. But why reinvent the wheel? For quite a while 12v's have been running split gaskets aswell as alot of r's and 2.8 24v's with good success and no mods to chains or guides. Im gonna run a further spacer and split gasket on my setup, which is extemely similar to yours mitch. Down to the 4" inlet housing and ram horn manifold

[JDM-JTI]

i didn't understand this concept of toms idea with the chain until he showed me how a chain comes .. split already .. so who is the say they can't be taken apart, extended, and re-connected ..

additional 1/2 link was sourced overseas .. running the dual gaskets is a slight extra bit of reassurance that there will never be any problems .. and tom is pretty good with measurements and calculators so i trust his idea on this and we will see where this goes

I've been busy all week with this ****

turning this



into this



not for me .. for a buddys 1.8t .. baby throttle body

his caps def needed a touchup ..

[dr. b]

how was pulling the guts out of that TB? kinda want to mod mine but i'm afraid to with all the electronics in it still.

[JDM-JTI]

well thats not for my car its for a 1.8t .. all that was taken out was the black casing and 2 gears inside .. then I threw some painters tape around it tightly so i didnt bother anything .. pretty sure the entire thing can be taken apart fairly easily though