CoolingMist Water/Meth Injection and Tune SPECIAL

[Pat@PMEngineering]

any questions anyone? Merry Christmas

[Pat@PMEngineering]

ad a happy new year

[Pat@PMEngineering]

happy new years

[Pat@PMEngineering]

hello everyone

[Pat@PMEngineering]

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[vwb5t]

can i get the water/meth and then the tune later on or do i have to get them both at the same time?

[Pat@PMEngineering]

You can get them seperately. That is not a problem.

[vwb5t]

sent you a PM with a couple questions, let me know i am ready to buy just wanted to ask a couple things before i do.

[Pat@PMEngineering]

sure I believe I pmed you back. Let me know if you have any more.

[turtledub]

Do you sell the boost refrence controller by itself? I have a kit that uses the MAF reading.

[Pat@PMEngineering]

Yeah I can also sell the CGMS gauge controller as well if your interested or any part of the coolingmist line even if its not listed here. PM me to inquire

[Panzerrabbit]

Where are you guys located?

[Pat@PMEngineering]

state college PA

[Pat@PMEngineering]

Hope everyone had a happy 4th of july!!!!


Update with all new pictures and pricing soon and a few new goodies. Hopefully this weekend time permitting.

[Dubmekanik]

Couldn't find any results posted, just talk. Was hard data posted elsewhere?

Hard data meaning before after logs of intake temps/ ignition correction factors / dyno runs etc. Anything like that available?

[Pat@PMEngineering]

Im not sure what your looking for. Results will vary dramatically over the state of the vehicle, what modifications are done, how much boost, compression, and tuning. So because that its silly to post one car vs another as it will vary far to much.

I think the results and functions of meth kits are well known and speak for themselves. These are just high quality kits with better components and higher pressure, with better nozzles.

[Dubmekanik]

Just trying to help you sell some product..I understand that results will vary. But along with the results you could easily add what modifications they have...Maybe one stock S4 and one k04 s4 just as an example...I was turned on to this thread by one of our customers..Just to add..If you log the SAME CAR before and after, you will show the difference between before and after on that particular setup, which would eliminate all the variance and just show how well (or not) your setup works. You say this system is better than the others due to the nozzle quality, etc.

[temanuele]

Im not sure what your looking for. Results will vary dramatically over the state of the vehicle, what modifications are done, how much boost, compression, and tuning. So because that its silly to post one car vs another as it will vary far to much.

I think the results and functions of meth kits are well known and speak for themselves. These are just high quality kits with better components and higher pressure, with better nozzles.

Pat,

Sent you an email yesterday, but maybe it is better to ask on here. I was wondering if the flow meter has a 5v output so that you can route it to a logging device or other fail safe.

Thanks

[temanuele]

Just trying to help you sell some product..I understand that results will vary. But along with the results you could easily add what modifications they have...Maybe one stock S4 and one k04 s4 just as an example...I was turned on to this thread by one of our customers..Just to add..If you log the SAME CAR before and after, you will show the difference between before and after on that particular setup, which would eliminate all the variance and just show how well (or not) your setup works. You say this system is better than the others due to the nozzle quality, etc.

I agree with Pat on this one. You are asking what the benefits of water-methanol are, which is really irrelevant to this thread. This is for a specific kit, but in terms of what it can do for IAT's etc., it would be in line with any mixture of water-methanol at a given concentration and volume.

[Dubmekanik]

I am NOT asking what the generic benefits of WM are..We have tuned many systems here VW/Audi ecu and standalone using WM. I was merely suggesting he post some before and after logs of 1 or 2 cars (using different setups) using his kit (which is supposed to be better than the rest). There is a ton of info on the 1.8t and WM, but I thought (admit-tingly wrongly so) that someone interested in this setup might be interested in some datalogs...To some people just saying it will "lower your intake temps" "allow you to run more boost" "allow you to run more timing" etc. is not enough...They might want to know to what extent. Kinda like how companies will post expected gains from a performance product? I'm not sure why I need to explain this?? I will not be posting in this thread anymore..Sorry to interrupt!

[Pat@PMEngineering]

Thank you for your input.

Again I stand by my prior statements. I sell a great deal of these kits. Believe me its not a question of whether it works or not. They do. This isnt in dispute nor is the quality of the kit. I pretty much go through a strict comparison of what is better in this kit and why. High temp hose, nickel fittings, high pressure pump, purpose designed nozzle, quality check valves with solenoid options, a feature rich packed gauge controller, made in the USA etc. Other setups will get you multiple purchases to make a complete kit like this one, or low temp hose, or plastic fittings, low quality chinese components, low pressure pump, resanctioned farming nozzles, low quality controllers that look like they were designed in 1960, etc. I think the product speaks for itself. I also get and sell snow and aem products. And neitehr come close to the bang for your buck here or quality components. Aquamist is the only brand in coolingmist's league and take a look at the price tag of those setups, compare features, and show me whats missing or how aquamist's products compete per dollar?

As for you statements on comparison. Its again a silly thing to do and hold to those results considering there are so many variable from meth mixture, to meth source, to modifications, turbo options, what vehicle its on, compression ratio etc. Not to mention the biggest thing of all the tuning to take advantage of it. How am I going to compare a GIAC tune lemmitweaked to a complete jfonz purpose designed file, or a EPL file (well you wouldnt find that anyway as he wont tune anything unless you buy his stuff and his stuff alone). It just wouldnt make sense, wouldnt actually show any actual data that can be used and compared or applied to.

[Dubmekanik]

As for you statements on comparison. Its again a silly thing to do and hold to those results considering there are so many variable from meth mixture, to meth source, to modifications, turbo options, what vehicle its on, compression ratio etc. Not to mention the biggest thing of all the tuning to take advantage of it. How am I going to compare a GIAC tune lemmitweaked to a complete jfonz purpose designed file, or a EPL file (well you wouldnt find that anyway as he wont tune anything unless you buy his stuff and his stuff alone). It just wouldnt make sense, wouldnt actually show any actual data that can be used and compared or applied to.

Ok I lied about not posting, because I still feel like I'm being misunderstood..

This was why I suggested using the SAME car with the SAME modifications with and without your WM kit engaged... You don't have to show the difference between every imaginable setup, or one car to another which would not tell you anything..just an example or two of before and after on the same car/setup. All you would have to do is show overall req timing vs. correction factor per cylinder or actual boost with correction factor and then turn on your kit and log the same.

[Pat@PMEngineering]

Well if that is what you would like I will oblige. I have 3 cars available here for me to do the logs for you. 1 k03 car and 2 k04 cars. Im a bit busy till the end of the wekeend but look for some logs for you early next week.

[Dubmekanik]

Like I said before...I don't need your logs, but some of your customers might be interested..

[temanuele]

Pat, would you mind taking a look at my question above?

As for the data logs, I would say that you can save your time and effort. I think that the other poster is confusing a matter or relability with performance. The better hardware will ensure better reliability down the road, but the kit has little bearing on the actual performance of water-methanol.

[Dubmekanik]

but the kit has little bearing on the actual performance of water-methanol.

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Please re-read the original post.

[temanuele]

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Please re-read the original post.

I don't know what you expect to see. Higher flow of methanol? Well that comes down to injector size. More cooling effects? Well that comes down to mixture concentration. More horsepower? Well that comes down to timing advance. It honestly scares me that you call yourself a "mekanik" but I suppose it makes sense considering that you carry Unitronic.

[Dubmekanik]

-All kits sold through us use their proprietary meth super atomizing nozzles. These are purpose designed nozzles made for meth. Not generic farming equipment nozzles offered by every other competitor out there. More atomization means better distribution, less consumption, and more of the positive effects mentioned above throughout the entire spray range especially low load settings.

-All pumps in these kits are 250 psi versions unlike lower quality 150 psi pumps other brands utilize. High pressure, just like in fuel injection, gets you substantially better atomization and delivery in any temperature/load condition especially when coupled with the advanced super atomizing nozzles CoolingMist designed and offer in the kits sold below. Pumps are purpose built for meth injection, have an integrated rubber isolated bracket mount with simple hookup and quality reliability.

Maybe I'm missing something? It says how much better the nozzles and pump are than the rest.

Also..I am not here to insult anyone. I am not sure why you are lashing out at me? Just asking to see some of the differences in real time?

[Dubmekanik]

It honestly scares me that you call yourself a "mekanik" but I suppose it makes sense considering that you carry Unitronic.

We are a representative of Unitronic. We flash their software for customers that ask us too (a lot). Three years ago I built one of North Americas first MK2 big turbo 1.8T swaps using all the components from the MK1 R32 (even the rear suspension) This car puts down ~ 450 AWHP and weighs 2600 lbs. It regularly beats Lambo Gallardos on the freeway, as well as keeps up with 600's (bike's) from a launch (the bikes are on wheelie's). At the last road racing event it keeps up with Corvettes that are using 325's when I was at the time on 225's. This car is reliable and proven. I think I fit the description "mechanic" just fine..The whole car was built in-house (chassis fab, engine, trans, custom rear coils, new center tunnel etc.) BY ME ONLY with help from one good friend in 3 months time working after my 40-50 hour a week job running a business)

Sorry you don't think my screen name is cool. That was 3,000 + posts ago.

[Dubmekanik]

This is a picture of Unitronic's flashing booth at Waterfest this last weekend. They had 18 tents and there were cars waiting in line. I was told all the tents were full for the majority of the two day event. There must be a lot of misinformed people out there in the VW/Audi community!

[temanuele]

Edit: There are a lot of cheap bastards in the VW/Audi community.

[Dubmekanik]

Edit: There are a lot of cheap bastards in the VW/Audi community.

Why are you so full of hate, my friend? I never came on here to bash anyone, or call anyone names. I had a customer or two ask me what I thought about this mans product and merely asked for some proof of it's benefits on the B5 chassis. Then after feeling like I was misunderstood kept up with the thread..

[Pat@PMEngineering]

Enough already.

The benefits of water meth do not vary based on chassis or vehicle make or model or even engine type. Whether its a diesel, NA v8, turbo v6, or a boat engine. The benefits of water/meth injection and its characteristics are not debateable. I outline them in fairly scientific detail on my 1st page. Its a lot for some people to read but I like to educate and inform the public on what they are buying rather then just sell people as much as stuff as possible with fancy pictures with expensive cameras and gimick advertising.

[Dubmekanik]

Well if that is what you would like I will oblige. I have 3 cars available here for me to do the logs for you. 1 k03 car and 2 k04 cars. Im a bit busy till the end of the wekeend but look for some logs for you early next week.

So no logs then..

[1fast2liter]

i am likeing the stage 3 kit but the price you have in your first post do not match the sites prices are the site prices the current or are the prices in post 1 what you offer forum members? cause your stage 3 kit is with in the same price range of the aqua kit.


other then that i am likeing the system.... a friend of mine just got his sti tuned at 17psi on a persiion turbo is making 389 awh in a fluidnye dyno wich is equate to alomst 460 on a dyno jet thats on 93 its at 491 on same dyno at 20psi with w/m wich is around 580whp on a dynojet. 3rd gear 55mph awd burnouts. in 93 mode.. w/m mode is just ridiculous.