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    Thread: Oil Consumption - 09 Routan 3.8L 30K miles

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      01-30-2012 05:18 PM #26
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    2. 02-14-2012 11:36 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by redzone98 View Post
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      I had to get my Routan towed. I put 4,000 miles after my 36,000 service back in December. Yesterday the oil light started beeping, i took it to the dealer and they told me it had NO OIL AT ALL! ... I've had issues with this van ever since i purchased it. I honestly think now I wasted my money buying it, I found out too late this was a chrysler, nor a real VW. Now the dealer is trying to blame me for the damaged engine.

    3. 02-15-2012 08:46 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by ReDGTI2EnVy View Post
      I had to get my Routan towed. I put 4,000 miles after my 36,000 service back in December. Yesterday the oil light started beeping, i took it to the dealer and they told me it had NO OIL AT ALL! ... I've had issues with this van ever since i purchased it. I honestly think now I wasted my money buying it, I found out too late this was a chrysler, nor a real VW. Now the dealer is trying to blame me for the damaged engine.
      Where did the oil go? If it was out, it either burned it or leaked it. One would think burning that much would leave a smoke trail visible from space, but leaking that much would make your driveway look like the Exxon Valdez landed on it. Did they tell you where the leak is? Did you ever check your oil? And really, you didn't know it was a Chrysler? Really?

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      03-07-2012 11:02 AM #29
      There is a TSB on the Jeep Forum about the Exhaust Valve retainers. Its a know issue, and VW is not owning up to it. I had an "oil consumption test" done on my Routan and im burning 3/4 Qt per 1000 miles. their Mandate is 1 Qt per 1000 Miles. So my Engine is within "spec"

      which is bull ****. How can i drive 5K on an oil change if the engine is using 4Qts for that 5K miles ?!

      Its a shame, but Im stuck now with this van. Its worth Nothing on a trade in (12,000$) and im not going to shell out another 30K for a new car.

      Im going to just throw some thick ass "conventional" oil in there and run this ****er to the ground.

    5. 05-01-2012 07:15 AM #30
      Folks, I understand all of your pain, since I went thru the same. The PCV valve already replaced & didnt do any good. Finally VW found the issue. After repeated complains, VW came out with the solution. The dealer was asked to perform a "Compression Leak Down Test" to find the 5th & 6th CYL loosing compression thru intake valves (due to valve not seated properly - worn out). The CYL head & EGR valve replaced, as per the note. Oil leak yet to be confirmed, but I feel a big difference in the power (because I was driving all these days only with 4 CYL it looks). Mine is 2009 Routan with only 30K one. Hope this will help folks. I regret why I purchased Routan. VW has spoiled their hard earn name by placing the Crysler Engine.

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      05-02-2012 09:12 PM #31
      That was good info on doing the leak down test. I have almost 72k miles now on my '09 with the 3.8. It has consumed ALMOST 1 quart per 1k miles, but of course that doesnt quite hit the 1quart per 1k miles mark, so they didnt do anything for me. Even though I brought it in twice. But, I can say that it has done this since it was brand new with 400 miles on it. I checked the oil regularly after I first bought it . Oh well. I guess ill keep adding oil every couple weeks. I am going to do a leak dow test though just out of curiosity.

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      05-19-2012 10:13 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Kola_Trinco View Post
      Folks, I understand all of your pain, since I went thru the same. The PCV valve already replaced & didnt do any good. Finally VW found the issue. After repeated complains, VW came out with the solution. The dealer was asked to perform a "Compression Leak Down Test" to find the 5th & 6th CYL loosing compression thru intake valves (due to valve not seated properly - worn out). The CYL head & EGR valve replaced, as per the note. Oil leak yet to be confirmed, but I feel a big difference in the power (because I was driving all these days only with 4 CYL it looks). Mine is 2009 Routan with only 30K one. Hope this will help folks. I regret why I purchased Routan. VW has spoiled their hard earn name by placing the Crysler Engine.
      Kola, This is fantastic info. Do you have any of your service records showing the work done, And if you can make a copy of your service order. I believe it is time for me to start a claim with VWOA and the BBB on this obvious manufacturer defect.

      thanks again

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      05-19-2012 11:45 AM #33
      Redzone: Just an FYI - In 1999 I bought a new T&C Limited, which came with the 3.8 engine. Almost at once, I noticed a small hesitation in the engine. Thinking about the symptoms, I took out a couple of the front sparkplugs and the #2 plug was badly fouled. Dealer replaced the plug [of course, first try the lazy fix and waste my time].

      When I returned it a short time later [same problem], they did a compression test and found a leak. Upon removing the head, they found a valve seal improperly installed at the factory. Rebuit and reinstalled the head - no further problem.

      We had that car for 10 years and 137K miles. Loved the car, did not like the engine - gas hog, especially around town, used a quart between 3K oil changes and seemed to lose power on hills past 75K or so.

      So, when we looked at a replacement, the 4.0 was a must - no more 3.8. At 43K, the Routan has plenty of power, gets 25mpg or more on the highway and about 20mpg in mixed rural driving, is smooth and uses almost no oil between those 3K changes with Castrol GTX 10W-30.

      Good luck with your claim. I think the 3.8 was just not a stellar engine.

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      05-20-2012 02:28 PM #34
      so true, this motor is worth more as scrap than anything else. I pulled the plugs yesterday, and they all show signs of burning oil. Im going to be calling the dealer on monday, because enough is enough here.

    10. 07-16-2012 03:15 PM #35
      same problem here... V3.8 Routan SE 1999 44K, dealer serviced till 36K.

      The dealer is doing the "test" so I'll check back in 30 days.

      It's a very nice van. I really hope VW comes through and takes care of it's customers and we can put this behind us.

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      07-16-2012 06:36 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by theox View Post
      same problem here... V3.8 Routan SE 1999 44K, dealer serviced till 36K.

      The dealer is doing the "test" so I'll check back in 30 days.

      It's a very nice van. I really hope VW comes through and takes care of it's customers and we can put this behind us.
      My van has 44090 Miles on it !

      I see a Trend Forming !!!!

      PS , what is the Build Date on your Routan ?

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      07-16-2012 07:05 PM #37
      Its a List of T&Cs and Caravans with the same issue.

      It is time for a class action law SUIT !

      http://repairpal.com/reasons-for-exc...onsumption-167

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      07-24-2012 11:11 PM #38
      my 09 with 60k burn about 1qts in 3k miles, i would like togo longer but the oil is very dirty around that miles. so i take it in and have the oil change.
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      08-09-2012 12:55 PM #39
      After my 3rd and Final time of having an oil consumption test, my dealer needed to keep it over night for a "specialty test"

      They would not disclose what kind of test was preformed, but the car needed to stay over night, and the battery and fuse box showed signs of work being done.

      After the test was performed, VWoA contacted me and stated that i will need to have my engine rebuilt, from the ground up.

      New Rings, Seals, Bearings Etc.

      A Loaner car will be given while the work is being done, with an estimate of 1-2 weeks of work to be done.

      I guess Persistence does pay off... i just dont have the warm and fuzzy feeling here having the local dealer do this type of work. Hope they dont eff it up even worse.

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      08-09-2012 02:25 PM #40
      Tell them you don't really need the 3.8L and a 3.6L will do just fine, and ask if they'll drop a 3.6L in there and re-flash the TCU for you.

      Seriously, congratulations. Sounds like where you were at that the VW dealership re-build is a better option than the alternative. Perhaps try to negotiate something a bit longer than the typical 12mo/12k mile dealership repair warranty and see if they will throw in the VWoA extended warranty for the inconvenience. It doesn't cost them that much. (Not sure if you said you already have the extended warranty.)

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      08-10-2012 07:56 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Zambee500 View Post
      Tell them you don't really need the 3.8L and a 3.6L will do just fine, and ask if they'll drop a 3.6L in there and re-flash the TCU for you.

      Seriously, congratulations. Sounds like where you were at that the VW dealership re-build is a better option than the alternative. Perhaps try to negotiate something a bit longer than the typical 12mo/12k mile dealership repair warranty and see if they will throw in the VWoA extended warranty for the inconvenience. It doesn't cost them that much. (Not sure if you said you already have the extended warranty.)
      Im pretty happy that SOMETHING is being done. Rather than just dismissing my concerns (as usual)

      It just figures that when i really LIKE a vehicle, something like this happens. I already stresses my concerns of WHO is actually doing the work, since my local dealership is not a engine machine shop, and they already said, in multiple times, that they will be doing the engine work at the dealer.

      I will make damn sure that I receive a list of parts to be installed, and i will demand that the engine cyl bores be Honed by a Machine shop before putting in new rings.

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      08-10-2012 10:03 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by redzone98 View Post
      Im pretty happy that SOMETHING is being done. Rather than just dismissing my concerns (as usual)

      It just figures that when i really LIKE a vehicle, something like this happens. I already stresses my concerns of WHO is actually doing the work, since my local dealership is not a engine machine shop, and they already said, in multiple times, that they will be doing the engine work at the dealer.

      I will make damn sure that I receive a list of parts to be installed, and i will demand that the engine cyl bores be Honed by a Machine shop before putting in new rings.

      Seems crazy to me that in this day and age that they would do a rebuild inhouse rather than to drop in a crate motor. As posted before---have them check the heads as that was the result of another oil burner. If your down that far they might as well---and if they don't put up a stink or find a reputable shop that will redo the heads for you and do a valve job to ensure EVERYTHING is covered so it hopefully won't consume as much oil. Glad to hear your getting results---persistance pays
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      08-11-2012 06:30 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by 58kafer View Post
      Seems crazy to me that in this day and age that they would do a rebuild inhouse rather than to drop in a crate motor. As posted before---have them check the heads as that was the result of another oil burner. If your down that far they might as well---and if they don't put up a stink or find a reputable shop that will redo the heads for you and do a valve job to ensure EVERYTHING is covered so it hopefully won't consume as much oil. Glad to hear your getting results---persistance pays
      kinda bugs me that they are not just using the motor as a complete LRU. But i guess with the cost of a new crate motor, it is still cheaper for them to eat the hours of labor to put in new rings. ALL the parts cant be more than 500-600$ Retail.

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      08-15-2012 10:20 AM #44
      as Chrysler is having some issues with the 'new' Pentastar engines as well ...


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      Makes me glad that I have the 4.0 and it's been flawless... (touch wood)
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      08-16-2012 10:36 AM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by PaulAP View Post
      Makes me glad that I have the 4.0 and it's been flawless... (touch wood)
      same here, have an '09 4.0L SEL --- how many miles on your so far? mine is only at 23K so perhaps too soon to tell

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      08-16-2012 12:40 PM #47
      We have 36K on our 4.0 in under 2 years. Oil is always to the top of the line on the dipstick @ 6K intervals. What's even stranger is, the damn oil still looks clean, compared to some vehicles at 3K.
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      I've only had mine for the summer. I'm the second owner. It's an 09 Comfortline
      with RSE1. It currently has just over 40,000 kms, the last 4,000 kms are all mine.

      Lot's of road trips (that's why we bought it)

      Usage will go down during the winter, as we don't venture out as far in the snow.
      I have been monitoring all fluids, tires, brakes etc., and no issues anywhere.
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      08-16-2012 09:35 PM #49
      Don't want to jinx it, but our 4.0 has also been flawless for the 1st 47.5K. Castrol GTX 10W-30 every 3K or 3months, whichever comes 1st.

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      08-21-2012 09:03 AM #50
      it does seem like the 4.0L was a great motor for this van.

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