My V6 Story

[Audiguy84]

Uhh that pic is to small to see anything...:p

[PLAYED TT]

Yeah I couldn't zoom in on my iPhone

[sTT eV6]

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[PLAYED TT]

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[arethirdytwo]

You mention converting to 6MT however your stateside super twin Skela converted TO DSG because they claimed to be able to push more power consistently through the system. What are your thoughts on this?

[sTT eV6]

You mention converting to 6MT however your stateside super twin Skela converted TO DSG because they claimed to be able to push more power consistently through the system. What are your thoughts on this?

The DSG is better than manual, but manual can be stronger and cheaper to maintain.
I will try to keep the DSG in the TT as its fab.
Steve

[arethirdytwo]

That appears to be what he is running into, there is no shortage of money invested in that car but he is held up by the clutch packs. My guess is past that certain point (which is pretty damn high) it gets expensive to hold the power.

Manual wise, I haven't really looked into it recently but I would say it cant be much cheaper. Everyone here has struggled endlessly with high HP clutches. Nothing special power wise on my end but my VF Stage 2 with "Whisper Quiet" LWFW is not what I paid for. The clutch holds great, OEM feels, love the FW as the car revs a bit snappier. The chatter though! I mean it is kind of embarrassing. Never heard any as loud as mine.

I could actually enjoy one in the car with proper mods. I have an extra transmission now I supposed I could swap with someone.

The DSG is better than manual, but manual can be stronger and cheaper to maintain.
I will try to keep the DSG in the TT as its fab.
Steve

[sTT eV6]

I have SSP clutch packs incl their add ons which are going to be replaced under warranty due to glazing. HPA offer a DSG upgrade but it's $6k I think and they need the box.
UM have some good numbers on OEM clutch packs but I don't know how reliable it is.
Steve

[M this 2!]

I too had the VF/Clutchmasters FW. sounds like a 1" ball bearing is bouncing around in there.

I finally went thru hell, but got the REAL Sachs race engineered (no one but sachs touched it) w/ the Fourseasons heavier flywheel and life is grand!!

[sTT eV6]

As planned she has gone under the knife for a new clutch and hot parts are going to Zircotec for a little coating..

DSG

New wheels will be installed whilst she is asleep.

I should be going offshore this week so i will not need her.
Steve

[l88m22vette]

I finally went thru hell, but got the REAL Sachs race engineered (no one but sachs touched it) w/ the Fourseasons heavier flywheel and life is grand!!

I'll be selling the aluminum FW when I get your stuff Nathan (unless you want to part it), I want the 16.5lb or 20lb with a Fluidampr

Nice work on the redone DSG, what kind of driveability/longevity do you expect with the modified clutches? I've driven a stock 3.2 and it was soft, would love to drive one with a flash and more attitude

[sTT eV6]

Clutch feel is still an OEM feel until the pedal is squeezed and the gates of hell open and the push into the seat is continous, not a spike of boost.
Steve

[panakamana]

Nice build!

Where did you get the tt badge with the flag?

[sTT eV6]

Nice build!

Where did you get the tt badge with the flag?

Cheers,
the badges are from the NSU cars.
They are collectors items as NSU don't exist anymore.
Im not sure i will be fitting them as my theme has changed slightly so they could be up for sale.
Steve

[panakamana]

Cool find then.

I envy your 3.3 mine is only 2.1

If you get em up for sale im in.

[sTT eV6]

No worries, i will keep you informed.
Even a 2.1 can generate some good numbers but it will end up having its neck wrung to get to that power whereas the V6 can make the numbers with less stress..me thinks.
Steve

[panakamana]

Yes you are completely right, thats why I envy you

Im trying to make 550 hp but on full boost, very stressful for my little motor...

[sTT eV6]

I will be having some big stresses, as I'm trying to achieve 700+ on 98 RON through the DSG.
Steve

[sTT eV6]

Gearbox stripped down to inspect the clutch packs, baskets and steels..





There is wear to the friction plates for 2nd and 4th and also the associated steels.
New clutch to be fitted..but who's
Steve

[panakamana]

Yes indeed your weak ppint is the dsg. My 06 gli has one and its been 3 times i replace my flywheel and i am only pushing around 340 hp

Gl

[sTT eV6]

Yes indeed your weak ppint is the dsg. My 06 gli has one and its been 3 times i replace my flywheel and i am only pushing around 340 hp

Gl

My DSG will stay for as long as it holds up then i may have to consider going manual..but i love the DSG.

Ive decided to get a new motorsport Go Pro 2 HD cam for rear vids and i will use my MUVI for forward ones..

Steve

[jmh2002]

My DSG will stay for as long as it holds up then i may have to consider going manual..but i love the DSG.

I really dont get this line of thinking

Most people with big power have gone from manual to dsg (especially for a street car), not the other way around...

[sTT eV6]

I really dont get this line of thinking

Most people with big power have gone from manual to dsg (especially for a street car), not the other way around...

No one knows what the DSG is capeable of with standing, but im pretty sure it will be my weak point with the power ive got available.
I dont really want to be dialing it backwards when ive still got options to keep the DSG or go manual. Manual will allow me to run more bhp/torque and also have longer gears, if i want.
I do wanna keep the DSG..but will it last?
Steve

[jmh2002]

Manual will allow me to run more bhp/torque and also have longer gears, if i want.

Oh yeah.... ?

Please post all your info about this. Im sure there are many that would like to hear.

So far as I am aware, whilst the limits of the DSG are not yet defined, the proven limits are already beyond the known manual gearbox failure level.

In addition, IIUC some super long DSG gears are also available, and fitted in some cars...

I look forward to your alternative info which we dont seem to be aware of.

[sTT eV6]

As your only running 450ps you wouldn't have to worry, but some of us with higher power have to keep our options open. If the limits of the DSG clutch are being exceeded to the point of slippage, then other avenues have to be explored.
Steve

[jmh2002]

Im not talking about me, Im not worried since I have a bullet proof setup

I am however interested in your claims/suggestions.

Manual will allow me to run more bhp/torque and also have longer gears, if i want.

Please post up some facts/info since you are suggesting the complete opposite to what has become the accepted wisdom (unless you are talking about a full custom gearset/gearbox which may not be suitable for street use)

Do you know something everyone else doesnt?

[arethirdytwo]

We talked about this earlier in the thread referencing Skela. HPA has proven that the DSG is the option to go with but anyone pushing 500AWHP or more is going to need to spend $6000+ in addition to the money already spent on the existing DSG upgrades.

[jmh2002]

We talked about this earlier in the thread referencing Skela. HPA has proven that the DSG is the option to go with but anyone pushing 500AWHP or more is going to need to spend $6000+ in addition to the money already spent on the existing DSG upgrades.

Yes, I know that, and also the more recent info regarding UM's work with the DSG (650whp+?)

However, here is being suggested that a manual gearbox is a better way to go, so Im asking if Steve has some more relevant information that the rest of us arent aware of...

[sTT eV6]

There is always the option to go for a 4 motion manual box with frozen gear sets and high TQ clutch.
There is also the option for a dog box with cut gears and a sequential box, but this is not for the street.
I need street with the option to hit the strip. DSG is the way to go and until SSP or HPA can come up with proven Kevlar options, i may have to explore the limitations of stock+ setup or SSP 500+ clutch pack options for now.
TT DSG is 10 years old now and we are still waiting for proven solutions for 700+ options.
There are R32 manuals out there running big numbers, but DSGs are lagging behind cos of the clutches and tune, but UM is coming up with good results on the stock clutch packs, imagine what they can do with an improved clutch...
Steve

[NeverEnding...]

just read this start to finish, awesome build man!

[sTT eV6]

just read this start to finish, awesome build man!

Cheers.. Seems to be like your username..
Steve

[sTT eV6]

Going blue..

Steve

[carsluTT]

nice work

[sTT eV6]

Cheers..
im off to the shop tomoz for 3 days to start cleaning things up and helping to get things back together.
Steve

[ViRtUaLheretic]

There are two BT guys on golfmkv forums that are pushing just under 600whp in MKV GTIs and they have stock DSG clutchpacks with custom Revo DSG software.
They are just now starting to get the DSG to slip and are looking in to clutchpacks.
Apparently the SSP clutchpacks aren't worth the money at all, but the HPA clutchpacks work great.
There is a cheaper solution if you are interested.
linkage:
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showth...148770&page=43