Uhh that pic is to small to see anything...:p
You mention converting to 6MT however your stateside super twin Skela converted TO DSG because they claimed to be able to push more power consistently through the system. What are your thoughts on this?
That appears to be what he is running into, there is no shortage of money invested in that car but he is held up by the clutch packs. My guess is past that certain point (which is pretty damn high) it gets expensive to hold the power.
Manual wise, I haven't really looked into it recently but I would say it cant be much cheaper. Everyone here has struggled endlessly with high HP clutches. Nothing special power wise on my end but my VF Stage 2 with "Whisper Quiet" LWFW is not what I paid for. The clutch holds great, OEM feels, love the FW as the car revs a bit snappier. The chatter though! I mean it is kind of embarrassing. Never heard any as loud as mine.
I could actually enjoy one in the car with proper mods. I have an extra transmission now I supposed I could swap with someone.
I have SSP clutch packs incl their add ons which are going to be replaced under warranty due to glazing. HPA offer a DSG upgrade but it's $6k I think and they need the box.
UM have some good numbers on OEM clutch packs but I don't know how reliable it is.
As planned she has gone under the knife for a new clutch and hot parts are going to Zircotec for a little coating..
New wheels will be installed whilst she is asleep.
I should be going offshore this week so i will not need her.
Nice work on the redone DSG, what kind of driveability/longevity do you expect with the modified clutches? I've driven a stock 3.2 and it was soft, would love to drive one with a flash and more attitude
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Clutch feel is still an OEM feel until the pedal is squeezed and the gates of hell open and the push into the seat is continous, not a spike of boost.
No worries, i will keep you informed.
Even a 2.1 can generate some good numbers but it will end up having its neck wrung to get to that power whereas the V6 can make the numbers with less stress..me thinks.
I will be having some big stresses, as I'm trying to achieve 700+ on 98 RON through the DSG.
Gearbox stripped down to inspect the clutch packs, baskets and steels..
There is wear to the friction plates for 2nd and 4th and also the associated steels.
New clutch to be fitted..but who's
I dont really want to be dialing it backwards when ive still got options to keep the DSG or go manual. Manual will allow me to run more bhp/torque and also have longer gears, if i want.
I do wanna keep the DSG..but will it last?
Please post all your info about this. Im sure there are many that would like to hear.
So far as I am aware, whilst the limits of the DSG are not yet defined, the proven limits are already beyond the known manual gearbox failure level.
In addition, IIUC some super long DSG gears are also available, and fitted in some cars...
I look forward to your alternative info which we dont seem to be aware of.
As your only running 450ps you wouldn't have to worry, but some of us with higher power have to keep our options open. If the limits of the DSG clutch are being exceeded to the point of slippage, then other avenues have to be explored.
Im not talking about me, Im not worried since I have a bullet proof setup
I am however interested in your claims/suggestions.
Do you know something everyone else doesnt?
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We talked about this earlier in the thread referencing Skela. HPA has proven that the DSG is the option to go with but anyone pushing 500AWHP or more is going to need to spend $6000+ in addition to the money already spent on the existing DSG upgrades.
There is always the option to go for a 4 motion manual box with frozen gear sets and high TQ clutch.
There is also the option for a dog box with cut gears and a sequential box, but this is not for the street.
I need street with the option to hit the strip. DSG is the way to go and until SSP or HPA can come up with proven Kevlar options, i may have to explore the limitations of stock+ setup or SSP 500+ clutch pack options for now.
TT DSG is 10 years old now and we are still waiting for proven solutions for 700+ options.
There are R32 manuals out there running big numbers, but DSGs are lagging behind cos of the clutches and tune, but UM is coming up with good results on the stock clutch packs, imagine what they can do with an improved clutch...
im off to the shop tomoz for 3 days to start cleaning things up and helping to get things back together.
There are two BT guys on golfmkv forums that are pushing just under 600whp in MKV GTIs and they have stock DSG clutchpacks with custom Revo DSG software.
They are just now starting to get the DSG to slip and are looking in to clutchpacks.
Apparently the SSP clutchpacks aren't worth the money at all, but the HPA clutchpacks work great.
There is a cheaper solution if you are interested.
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