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    Thread: 10k Revs of 2.5L Big Turbo AWD Rabbit Madness!

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    1. 06-20-2011 06:35 PM #1
      Originally dubbed Project Mad Rabbit This 2007 Rabbit over the last 2 months has been a fun project that we are really looking forward to. This car was previously an SCCA SSC car which besides the cage meant that it was virtually stock. Over the last 2 months we have slowly been transforming it and trying out different setups. Currently it has the following modifications

      • H&R Front and Rear Swaybars
      • BSH Sway Bar End Links
      • JC Cross Competition Coilovers
      • United Motorsport Short Runner Intake
      • Bluewater Performance Stage 1 Flex Fuel Tune
      • Eurojet Header
      • Eurojet Exhaust
      • Full 6 point Race Cage
      • Thunderbunny Rear Bumper
      • Thunderbunny Side Skirts
      • Votex Lower Front Lip
      • Bluewater Battery Relocation Kit
      • Ported and Polished Head

      We plan on dynoing the current setup and we are hoping for around 220whp which would make it the highest HP NA Rabbit and as soon as we are finished at the dyno we are starting stage 2 of the transformation.

      Stage 2 will consist of
      • Integrated Engineering Rods
      • JE 8.5:1cr Pistons
      • Knife Edged Crankshaft
      • Precision 6765 Billet turbine Ball Bearing Turbo
      • 3" Downpipe
      • Custom Cams
      • Bluewater Performance Billet Valve Cover
      • Custom Turbo Manifold
      • Custom Stainless intercooler Piping
      • Treadstone Front Mount Intercooler
      • Bora 4 Motion Drivetrain
      • Peloquin Diff
      • 08 Golf R32 Rear AWD Swap
      • Sparco Pro ADV Race Seats
      • Sparco 5 Point Harnesses
      • Wheels and Tires TBD



      Ultimately the goal for this car is to be ready in time to go out to Bonneville in September with our turbo R and then compete in NASA sanctioned racing events and possibly the Eurotuner GP.
      We have hp goals of around the 600hp-700hp range and are building it to rev all the way to 10k!! which will make this thing amazing to drive and hear! None of this would be possible without the help of United Motorsport and United Motorsport UK. They are a big sponsor of this project and we are happy to have them along with us. We love the 2.5L engine and feel that there is so much potential for this setup.
























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      06-20-2011 06:55 PM #2
      wow cant wait to see the final product.
      in for the dynos
      for more companies contributing to the 2.5l society

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      06-20-2011 07:07 PM #3
      WDF im so in for this!

    4. 06-20-2011 07:10 PM #4
      how much do i have to pay you to make my car like this. ill drive there and meet you

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      06-24-2011 01:19 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by nightshift1963 View Post
      how much do i have to pay you to make my car like this. ill drive there and meet you
      Yay a new nightshift
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      06-24-2011 01:30 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Yay a new nightshift

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      06-20-2011 07:15 PM #7
      No valvetrain work for 10k?

      And also, only 220 whp on na?

      I'm not bashing, nor its my intention... But I thought with headers and intake mani, 210 was easy with the software... Add to that the e85 and I thought more than 220 was possible. I do understand that you are sying that "at least" 220... But I'd think that "at least" it would be 230whp.. That, if e85 is that good.

      On the valvetrain, I have read over and over that after 8k you start to be on the edge... So 10k would def need an upgrade... Also, is the crank pulley needed?? Or this is on the stock pulley???

      Lastly, you said 08 r rear... What about the box itself? Dsg? Manual?

    8. 06-20-2011 07:31 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by thygreyt View Post
      No valvetrain work for 10k?

      And also, only 220 whp on na?

      I'm not bashing, nor its my intention... But I thought with headers and intake mani, 210 was easy with the software... Add to that the e85 and I thought more than 220 was possible. I do understand that you are sying that "at least" 220... But I'd think that "at least" it would be 230whp.. That, if e85 is that good.

      On the valvetrain, I have read over and over that after 8k you start to be on the edge... So 10k would def need an upgrade... Also, is the crank pulley needed?? Or this is on the stock pulley???

      Lastly, you said 08 r rear... What about the box itself? Dsg? Manual?
      We will be pushing as far as we can on the stock drivetrain to see where it tops out at and then we will be upgrading from there. As far as HP numbers go keep in mind that the density altitude of where we dyno is typically around 6500' elevation which is a huge factor on the dyno numbers so we lose quite a bit up here. Also we will be using a Bora 4 Motion manual box. We were going to do the DSG swap but with our power goal the DSG box isn't proven to hold that much so we opted for a manual box for the time being.

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      06-20-2011 07:46 PM #9
      What about the crank pulley?? Keeping it stock?

      Also, shouldn't the dyno have altitude correction??

    10. 06-20-2011 07:53 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by thygreyt View Post
      What about the crank pulley?? Keeping it stock?

      Also, shouldn't the dyno have altitude correction??
      The crank pulley will be upgraded along with many other parts not listed but we will update the list as we go. Also we can put in altitude correction so I can post uncorrected and corrected HP numbers.

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      06-20-2011 10:35 PM #11
      Any videos of the car on the track?
      I would love to watch it for a few laps.

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      06-26-2011 12:21 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by tay272 View Post
      When do you guys plan on dynoing your NA setup? Im anxious to see how much power can be made with all those parts since thats most likely the direction Ill be going with my car.
      x2

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      06-28-2011 01:38 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by gabe@bwperformance View Post
      We are planning on dynoing the car before it gets torn apart but for now we are tearing apart the interior and removing all sorts of weight. I will post a pic soon of the parts that were removed but for now we removed an additional 200lbs today and we expect to be able to remove an additional 200 tomorrow which will bring the cars total weight according to the corner balance scales to around 2500lbs.
      That's awesome.
      I excited to see how gutted the car needs be to reach that weight.
      Our cars would feel a lot quicker if they weren't so portly.
      All for safety, so I suppose it's ok.

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      06-28-2011 03:08 AM #14
      do share all you are doing..

      i dont mind removing rear seats, spare, and all the misc minimal stuff...

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      06-28-2011 07:31 AM #15
      Yeah that is ALOT of weight to remove from that car. Id like to know what all came out of it, Im assuming the entire interior except the stuff that needs to stay.
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    16. 06-28-2011 11:15 AM #16
      Yeah pretty much the entire interior except for the dash. We have removed a total of 260lbs in the interior but of course the cage weighs about 120lbs. The extra weight which hasnt been removed as of yet will be the entire HVAC system, additional wiring, glass (which will be replaced with polycarbonate), Emissions System, A/C Components, and much more. WE are hoping that the car will sit nicely around 2800lbs-2900lbs when it is all said and done with the big turbo and the AWD setup.

    17. 06-30-2011 11:45 AM #17
      2800-2900 awd would be perfect for a race rabbit. The good thing about this build is you can add weights wherever possible to make the car somewhat even at all 4 corners.
      As mentioned above please post your results on the NA setup, I've always been a big fan of the 2.5 and is considering doing an Audi b5 A4quattro with the 2.5 turbocharged in the near future.

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      07-17-2011 11:17 AM #18
      Of those two, I say TMBs.

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      07-17-2011 01:11 PM #19
      Neither... CCW forged or if you must have 3 piece, I suggest 17" CCW Classic Race's... They start at 2300 a set and if you f*ck up a lip or inner, they are very cheap. Like $175 IIRC.. Check em out
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    20. 07-17-2011 03:25 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Neither... CCW forged or if you must have 3 piece, I suggest 17" CCW Classic Race's... They start at 2300 a set and if you f*ck up a lip or inner, they are very cheap. Like $175 IIRC.. Check em out
      couldn't agree more.

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      07-17-2011 03:54 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by DerekH View Post
      couldn't agree more.
      I sold my set w/o tires for $1800+ a set of Porsche twists w/adapters and hankook R compounds, and a set of LM reps with stretched Falken 912's Plus they look great
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    22. 07-20-2011 02:33 AM #22
      Well our heads are still spinning here on which wheels to choose. Honestly we might just opt for something light and cheap because we eventually would like to have 2 sets since we will be tracking it all the time. So the 3 piece forged wheels might be out unless a wheel sponsor steps up in a major way!

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      08-15-2011 09:37 PM #24
      Yeah on 93 octane it should be pretty close to 205. I dont have a header yet but Ill be getting one from EJ when they come out with their revised edition. After I get that installed I wanna hit the dyno again and see what Im up to. This E85 flash may be in the future but not for awhile.
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      08-16-2011 05:05 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by thygreyt View Post
      dyno yet?
      Please.....
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    26. 08-17-2011 11:12 AM #27
      We will have an NA dyno at some point. Please keep in mind that the car is completely torn down at this point so we can't just wheel it over. Eurotuner magazine has asked us to keep things a little on the down low as they want to be able to show the progress in their magazine so I told them I wouldn't update with pics until something comes out from them however I will tell you that the AWD swap is done, Integrated Engineering has teamed up with us on this project as well and a box full of parts just arrived yesterday, and we just ordered the wheels which are CCW Classics, Race Versions. 18" x 10.5" Black shot peened faces anodized black with the lips anodized red.

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      08-18-2011 07:57 PM #28
      The gallardo unit would make VW awd conversions much simpler then wouldn't it?

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      08-18-2011 08:04 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by dubinsincuwereindiapers View Post
      The gallardo unit would make VW awd conversions much simpler then wouldn't it?
      Sure... No wiring and recoding to do... BUT expensive, the differential unit itself goes for ~$2000 and you would have to have a custom drive shaft made, possibly custom axles(Im goin to see if
      r32 axles fit or if Gallardo axles will match the rear knuckle splines). On top of that you would need to fabricate brackets for it
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      08-18-2011 08:08 PM #30
      Fabrication being a non issue, what if any o2m tranny is the final drive compatible with?

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      08-20-2011 02:45 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by BlackRabbit2point5 View Post
      man not having seen this thread before made me realize how long its been since I've popped in here. Definitely keeping my eyes on this and rereading through a few times over the next few days. Planning on snagging another BGP up to build in about a year in preparation for a Precision Billet 6262 ball bearing. AWD conversion will definitely be following behind that shortly.

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      08-20-2011 02:52 PM #32
      eh not quite, anyone on here who knows me knows this will happen but will take forever
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      08-20-2011 02:53 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by BlackRabbit2point5 View Post
      eh not quite, anyone on here who knows me knows this will happen but will take forever
      Don't get upset bud.. Read in the context of the thread it begged for a "CSB"

    33. 08-29-2011 02:51 PM #34
      Small update coming soon. The engine is officially back together and the T4 turbo manifold is complete.

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      08-29-2011 05:51 PM #35
      Does that mean we'll be getting a dyno then soon?
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