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    Thread: 10k Revs of 2.5L Big Turbo AWD Rabbit Madness!

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      08-12-2011 12:32 AM #106
      Quote Originally Posted by gabe@bwperformance View Post
      Eventually we will find out but I have a hunch that with the stock intake cams are not going to make a huge difference in power.
      Well, you sold me my United sri... and I'd like to find out what adding cams would do either way I'll be ready for the cams when Integrated lets them loose.

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      08-12-2011 10:08 AM #107
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      ok.. found it.


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      what power do you hope to put down with the above setup?? 200whp?
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      08-12-2011 07:17 PM #109
      DYNNNOOOSSSSS!!! I wanna see some prehistoric **** haha.
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      08-13-2011 10:34 AM #110
      awesome!

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      08-13-2011 06:29 PM #111
      so 210-215whp on e85 right? any idea what the power difference will be when running 93? i don't have access to ethanol out here in MA, it sucks...
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      08-13-2011 08:16 PM #112
      Quote Originally Posted by LampyB View Post
      so 210-215whp on e85 right? any idea what the power difference will be when running 93? i don't have access to ethanol out here in MA, it sucks...
      ~193whp with those said mods on 93oct. When I had the evo header I dyno'd 182whp mods were evo header, my handmade cai, and Unitronic stage2 and hf cat with tt catback
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      08-15-2011 07:46 PM #113
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      ~193whp with those said mods on 93oct. When I had the evo header I dyno'd 182whp mods were evo header, my handmade cai, and Unitronic stage2 and hf cat with tt catback
      Are you saying you dyno'd 193whp, or are you talking about Taylors car?

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      08-15-2011 08:49 PM #114
      Quote Originally Posted by DrivenAllDay View Post
      Are you saying you dyno'd 193whp, or are you talking about Taylors car?
      No Im saying the mods the BW bunny has n/a which were EJ header/exhaust, ported polished head, UM im, on e85 should around the said 210-220whp. On 93oct Im guessing 193whp, my car dyno'd 182 with evo header, hf cat, tt exaust, cai, unitronic stage 2 93oct. If I had a intake manifold and some bigger injectors 205whp on pump gas was realistic. On e85 easily 215-220whp. I dont really know how to add the port and polish into the equation I dont feel it'll give much gains for a low revving motor with stock valve without boost, tho I read some guy that did it claimed 20whp gained from doing to his buddies 2.5, so that Im not sure of
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      08-15-2011 09:37 PM #116
      Yeah on 93 octane it should be pretty close to 205. I dont have a header yet but Ill be getting one from EJ when they come out with their revised edition. After I get that installed I wanna hit the dyno again and see what Im up to. This E85 flash may be in the future but not for awhile.
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      08-16-2011 01:25 PM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      No Im saying the mods the BW bunny has n/a which were EJ header/exhaust, ported polished head, UM im, on e85 should around the said 210-220whp. On 93oct Im guessing 193whp, my car dyno'd 182 with evo header, hf cat, tt exaust, cai, unitronic stage 2 93oct. If I had a intake manifold and some bigger injectors 205whp on pump gas was realistic. On e85 easily 215-220whp. I dont really know how to add the port and polish into the equation I dont feel it'll give much gains for a low revving motor with stock valve without boost, tho I read some guy that did it claimed 20whp gained from doing to his buddies 2.5, so that Im not sure of
      Keep in mind he is in Denver so altitude is a big factor.

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      08-16-2011 05:05 PM #119
      Quote Originally Posted by thygreyt View Post
      dyno yet?
      Please.....
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    13. 08-17-2011 11:12 AM #120
      We will have an NA dyno at some point. Please keep in mind that the car is completely torn down at this point so we can't just wheel it over. Eurotuner magazine has asked us to keep things a little on the down low as they want to be able to show the progress in their magazine so I told them I wouldn't update with pics until something comes out from them however I will tell you that the AWD swap is done, Integrated Engineering has teamed up with us on this project as well and a box full of parts just arrived yesterday, and we just ordered the wheels which are CCW Classics, Race Versions. 18" x 10.5" Black shot peened faces anodized black with the lips anodized red.

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      08-17-2011 11:44 AM #121
      Glad to see you went with the CCW's. They are so cost effective

      Im going to pm you later about the wiring up of the haldex and coding. Have you guys thought of using a Gallardo front differential for the rear which should be full time drive. We have one here we got for 1100$ out of an 06 which doesnt have a wiring harness period, and the r32 rear axles should fit... Underground Racing takes these off the Gallardo's to make them RWD, and sell them off unless the owners want them on... It seems it will bolt up to the rear support of the mkvr rear subframe, you just have to make the brackets.


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    15. 08-17-2011 01:19 PM #122
      Wow that looks amazing and it doesn't look like it would be too hard to fab up some brackets to make it fit....

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      08-17-2011 01:41 PM #123
      Quote Originally Posted by gabe@bwperformance View Post
      Wow that looks amazing and it doesn't look like it would be too hard to fab up some brackets to make it fit....
      Well its light too. I dont think r32 axles will fit, but if the Gallardo axles are the same spline they should work. Its was supposed to be used on an Audi project but I may just take it and play around with it. They are good to 2000whp, as seen by UR!lol
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      08-17-2011 05:02 PM #124
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Glad to see you went with the CCW's. They are so cost effective

      Im going to pm you later about the wiring up of the haldex and coding. Have you guys thought of using a Gallardo front differential for the rear which should be full time drive. We have one here we got for 1100$ out of an 06 which doesnt have a wiring harness period, and the r32 rear axles should fit... Underground Racing takes these off the Gallardo's to make them RWD, and sell them off unless the owners want them on... It seems it will bolt up to the rear support of the mkvr rear subframe, you just have to make the brackets.

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      Love the idea

      and to make the most of it, you'll need a clutch-type LSD since the rear is all dependent on the right shaft output
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      08-18-2011 11:17 AM #125
      Quote Originally Posted by EL_3grab View Post
      Love the idea

      and to make the most of it, you'll need a clutch-type LSD since the rear is all dependent on the right shaft output
      Not necessarily. UR makes a LSD for the front diffy, just the $109,000 stage3 kit deletes the front diffy all together. AFAIK only 3 Lambo's have kept the front diffy with the upgraded LSD
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      08-18-2011 05:01 PM #126
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Not necessarily. UR makes a LSD for the front diffy, just the $109,000 stage3 kit deletes the front diffy all together. AFAIK only 3 Lambo's have kept the front diffy with the upgraded LSD
      I mean on the VAG gearbox

      with TBD diff, the front-right wheel could lose all traction (lifted, snow, sand...etc) and no power will got to the rear diff

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      08-18-2011 06:41 PM #127
      Quote Originally Posted by EL_3grab View Post
      I mean on the VAG gearbox

      with TBD diff, the front-right wheel could lose all traction (lifted, snow, sand...etc) and no power will got to the rear diff
      It doesn't work that way for obvious reasons (it is a vw though so who the ef knows what dumb **** they'll try and pull).

      Front wheels are connected to the front diff. T-case is connected to final drive and has no correlation with the front diff mechanism (spiders, lsd clutches, what have u).

      You certainly wouldn't 3 of your tires driven by one side of a differential...

      Side ?: Does that lambo front diff use a viscious coupler or something of the sort?
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      08-18-2011 07:11 PM #128
      Quote Originally Posted by akauf View Post
      T-case is connected to final drive
      T-case is connected to the right output from the gearbox

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      08-18-2011 07:22 PM #129
      Quote Originally Posted by EL_3grab View Post
      T-case is connected to the right output from the gearbox

      nope, it isnt, i assure you. Look at the flaw you pointed out Do u think that sounds like a good design? Right side of the front diff gives power to all 3 wheels and left side to one wheel. All that load on one side of the diff would be poor performing and unreliable to say the least.

      Now look at the picture you posted. See where it says hollow shaft? That hollow shaft connects the t-case to the diff cage. Inside of this hollow shaft is the front right axle shaft. The axle shaft passes through this hollow shaft and connects to the right spider (or lsd, or whatever). it is a shaft inside of a shaft and I ASSURE U the right front axle DOES NOT connect to the t-case. The diff cage, thus direct connection to final drive, is how the t-case receives power input.

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      08-18-2011 07:46 PM #130
      Quote Originally Posted by akauf View Post
      nope, it isnt, i assure you. Look at the flaw you pointed out Do u think that sounds like a good design? Right side of the front diff gives power to all 3 wheels and left side to one wheel. All that load on one side of the diff would be poor performing and unreliable to say the least.

      Now look at the picture you posted. See where it says hollow shaft? That hollow shaft connects the t-case to the diff cage. Inside of this hollow shaft is the front right axle shaft. The axle shaft passes through this hollow shaft and connects to the right spider (or lsd, or whatever). it is a shaft inside of a shaft and I ASSURE U the right front axle DOES NOT connect to the t-case. The diff cage, thus direct connection to final drive, is how the t-case receives power input.
      and I thought I knew my **** , thanks for clearing that up, its actually make alot more sense

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      08-18-2011 07:48 PM #131
      I dont know about the coupler bs, but the Gallardo is full time awd. This WILL handle 1300ftlbstq before it starts to eat the gearing inside. UR makes custom rings for the differential to handle godly amounts of torque and horsepower. I figured it would have to be run with a full locking front differential because it is not a Haldex unit that kicks on when its told the front wheels are losing traction, so why not Also it would be sweet to have full time awd

      It is a pipe dream as of right now, we just have one in our posession and I want to use it in something Who knows maybe over winter I will try to locate a transfer case for the front
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      08-18-2011 07:56 PM #132
      Quote Originally Posted by EL_3grab View Post
      and I thought I knew my **** , thanks for clearing that up, its actually make alot more sense
      haha, no prob dude. I think this is a common misconception. I wasnt sure how it worked until i had a t-case off a trans and a good look at a diff for a awd vs a diff for a fwd. The inner and outer shaft clears it up.

      The biggest flaw of the 4motion / haldex is still the lack of a center diff set up.

      Also just noticed your the same guy posting in morphin's thread in golfmkv! All over these awd I5 swaps huh?

      These builds have me thinking about converting the awd i did to a 2.5 and ditching that fsi bs.

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      08-18-2011 07:57 PM #133
      The gallardo unit would make VW awd conversions much simpler then wouldn't it?

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      08-18-2011 08:00 PM #134
      He is wrong about one thing tho... The right axle does connect to the transfer case just doesnt power it

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      08-18-2011 08:04 PM #135
      Quote Originally Posted by dubinsincuwereindiapers View Post
      The gallardo unit would make VW awd conversions much simpler then wouldn't it?
      Sure... No wiring and recoding to do... BUT expensive, the differential unit itself goes for ~$2000 and you would have to have a custom drive shaft made, possibly custom axles(Im goin to see if
      r32 axles fit or if Gallardo axles will match the rear knuckle splines). On top of that you would need to fabricate brackets for it
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      Fabrication being a non issue, what if any o2m tranny is the final drive compatible with?

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      08-18-2011 08:13 PM #137
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      I dont know about the coupler bs, but the Gallardo is full time awd. This WILL handle 1300ftlbstq before it starts to eat the gearing inside. UR makes custom rings for the differential to handle godly amounts of torque and horsepower. I figured it would have to be run with a full locking front differential because it is not a Haldex unit that kicks on when its told the front wheels are losing traction, so why not Also it would be sweet to have full time awd

      It is a pipe dream as of right now, we just have one in our posession and I want to use it in something Who knows maybe over winter I will try to locate a transfer case for the front
      Thats a front diff right? Which way does the drive shaft spin to drive it?

      Background info: The 4 motion drive shaft spins ( if looking down the drive shaft form the front of the car at the input of the rear diff) clockwise (CW).

      Situation 1: if this lambo diff receives a CW input (again looking at the input shaft to the diff) in a lambo, it would spin the wheels backwards if simply turned 180 degrees in a rwd application. You would have to rotate it 180 degrees and flip it upside down and then the pan would be on the bottom.

      Situation 2:Now say the lambo diff receives a ccw input. The gears re now meshing on the wrong faces when the diff is turned 180 degrees and accepting a cw input from the 4motion drive shaft. Not going to work for helical gears. Reverse cut R&P is needed.
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      08-18-2011 08:16 PM #138
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      He is wrong about one thing tho... The right axle does connect to the transfer case just doesnt power it

      the axle goes THROUGH the transfer case, as I previously explained. There is a bolt inside the axle shaft about 9 inches in that bolts the right front axle to the front diff. It spins freely inside the t-case and is carried by a bearing where it exits the t-case housing on the right side.

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      08-18-2011 08:24 PM #139
      no wiring and no different ABS controller + no lag

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Yatmybd1s

      all time 50:50 F/R split.

      In essence any compact diff-case with 1:1 ratio and available choice of LSD
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      08-18-2011 08:30 PM #140
      Quote Originally Posted by akauf View Post
      Thats a front diff right? Which way does the drive shaft spin to drive it?

      Situation 1: The 4 motion drive shaft spins ( if looking down the drive shaft form the front of the car at the input of the rear diff) clockwise (CW). if this lambo diff receives a CW input (again looking at the input shaft to the diff) in a lambo, it would spin the wheels backwards if simply turned 180 degrees in a rwd application. You would have to rotate it 180 degrees and flip it upside down and then the pan would be on the bottom.

      Situation 2:Now say the lambo diff receives a ccw input. The gears re now meshing on the wrong faces when the diff is turned 180 degrees and accepting a cw input from the 4motion drive shaft. Not going to work for helical gears. Reverse cut R&P is needed.
      Its either or. You can turn it cw and ccw and the left and right hubs rotate either way. Are they helical gears or straight cut.... Like I said its a pipe dream right now, but it was in an audi and the owner wanted to go with a solid rear axle for a drag car, so this is laying around for now. Im going to call UR next week to see if they are in fact helical if So I may have reverse cuts made at a shop in Akron that cuts custom gears.
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