24v Quest for 550+HP experianced oppinions welcomed!

[joeeveryman87]

I have about the same build you were looking for in my car and I posted it a while ago if you want to read what I did to it the thread is called m vr6 build I make around 500wph

I would also suggest a bullseye power s362 double bat Turbo cause there awesome

Never heard of that turbo, thanks for the input tho ill def hit up your build thread

[joeeveryman87]

Polish polish POLISH!!!! helps pass the time while you waiting on other things to arrive i suppose

[RBPE]

Cars coming on nicely!
So did you lot across the pond only get fwd 24v's? Ours were only 4 motion and a bit over 200hp in the old A3 was bad enough with fwd (non ATB diff tho), let alone the 400-500whp+ some of you are running!

Did you get the R32 in the States? Was thinking with the money you've spent on engine and prep you should look into sourcing Haldex for it.

[joeeveryman87]

Befor............



AFTER...........



Boner!!!!! lol

Big thanks to classic components, great quality even better price!!!

[joeeveryman87]

Little shot of it with my little 180degree turn around for the catch can!

[joeeveryman87]

Btw finally found a place who makes Custom equal length tube manifolds for the transverse mounted 24v VR's for 900-1,080euro (roughly $1,400 US) JBS makes them, im very strongly contemplating getting one for my build

[Snitches Get Stitches]

Can u post a link or pics of such a manifold?
Thank you

[joeeveryman87]

Can u post a link or pics of such a manifold?
Thank you

http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/list...built?show=all

I already talked to them, you have to give them your entire performance setup, and they build your manifold custom to your specs

[joeeveryman87]

Got the Re-Done "R" head back today



So many valve guides!!!! lol





And had to do a quick mock up of the fuel rail and chrome valve cover!!!!!








Ill be working on putting all the valves back into the head.........in the mean time i would really like some help from you guys, i need "R" injectors and an "R" throttle body, then it will be install time i look in the classifieds everyday but maybe you guys have someone you know who has the things i need, Thanks ALOT!!!

[joeeveryman87]

Took me 40min to remove all 24 valves..........took me an hour to install 4 of them lol





this is the tool that made my life during this so much easier!



Do you guys think i can con TT into a sponsorship with this??
COMPLETED

[Jo|\|]

I have a few fuel parts you may be interested in. I was planning on doing a build similar to yours, but I decided to go an all motor route and don't need this big of a fuel system.

PICS HERE: http://imgur.com/a/Hc7S0

The FPR is http://aeromotiveinc.com/products-pa...ass-regulator/, the injectors are Siemens 870cc, and there are 2 walbro gsl392.

I've been looking for a stock rail and saw you had one for sale over in 3.2 technical, let me know if you want to do an exchange of some kind, or not I still want a stock rail either way.

I also have enough AN fitting to convert the whole fuel system to AN, a Y fitting to run the two pumps in parallel, and two sets of upper/lower timing covers.

Let me know if your interested in any of it, or if anyone else wants any of it. I'm not quite ready to go to the classifieds with it yet.

[joeeveryman87]

^^PM'd^^

[joeeveryman87]

Well financially i was gonna wait another 2-3months to start this head swap but a bad alternator is forceing me to start this weekend (considering i have to pull the front end off anyway)

-----ITEMS LEFT TO GET-----

-C2 SRI
-2.8head gasket
-Custom ARP head studs
-034 FPR housing
-4Bar FPR
-K&N Air Filter
-Battery Relo kit
-Alternator
-C2 Flash

AND THE ONLY THING I CANT GET MY HANDS ON FOR A DECENT PRICE(HEEEEEEEELP ME OUT!!!) an R32 Throttle Body, help me get one please guys!

[joeeveryman87]

swapped out the stock R rail for a New 034 CNC fuel rail, + twin walbro inline fuel pumps, stainless braided lines.......man super boner Haha

[joeeveryman87]

Few tear down shot









Had only one slip up, we broke the lower chain guide on the head besides that it went pretty smoothly, took me about 5hrs to pull the head off! Next.......new head goes on

[GRN6IX]

[joeeveryman87]

couple issues......so far Napa, O'Rieleys, and autozone all have ordered the 12v version of the head gasket "kit" i need (def need the 24v version lol), dont know wtf the deal is. they order it under my specific engion (DOHC 24v 2.8lit V6 BDF) and still get the 12v "AFP" version!!!! WTF???? so i may just order the head gasket and valve cover gasket seperate, from TT, cause VW is WAAAAAAY to expensive!

The only other issue is getting new O-Rings for the used "R" injectors, so far Napa is the only ones who can get some, and they can only get the "top" rings(.70cents a pop) for some odd reason, and fackin VW wants $6.35 per O-Ring (for the bottom rings) i mean cmon man....there fackin O-Rings if anyone knows a different hook-up let me know!

Thanks guys!!!!

[joeeveryman87]

hoooooooright! Got the gaskets! Next steps......

-Tap out 2.8lit block from 10mil to 11mil to accomodate new studs
-Relocate coolant tank for catch can, and run new lines
-Measure and aquire new vacuum lines (possibly get 42Drafts Inline vacuum line setup, not sure yet)
-Measure and aquire new fuel lines, and nesessary fittings
-Install new alternator
-Modify and clean up now visible heat shield

.........and the list goes on holy shatness its never ending lol

Another pic of the old versus new rail, crazy stuff!



and yet again another New fitment to head, once you start these projects, nothing goes as originally planned

[Jo|\|]

Isn't the 2.8 block already at 11mm?

[joeeveryman87]

Isn't the 2.8 block already at 11mm?

haha so i just found out a few hours ago i bought the drill/tap kit from 034 for literally now reason(wasted $55 ) not really their fault, i suppose i didnt explain it well enough to them what exactly i was doin, they must've thought i had an R32, and not just doing an R32 head swap........whatever lol (fyi 034 also says you have to drill out the head itself for the bolts to fit.....nope the ARP bolts fit just fine, the "R" head is sittin on my car right now, ZERO drilling required)

Anywho couple new pics..............

ARP HeadStuds



R32 head sitting comfortably on the 2.8Block ZERO drilling required, slipped on like an OJ! also new alternator installed, and catch can and coolant reserve mocked up in their future spots!

[Jo|\|]

I was just messing with the stock 2.8 head bolts. They fit in the 2.8 but not the 3.2 head. 034 must have meant if you run stock 2.8 bolts instead of studs.

[joeeveryman87]

I was just messing with the stock 2.8 head bolts. They fit in the 2.8 but not the 3.2 head. 034 must have meant if you run stock 2.8 bolts instead of studs.

ya the stock 2.8 bolts are clearly much bigger, but even if you go onto 034's website where they sell the 2.8lit 24v ARP kit, it says they wont fit the "R" head without drilling the head 1mm larger?? weird, but maybe my R head is unique idk Isnt it Weird how the more powerful engine comes stock with smaller head studs?

[joeeveryman87]

Torqued, Timed and ready to go!



BlingBling



Here's sm i found interesting.....R32 Housing(left) 2.8lit Housing(right) notice their not very similar at all on the back side



Question, are the cam adjusters the same? cause im useing the ones off the 2.8, cause this "R" head came with everthing except those

[Jo|\|]

Other then the position indicator ring thingy, the letter in the part number and other serial like numbers, they seem to be the same. The amount of rotation on the intake is the same, intake and exhaust on both sets are marked 24E on intake and 32A on exhaust.

Part numbers from adjusters in the pictures:
022109087K - 3.2 intake
022109088N - 3.2 exhaust

022109087E - 2.8 intake
022109088G - 2.8 exhaust

ETKA part numbers:


FYI on the exhaust adjuster there is a spring loaded internal locking pin that has to be depressed with oil pressure before it can rotate.

Album with big pics:
http://imgur.com/a/C673I

Intake - 3.2 left / 2.8 right


Exhaust - 3.2 left / 2.8 right

[joeeveryman87]

So do you fore see any issues with the difference in the adjusters? ive read up on other threads regarding this head swap, and no one really gets into the details of the difference between the two housing's and adjusters......guess it would just be good to know wether i need to get my hands on some "R" cam adjusters befor i button everything up, and throw a bunch of engine codes or sm, thanks!

[Jo|\|]

With the amount of money you have in this build please find someone who knows, don't listen to me.

I don't see a problem though.

I've heard Jeff Atwood mentioned in some 3.2/2.8 hybrid post before and he definitely knows about VRs. I'd go ask him. Get one of his tunes while you're there also, he did write C2s when he worked for them.
http://www.unitedmotorsport.net/

[joeeveryman87]

Called united, and everyone is unsure wether it will cause any issues or not.......they suggest I get ahold of some R cam adjusters fml

[joeeveryman87]

Im coming to the conclusion that the R32 cam adjuster i have must've come off a euro "R" or sm ive look at a bunch of other threads doing this swap and all of them have "IDENTICAL" "R" cam gears and adjuster housings as the 2.8lit, im not sure why the cam gears in your picture are different, but my buddy back home sent a pic of his "R" cam gears (while he was tearing the engine down, from stock) and there are identical looking as my 2.8 ones, the "plate" on the backsides are the same EXACTLY, his "R" looks nothing like the one on the left in the picture.

not only that, but i found that the upper timing chain cover that came with this head is completey different from the one that came off my car, the cam positioning sensors on it are smaller and screwed down in a different location and the plugs for them on my car dont fit??? also the "intake" adjustment valve (male end, on the adjuster housing) wont fit my plug for it aswell?? i have not heard of any of these issues and ive read through soooooo many threads on this swap, my bently manual(and VW themselves) also states that all VVT part numbers from the 2.8lit to the R32 are identical, this confuses the shat out of me.......

Ive decided to tear everthing back down and put all my stock VVT stuff back on with the new head, and take my chances with that, if all the part numbers are the same i cant see it making a difference, and if it does, whats the worse that could happen? an engine light and runs rough? its not like i'll bend valves and blow the motor right......

Your thoughts are MORE than welcome at this point

[Jo|\|]

The 3.2 head I have has the same vvt housing as yours, exposed oil passages, and the 2.8 head I have is also the same as your stock, internal oil passages.

It could just be a revision change. Head over to the 3.2 forum and ask around.

As for not running vvt I'm pretty sure it's ok. The standalone guys can't run it on their systems. I think the system fails/defaults in a safe position. It would be like cranking the motor by hand, no oil pressure to actuate the adjusters.

[joeeveryman87]

The 3.2 head I have has the same vvt housing as yours, exposed oil passages, and the 2.8 head I have is also the same as your stock, internal oil passages.

It could just be a revision change. Head over to the 3.2 forum and ask around.

As for not running vvt I'm pretty sure it's ok. The standalone guys can't run it on their systems. I think the system fails/defaults in a safe position. It would be like cranking the motor by hand, no oil pressure to actuate the adjusters.

Thanks for your input man def been very helpful btw good tip off for the "R" TB on ebay, was def the best deal that i'd seen so far! and heres a comparison between the two, the "R" TB is actually so much bigger you can fit the 2.8TB inside of it

[joeeveryman87]

These are the small differences i was reffering to just FYI......

on the upper timing cover, the cam position sensors are mounted different as well as being a different size all together(the R32 holes are bigger and screw mounting holes in different spots) the cam adjusting sensor ports are also smaller on the R32

R32(top) 2.8(bottom)



on the housing adjuster itself, besides the obvious physical differences there is one slight difference with the cam adjuster plugs themselves, on the "R" the intake adjuster plug is smaller than the one on the 2.8, so in other words the 2.8female plug end dosnt fit the R's if that makes any sense lol

R32(top) 2.8(bottom)

[Jo|\|]

Post the part numbers for the both covers and vvt housings. I'll take a look at the numbers I have and compare them to the parts system.

The only thing I can think of is they came from a non R32 3.2L cars. Like the Touareg or Cayenne, they run Longitudinal (front to back) vs transverse (side to side) like ours. So they may just run different connectors and orientations.

[Jo|\|]

Take a look at the upper timing cover on this MK5 R32 long block.
http://forums.thecarlounge.com/showt...VR6-Long-block

This Cayenne vvt looks like all the other 2.8 and 3.2 MK4 vvt setups.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3462005

So I keep finding more info as I type this. It looks like my 3.2 adjusters and vvt housing came from a MK5. Look at the under side of the housing in this pic from a MK5 R32 build http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_oULNjMnJnt...+stuff+047.jpg. Notice the little nubs of metal that point downward on the MK4 vvt housings are missing.

Check the model number on your 3.2 head against these numbers.
022103351F - MK5 3.2 head
022103351D - MK4 3.2 head

If your head is a mk4 one I think you're safe running 2.8 adjusters and vvt housing. I remember reading something about being able to run mk5 adjusters and vvt on a mk4 head, but I don't know about mixing MK4/5 adjusters and vvt. Either go full mk4 or mk5.

Check vvt housing, timing cover and seals against these numbers. If they don't match post the numbers you have. The numbers on the seals are on the outside of the cover and a VERY tiny, probably .5mm or less tiny.

Upper timing cover
066109122H - MK4 R32
066109122K - MK5 R32

Upper timing cover seals
066109091A - 2.8 & MK4 3.2
03H109091 - MK5 R32

VVT housing
066109210AA - MK4 R32
03H109210B - MK5 R32

[joeeveryman87]

Take a look at the upper timing cover on this MK5 R32 long block.
http://forums.thecarlounge.com/showt...VR6-Long-block

This Cayenne vvt looks like all the other 2.8 and 3.2 MK4 vvt setups.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3462005

So I keep finding more info as I type this. It looks like my 3.2 adjusters and vvt housing came from a MK5. Look at the under side of the housing in this pic from a MK5 R32 build http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_oULNjMnJnt...+stuff+047.jpg. Notice the little nubs of metal that point downward on the MK4 vvt housings are missing.

Check the model number on your 3.2 head against these numbers.
022103351F - MK5 3.2 head
022103351D - MK4 3.2 head

If your head is a mk4 one I think you're safe running 2.8 adjusters and vvt housing. I remember reading something about being able to run mk5 adjusters and vvt on a mk4 head, but I don't know about mixing MK4/5 adjusters and vvt. Either go full mk4 or mk5.

Check vvt housing, timing cover and seals against these numbers. If they don't match post the numbers you have. The numbers on the seals are on the outside of the cover and a VERY tiny, probably .5mm or less tiny.

Upper timing cover
066109122H - MK4 R32
066109122K - MK5 R32

Upper timing cover seals
066109091A - 2.8 & MK4 3.2
03H109091 - MK5 R32

VVT housing
066109210AA - MK4 R32
03H109210B - MK5 R32

The vvt housing in the pic of that mk5 R32 is identical to the one i got with my 3.2 head, i think your right my head mustve come off a mk5 R32, its the only thing that makes sense. I will pull some numbers of the housing and cover tho just to cross reference out of curiousity.

Since the actual head it self is the same mold as a mk4, i dought putting ALL my vvt components back on will be an issue at all, do you agree? since it will basically just make it a "mk4 R32" head correct?

[joeeveryman87]

This little thread basically sums up everything http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...-cylinder-head, basically my vvt housing IS off of a Mk5, using all 2.8 vvt stuff should NOT be an issue here considering the heads are identical