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    Thread: New Camry key to Toyota rebound as Hyundai strikes with Sonata

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      07-14-2011 01:37 PM #1
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      TOKYO (Bloomberg) -- Toyota Motor Corp., to make its earnings target this year, needs the new Camry to wrest back market share from Hyundai Motor Co.'s Sonata sedan.

      The Camry, the best-selling car in the U.S., has lost ground to the Sonata, with Hyundai raising its U.S. output and surpassing the Camry in May for the first time.

      "Sonata became a very honorable contender in the market," Yoshimi Inaba, Toyota's North American chairman, said in a July 12 interview. "We do have good respect for the model, and the sales figures show it's increasing quite a bit."

      U.S. sales of Camry last year dropped 31 percent to 327,804 compared with deliveries in 2007, Toyota's best-ever year, while Honda Motor Corp.'s Accord sales also dropped 28 percent to 282,530 in the period.

      Both models are approaching the end of their current product cycles.

      Sales of the Sonata, revamped in January 2010, surged 35 percent to 196,623 last year. The 2011 Sonata's overall design quality is rated "among the best" by J.D. Power & Associates and earned a "Top Safety Pick" award from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.

      'Paying attention'

      Until a few years ago, Toyota's Camry and Honda's Accord "defined" the midsize segment in the U.S. for at least a decade, said Jeremy Anwyl, CEO of auto researcher Edmunds.com in Santa Monica, Calif.

      "But Hyundai has really stepped up their game, and Toyota's been paying attention."

      The next version of the Camry will have a more contemporary design and improved performance and handling, President Akio Toyoda told U.S. dealers last month in Las Vegas.

      The new model will go on sale in the latter part of the year. Toyota's current Camry, last refreshed in March 2006, gets up to 32 miles per gallon in highway driving in the U.S., compared with the Sonata's 35 mpg and Honda's 34 mpg.

      With Hyundai's improvements in design and fuel efficiency, sales of the Sonata have jumped 29 percent to 115,014 units this year through June, while the Camry has dropped 4.4 percent to 147,469 in the U.S.

      Restricted output after the March 11 earthquake in Japan has also contributed to the decline in Camry sales.

      Camry vs Sonata

      Hyundai didn't have to slow production after the quake because its Japan-based suppliers' plants aren't located in the affected areas, according to the company.

      As a result, Sonata outsold Camry in May for the first time, according to Edmunds.com.

      While both the Sonata and Camry sold in the U.S. are built locally, the weak Korean currency relative to the dollar benefits Hyundai when it repatriates profits.

      The yen, on the other hand, has hurt Toyota by gaining about 10 percent over the past year. The Japanese currency this week climbed to as high as 78.50 yen per dollar, the strongest since March 17.

      The 2011 Camry is currently priced from $20,195, compared with the Sonata's $19,395 starting price tag.

      Camry -- which is the Anglicized spelling of "kanmuri," meaning "crown" in Japanese -- accounted for about a fifth of U.S. sales at Toyota last year.

      'Ambitious' rivals

      Defending its lead will be more difficult given stiffer competition from Hyundai, Ford Motor Co., and an "ambitious" Volkswagen AG, said Tadashi Usui, an analyst at Moody's K.K. in Tokyo.

      Sales of Ford's Fusion sedan have jumped 18 percent this year through June, outselling the Accord. Volkswagen, aiming to topple Toyota as the world's biggest carmaker by 2018, will start selling a Tennessee-built Passat sedan as early as September.

      "I'm not necessarily optimistic that the new Camry will help Toyota regain market share," Usui said. With a drop in demand for pick-up trucks, Toyota is more dependent now on its best-selling Camry, along with Lexus luxury models to boost earnings, he said.

      Moody's Investors Service lowered its debt rating on Toyota in June, putting it below Japan's sovereign grade for the first time, citing the automaker's weakened ability to restore previous profit levels.

      Toyota expects to earn 280 billion yen ($3.52 billion) in net income this fiscal year, compared with 1.7 trillion yen in the year ended March 2008.

      Market share

      Helped by the new Camry, Toyota's market share will rise to 15 percent in the six months ending in December, from 12.8 percent in the first half of the year, according to consulting company IHS Automotive, based in Englewood, Colo.

      Still, Toyota's share will stagnate at that level over the next three years because of strong competition, said IHS analyst Masatoshi Nishimoto in Tokyo. "Toyota will not recover its 16-17 percent market share from before the financial crisis," he said.

      Honda, which will likely introduce its updated Accord sedan next year, will also remain at about 11 percent market share through 2014, slightly up from 10.6 percent last year, according to IHS.

      Hyundai, including affiliate Kia Motors Corp., will rise to at least 8.5 percent in the period, from 7.7 percent in 2010.

      "We recognize that the Korean models are very competitive because of their good quality and affordable price," said Keitaro Yamamoto, a spokesman for Honda in Tokyo. "Before, it was Accord versus Camry, but it's definitely becoming Accord versus Camry versus Sonata."

      'Dependability'

      While analysts cite Hyundai's improvements in styling as a factor for its growth, design may not be as important as performance.

      "People buying a Camry aren't looking to make a statement," Anwyl said. "They're looking for dependability."

      The new Camry is Toyota's first major full-model change since last year's recalls of more than 10 million vehicles for flaws linked to unintended acceleration.

      Following the recalls, Toyoda formed a global quality committee to tackle defects. In the U.S., the carmaker hired additional engineers at its technical center in Ann Arbor, Mich., giving the facility a bigger role in developing models for the American market.

      "If there are any lingering concerns on Toyota's vehicle safety, this is a good opportunity to close that chapter," Anwyl said.



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      07-14-2011 02:18 PM #2
      Camry -- which is the Anglicized spelling of "kanmuri," meaning "crown" in Japanese ...
      I did not know that. So, they sell both Crowns and Camrys. A little redundant in names.
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      07-14-2011 02:23 PM #3
      if their new camry is a reskin of their old camry good luck

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      07-14-2011 02:37 PM #4
      Camry will be #1 again. but this time, by a very small margin. New Malibu is much bigger threat than sonata. GM can sell 25-30% to fleet and really go after the crown.

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      07-14-2011 02:46 PM #5
      I just spent 4000 miles in a 2011 Sonata and I have to say that it is a damn nice car. It was a rental, so nothing special and the base model at ~$21000 and I would buy one if I needed a 4 door sedan. Its a very nice place to be and with an average speed of 67 mph (speedo touched 90 mph cruise several times) over the 4000 miles, it still pulled 34 mpg average. Very very nice place to be. More than enough room for 6'4" me, good room in the back seat and a ton of room in the trunk. I understand that the styling is hit or miss but it grew on me. The best part is that it is not boring looking. the Camry and Accord put me to sleep. At the price, the Sonata crushes the CamCords.

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      07-14-2011 02:52 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by morecarsthanbrains View Post
      I just spent 4000 miles in a 2011 Sonata and I have to say that it is a damn nice car. It was a rental, so nothing special and the base model at ~$21000 and I would buy one if I needed a 4 door sedan. Its a very nice place to be and with an average speed of 67 mph (speedo touched 90 mph cruise several times) over the 4000 miles, it still pulled 34 mpg average. Very very nice place to be. More than enough room for 6'4" me, good room in the back seat and a ton of room in the trunk. I understand that the styling is hit or miss but it grew on me. The best part is that it is not boring looking. the Camry and Accord put me to sleep. At the price, the Sonata crushes the CamCords.
      I've put close to 11,000 on my Sonata Turbo and I simply love it. Fast, quiet, and good quality throughout. The interior quality and fit/finish is well ahead of my mother-in-law's '10 Camry LE.

      I sure as hell hope that Toyota doesn't something about the interior on the new Camry.
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      The only real difference between the Camry and the Sonata is the styling . Although it appears that the fairly good hyundai reliability may be suffering of late after all low prices mean they have to cut costs somewhere.

      I've been able to drive Hyundai twins the Sonata and the Optima, and while they are nice family sedans I don't really see them as being any better than the typical Camry or Accord at all. I also found the front seats in the Hyundai twins to be very uncomfortable as the seat backs pushed against my spine in an unnatural way.

      I think most of the Hyundai hype is just that hype perpetuated by a very effective marketing campaign which is fine but in the end I think the consumer will start to realize that Hyundai/Kia is just a copy of the better original Toyota.

      I think Toyota will regain its top spot in the minds of consumers in the near future.

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      07-14-2011 03:00 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Roketdriver View Post
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      I dont get this statement. Might not have ever spent any time in the Sonata? Its a sharp, comfortable car and its looks are anything but mundane. Your statement might work better if it were Accord vs. Camry.

      The styling is original, the interior is much better than the Camry as is the fit and finish. The Camry has stiff, fuzz covered cardboard interior whereas the Sonatas just feels better and softer. My only gripe is the transmission and its sometimes being unwilling to downshift. Just not quick enough.
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      07-14-2011 03:01 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Bones_Jones View Post
      Camry will be #1 again. but this time, by a very small margin. New Malibu is much bigger threat than sonata. GM can sell 25-30% to fleet and really go after the crown.
      I agree that the new Malibu and the new Fusion are the real competition that Toyota needs to be looking out for. Although it has many good attributes, the Sonata is to some degree selling on trendy style, and a style that IMO will start looking dated by the end of next year (Optima will look fresh for years to come).

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      Quote Originally Posted by Roketdriver View Post
      The Kenmore vs. Maytag battle continues.
      Both are made by the same company, Whirlpool

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      Quote Originally Posted by AutoUnion32 View Post
      Both are made by the same company, Whirlpool
      That's why I call the Sonata and Optima "The Hyundai Twins" .

      I'm not a big fan of the styling of either Hyundai product, although the Sonata looks like a roadside crack head hooker in a seedy part of town. The Optima is the fat less made up partner that attracts the family man.

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      Both are made by the same company, Whirlpool
      While true, a host of other companies also make variety of Kenmore products (i.e GE, LG, Panasonic). At the end of the day, Kenmore is owned by Sears so the analogy has some standings.

      On topic, the days of pure domination in the segment by the Accord and the Camry is likely over (a good run of a decade plus??), after a slew of excellent product releases from various mfrgs across the field that had started a few years ago. At the end of the day, everyone wins.

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      A new generation, plus a rebound of depressed production, will easily put the 2012 Camry back on top.
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      Strangely I'm looking forward to the new Camry and a potential (?) re-crowning.

      Generally speaking Camry and Sonata owners make rational decisions driven by practicality and numbers, as outlined in their consumer report subscriptions...
      Supplier delivery notwithstanding, a cheaper price tag for better gas mileage is a no brainer to this type of buyer.

      Neither car will ever be my cup of tea but I'll watch from the sidelines...

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      Quote Originally Posted by phinney View Post
      That's why I call the Sonata and Optima "The Hyundai Twins" .

      I'm not a big fan of the styling of either Hyundai product, although the Sonata looks like a roadside crack head hooker in a seedy part of town. The Optima is the fat less made up partner that attracts the family man.
      Analogies.

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      Among family sedans, the Optima is a supermodel. The Sonata is not everyone's cup-o-tea, but it's got style, which is more than I can say for the CamCord.
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      Seems there are a lot of complaints with the current Camry related to the 6 speed auto. It will be interesting to see if this is addressed with the new gen car.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jwaters943 View Post
      Analogies.

      You suck at them!

      Among family sedans, the Optima is a supermodel. The Sonata is not everyone's cup-o-tea, but it's got style, which is more than I can say for the CamCord.


      agreed. Optima can stand toe to toe with many entry level luxury cars.


      anyway, i think it's good that hyundai doesn't try to become #1 seller in america. their strategy is working. less fleet + low incentives = better resale value & perception.

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      agreed. Optima can stand toe to toe with many entry level luxury cars.

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      I mostly agree with you, however, I would taken a loaded one over an Acura TSX.
      I don't think it is hard to beat your version of Honda Accord Euro in looks and steering department.
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      07-14-2011 06:43 PM #24
      You know if I made crap cars for 30 years and I watched the other guys, hired their ex employees, use their methods then finally make some good cars with some good styling which are finally well received, I'd be humble. I wouldn't crap all over the other guys who led the way all these years.

      No offense but if it makes a Hyundai/Kia fan happy to crap on the Camry or others in this class, well they are all $199 a month family sedans. They are all bread and butter vehicles and all pretty damn closely matched.

      And sorry the new Sonata/Optima with the base wheels looks horrid, they severely need the 18" wheels to help with the looks, they are big cars.

      Really is odd, reminds me of when I see things like a Caravan and a Sedona race.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Cutandpaste View Post
      You know if I made crap cars for 30 years and I watched the other guys, hired their ex employees, use their methods then finally make some good cars with some good styling which are finally well received, I'd be humble. I wouldn't crap all over the other guys who led the way all these years.
      Well I hope you pay the same respect to the American automakers, Mr. Toyoda

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      Well I hope you pay the same respect to the American automakers, Mr. Toyoda
      Maybe the American automakers forgot when Toyota said outright 'WE DO NOT WANT THE AMERICAN AUTOMAKERS TO FAIL". They know its bad for business for everyone. They even raised prices to help the Americans at the time.

      Competition is good and we are in an era where damn near ever car sold is good and clearly is vastly improved. I have a 2010 Versa rental right now and I wanted to hate it but shoot, its FAR BETTER than any econo car 10-20 years ago. Its not even close.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Bones_Jones View Post
      Camry will be #1 again. but this time, by a very small margin. New Malibu is much bigger threat than sonata. GM can sell 25-30% to fleet and really go after the crown.
      Agreed.

      Even if the Sonata was that much better than its competitors (which it isn't; better in some respects, worse in others) - it wouldn't be able to get to the no.1 slot due to capacity issues.

      W/ the new Camry, I'd suspect that it will retake the no.1 spot, but not w/ the lead that it once had, and every once in a while, the new Malibu could take the monthly sales crown.

      It will pretty much be the same thing for the new Civic once the supply issue is ironed out.

      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      Well I hope you pay the same respect to the American automakers, Mr. Toyoda
      What someone's complaining about "lack of respect" again?

      Once Toyota goes back to making some fun cars (after a couple decades absence) and doesn't cost cut so much that the interiors look like crap (which it appears, Toyota has done w/ the new models), then we'll see auto enthusiasts giving respect to Toyota once again (maybe then, all the auto publications will stop making snide comments about Toyota's lineup).
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      Quote Originally Posted by Cutandpaste View Post
      You know if I made crap cars for 30 years and I watched the other guys, hired their ex employees, use their methods then finally make some good cars with some good styling which are finally well received, I'd be humble. I wouldn't crap all over the other guys who led the way all these years.

      .

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      07-14-2011 07:49 PM #30
      If the new Camry looks like the spy shots, Hyundai/GM won't stand a chance.

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      ^ Based on the spy shots, the new Camry is about as "new" as the new Civic.
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      ^ Based on the spy shots, the new Camry is about as "new" as the new Civic.
      Agreed.
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      Agreed.
      I be more interested to see how this new Camry drives and handles. Actually the current car while pretty mundane handles pretty well and has decent driver controls too, not outstanding but the best for the segment .

      If Toyota can improve on these while keeping the ride fairly comfortable they just may attract more buyers away from other brands.


      It sounds crazy but could this new Camry be a slightly better drivers car? Hopefully so. That alone would help the Camry take more buyers away from the mundane handling Sonata and Optima.

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      Quote Originally Posted by phinney View Post
      Bing!

      No there is no shame or humility today. Just brass crass arrogance among many people.
      It's like a bunch of people who sucked ass at high school, went to some 4th tier college and got a job as a manager at RC cola telling everyone how Coke/Pepsi sucks and RC is the **** b/c they got a new fancy looking bottle.

      Isn't it amazing that after 30 years they have an iota of styling and they want to bash everyone and everything for not going that road. Its really low class to somehow suddenly look down on people b/c they might prefer something with less style, mind you for 30 years they made the beigest and some of the ugliest or most copycat cars on the planet. The products speak for themselves, the numbers speak for themselves. We are all well aware of Hyundai/Kia's emergence. Sadly there is a growing group here holding hands to bash Toyota, the very brand it copied more than anyone.

      Sad really. I have a feeling the Camry is going to go down the route of the current A8 or last XJ, cars that were brilliant in regards to their interiors, features and engineering but they didn't stray far from the previous model in regards to styling.

      Got to ignore some of the wanksters. Going to the dealership and never buying nothing but commenting on ever damn car/brand/thread here.

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