I own a Buell. There are too many clueless questions asked by others
Most of them involve Who makes Buell? Or, thats not a gas tank? Oil is where?
2007 Jetta Wolfsburg Edition with some mods
1998 B5 Passat 1.8T with green dash lights and the small passenger mirror
Cool video, bro...
Maybe your friend is confusing leverage with cog? It is definitely easier to maneuver a machine with an upright riding position, and wide, high bars.
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The need for counter-steering becomes really obvious since pushing on the right bar is the only way to get through a right sweeper w/o heading for the centre line.
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F1_Fan quoted it and then said to demo this go to a parking lot and ride at city speed...
Regarding you turning the bars to move the bike in the garage, that is just like moving an object -- the countersteer thing comes in at speed/under power because of the gyroscopic forces or whatever that are going on.
When I got my first bike and didn't know how to ride (literally) and jumped on the highway, then I wanted to change lanes, started trying to "steer" to the other lane, inched the OPPOSITE direction, that was scary.
(Yes I did everything wrong with getting in to riding. I am still alive though. )
To be clear, "countersteering" applies to both to the input (the physical action--pushing/pulling on the bars) and the output (the resulting bike geometry--specifically the change in steering angle of the front end) and the two are really decoupled. The former lasts through the turn to some degree or another (or at least, through ~half the turn, give or take the situation). The later only occurs at the beginning of the direction change.
Again, to beat the horse, it is physically impossible to for a [moving] single track vehicle to change directions without that direction change being initiated by some measurable amount of opposite/counter steering angle. At speed, the most you'll see is a degree or so of counter angle, for no more than a second or so. At walking pace (in your garage), the magnitude and duration of the counter angle are so small that its easy to think it doesn't happen...but it does.
After the counter angle initiates the turn, other forces take over and the steering angle does indeed point "into" the turn. Look down in a tight right hander and sure as **** your bars will be turned a noticeable amount to the right (if both tires have full traction). When you provide input to come out of that right hander, the bars will momentarily turn more right, then back to zero when the bike is basically upright.
As for the physical action of countersteering, many people understand how it works at speed, because many people have played the push/pull game in a turn or on the freeway or wherever. The reason you hear things like "countersteering doesn't happen at low speeds" is because the other forces involved play a bigger part at lower speeds, so the need to actually push or pull on the bars to create the counter steer becomes negligible or even non existent.
But that's a whole 'nuther topic.
Last edited by bxr140; 08-03-2011 at 08:42 PM.