VWoA is still pushing their own MPG agenda.
The 2012 Passat TDI gets an EPA 40 HWY, but VW keeps saying "43".
While most major automakers approve; some had even wanted higher standards.
http://media.vw.com/press_releases/s...cafe-standardsStatement by Tony Cervone, Executive Vice President, Communications, Volkswagen Group of America Regarding Proposed CAFE Standards
The Volkswagen Group is a global leader in fuel efficiency and associated technologies, and we are committed to the ongoing negotiations with the White House on reaching maximum achievable fuel economy/GHG reduction standards.
Volkswagen does not endorse the proposal under discussion. It places an unfairly high burden on passenger cars, while allowing special compliance flexibility for heavier light trucks. Passenger cars would be required to achieve 5% annual improvements, and light trucks 3.5% annual improvements. The largest trucks carry almost no burden for the 2017-2020 timeframe, and are granted numerous ways to mathematically meet targets in the outlying years without significant real-world gains.
The proposal encourages manufacturers and customers to shift toward larger, less efficient vehicles, defeating the goal of reduced greenhouse gas emissions.
Volkswagen Group clean diesel products are among the most fuel efficient vehicles on the road today. Our new mid-size Passat TDI, built here in the US in Chattanooga, TN, achieves 43 mpg highway and can travel almost 800 miles on a single tank of fuel. If one-third of the vehicles on the road today were clean diesel, the US would save 1.4 million barrels of oil a day. Yet there is no consideration in the current proposal for the positive impact clean diesels can have on fuel consumption here in the US.
We look forward to continuing our discussions with the White House to achieve the "one nation standard" that is fair and equitable.
If the Big 3 had to meet those standards on their trucks then Volkswagen would bring in their truck because now it would have a leveled playing field since the others would have to increase the prices and offer up clean diesels as a way of complying. Makes sense to me and I'm rooting for VWoA on this one.
I'm all for more efficient vehicles and especially in the large truck segment.
Apparently not many people saw the Amarok in real life. I saw a few at a Puerto Plata VW dealer. They looked cheap and the price was like 40K$.
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vwoa doesnt approve...because they're right
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VW is one of the best automakers posed to meet the future goals with so many TDI and small car sales, so I doubt that's why they object.
It would appear to be out of principle - espeically considering the mass of light truck sales in the US.
I can't really disagree. Fair is fair.
I'm not talking 50mpg trucks, I'm talking about the way economy cars have almost doubled their highway economy in the past decade. When I first started driving, a car that got 25mpg HWY was good mileage...
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And VW is whining because they're nowhere near meeting the new standards. They may have diesels to help them meet the standards, but they can't figure out how to get those kinds of EPA numbers out of their gas models like, well, every other major automaker selling in the US, and they need to do so in order to be compliant. They're hoping that those other automakers will be forced to to rely more on diesels to meet the standards, but the reality is that competitors like GM, Toyota and Hyundai have plenty of other tricks up their sleeves than just that to meet the standards, and VW has yet to do it.
Originally Posted by alleghenyman
If VW put a hybrid powertrain in the Jetta/Passat, I'm sure you would see the same, if not better, results.
GLW your parents car search.
You're right about routinely being an incorrect word, but depending on the driver and the road he used... 50mpg is possible to average.
I really don't care who likes what car better, but regardless of whether you think a diesel Jetta is a MAN's car (which is ridiculous, in my opinion) or not is no reason to make stuff up, like saying it "routinely" gets 50 MPG on the highway or gets better efficiency than the Prius.
CAFE =/= EPA MPG
Just wanted to get that out there...
Whether or not Honda has the balls to continue with the project is an entirely different story.
Make it three yards mother****er and we'll have an automobile race
The govt could use another strategy and hike the gas tax. Consumers would push for more fuel efficiency and the manufacturers who meet the challenge would be rewarded with more sales.
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VW does have a point. Not giving light trucks the same requirements does two things:
1) Shifts the burden to non-business customers.
2) Shifts the burden to mostly import manufacturers.
Besides, light trucks should have even HIGHER requirements as they are both used a lot in business and industry and have much lower requirements than passenger cars.
Historically, light trucks have always had smaller increases in standards than passenger cars; perhaps VWoA may have felt optimistic the trend would somehow reverse?? Also, CAFE for passenger cars have not changed at all from the 1990MY to 2010MY, at 27.5MPG.
Bottom line, get more fuel efficient or pay fines. Simple as that. VW isn't the only automaker heavy on passenger car line or sales.
You cannot raise the gas tax because that will directly hit the consumer and that spells death for reelection chances. You can however force the manufacturer to up the overall numbers through legislation and still get reelected. People remember things like TARP and will not stand by and listen to whining from an industry that was saved by tax payer money. Not a political statement but one based off of observation. People still avoid certain banks. Besides, you do not want to put it on the consumer to drive change when it comes to cars. The consumer whines about gas prices but still drives their SUV or they sell their SUV and buy a sipper when the prices go up but run back to them when the prices dip. It needs to be a top down approach and not a bottom up. We all want better mpg in all the offerings but no one is willing to forcefully demand it.
You think you hate it now. Wait til you drive it.
For 2011, the projected passenger car CAFE is 30.2 and 24.2 for light trucks. Based on the latest stat, it looks like the following manufacturers may be looking at fines (larger list than previous years mainly due to the first year of spike in passenger cars CAFE since 1990):
BMW (passenger cars only)
Chrysler (passenger cars only)
Daimler (both passenger cars and light trucks)
Ferrari (passenger cars only)
GM (light trucks only)
Jaguar Land Rover (both passenger cars and light trucks)
Lotus (passenger cars only)
Maserati (passenger cars only)
Porsche (both passenger cars and light trucks)
Spyker (passenger cars only)
Volvo (both passenger cars and light trucks)
VPG (passenger cars only)
And Tesla has a CAFE of 346.8