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    Thread: BFI - Clean Catch Crankcase Oil Separator - for 2.0T FSI!

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      02-16-2012 09:54 PM #32
      Any thoughts on an air/oil separator, that returns the oil back to the pan? So eliminating the need to dump it. A benefit in a cold weather climate(NoDak). I believe I seen one from BSH but that was for TSI motor not FSI.

      http://store.crawfordperformance.com/store/products/522

      This is obviously not for our cars, but is the idea I would MUCH rather have than one that needs constant attention(monitoring for how full it is) or constant dumping like in a winter condition so it doesn't turn into a block of ice over night.

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      02-17-2012 11:44 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by Kelion View Post
      Any thoughts on an air/oil separator, that returns the oil back to the pan? ...
      The problem with running the catch can back to your oil pan in a street driven vehicle is the amount of moisture that would be going back into your engine.
      On a racecar, that's driven wide open, this is not an issue. In addition, oil is changed more frequently on race cars.
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      02-17-2012 01:02 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by pete@blackforest View Post
      The problem with running the catch can back to your oil pan in a street driven vehicle is the amount of moisture that would be going back into your engine.
      Now correct me if I'm wrong or inform me, I'm just trying to understand so I can make a purchase. But moisture is everywhere, if there is air there is some amount of moisture in it. Moisture isn't the reason I would be getting a can/separator, oil in the intake charge is the reason we should have these. The moisture will eventually evaporate somewhere along the lines, but oil on my intake valves doesn't get cleaned off due to the 2.0T and it's direct injection. And having moisture collected in a can would be good, except in Jan here where our winters sometimes get to 40 below, before the wind chill factor. That would(and correct me if I'm wrong) make the can useless if I didn't empty it continually.



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      02-20-2012 02:20 PM #35
      A catch can that empties to your oil pan is not ideal for a street driven vehicles.
      The can not only catches oil vapors, but as a consequence of the design water vapor will accumulate in the catch can as well.
      If this water was recirculated back into your oil pan, it would pollute the oil and reduce its ability to properly lubricate your engine.
      Routine emptying of our Clean Catch products is required in order for the product to work correctly and successfully reduce oil vapor blow-by from making its way back into your intake tract.
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      02-22-2012 03:29 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by pete@blackforest View Post
      A catch can that empties to your oil pan is not ideal for a street driven vehicles.
      The can not only catches oil vapors, but as a consequence of the design water vapor will accumulate in the catch can as well.
      If this water was recirculated back into your oil pan, it would pollute the oil and reduce its ability to properly lubricate your engine.
      Routine emptying of our Clean Catch products is required in order for the product to work correctly...
      Is the Air/Oil Separator suitable for a stock/daily driver?- Yes... You can pull the intercooler off your new car with only 500 miles on it and find oil inside of it. The purpose of the AOS is to remove this oil from the intake system to lessen the possibility of detonation which is the main cause of broken ring lands on the stock pistons. As you increase your HP, the amount of blow by passing through your breather system increases as well. This scenario also increases the need for our AOS.

      A catch can needs to be emptied of its hazardous waste on a regular basis. Our AOS needs ZERO maintenance. A catch can emits the unpleasant smell of the crankcase fumes. Our AOS doesn't smell and is emissions friendly. Most catch can systems end up leaking or spewing oil in/on your engine bay while our AOS keeps everything clean and tidy.

      Also with oil not being removed from the pan, there is no worry of running low on oil whatsoever...also I don't personally know about the smell issue and maybe its more directed at VTA cans, but it's a good point nonetheless.

      An regarding the moisture theory there is this:

      3. What causes the yellow gunk? This is a mixture of oil and water. Usually when the water in the engine heats up it vaporizes and makes its way out the breather system. If it stays in vapor form it will make its way out the top of the AOS and into the intake. We have found from our cold weather customers that condensation is occurring inside our AOS as it is colder than the engine. This condensation is mixing with the oil in the AOS causing the yellow gunk. To fix this issue we have made a cold weather version that incorporates a heater inside the AOS to keep the AOS at the same temperature as the engine. With them being the same temperature, condensation will not occur leaving the water vapor to flow out the top of the AOS and into the intake system.

      Now these replies are from a STi forum, but the physics and functionality are the same

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      03-12-2012 02:44 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Kelion View Post
      Is the Air/Oil Separator suitable for a stock/daily driver?- Yes... You can pull the intercooler off your new car with only 500 miles on it and find oil inside of it. The purpose of the AOS is to remove this oil from the intake system to lessen the possibility of detonation which is the main cause of broken ring lands on the stock pistons. As you increase your HP, the amount of blow by passing through your breather system increases as well. This scenario also increases the need for our AOS.

      A catch can needs to be emptied of its hazardous waste on a regular basis. Our AOS needs ZERO maintenance. A catch can emits the unpleasant smell of the crankcase fumes. Our AOS doesn't smell and is emissions friendly. Most catch can systems end up leaking or spewing oil in/on your engine bay while our AOS keeps everything clean and tidy.

      Also with oil not being removed from the pan, there is no worry of running low on oil whatsoever...also I don't personally know about the smell issue and maybe its more directed at VTA cans, but it's a good point nonetheless.

      An regarding the moisture theory there is this:

      3. What causes the yellow gunk? This is a mixture of oil and water. Usually when the water in the engine heats up it vaporizes and makes its way out the breather system. If it stays in vapor form it will make its way out the top of the AOS and into the intake. We have found from our cold weather customers that condensation is occurring inside our AOS as it is colder than the engine. This condensation is mixing with the oil in the AOS causing the yellow gunk. To fix this issue we have made a cold weather version that incorporates a heater inside the AOS to keep the AOS at the same temperature as the engine. With them being the same temperature, condensation will not occur leaving the water vapor to flow out the top of the AOS and into the intake system.

      Now these replies are from a STi forum, but the physics and functionality are the same

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      03-14-2012 05:10 PM #39
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    14. 03-15-2012 10:18 PM #40
      excuse my ignorance but this is the same as a traditional catch can yes?

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      05-24-2012 08:10 PM #44
      I would love to buy this Clean Catch Can since IMO it's the best looking on all the market!... The bad thing is that my car came with a Charcoal Canister! Do you have any application or solution for this?

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    20. 05-29-2012 10:57 AM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by BETOGLI View Post
      I would love to buy this Clean Catch Can since IMO it's the best looking on all the market!... The bad thing is that my car came with a Charcoal Canister! Do you have any application or solution for this?
      We are working on it, but its going to be some time before we expect it to be available. While this is for the rest of world cars everything outside the U.S. has a canister.

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      Quote Originally Posted by black forest ind View Post
      We are working on it, but its going to be some time before we expect it to be available. While this is for the rest of world cars everything outside the U.S. has a canister.
      Thanks for letting me know this! And for sure I'll buy two of them once they're realized!

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    23. 06-04-2012 10:09 AM #49
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      For the "average" customer what do you expect drain intervals to be?
      Unfortunately it varies a lot depending on the driver and their surrounding climate. At the very least you should check it at every oil change if not sooner. If the dipstick reads full, dump it.

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      06-30-2012 11:05 AM #50
      Call me a noob, but I have a question.

      On the stock pcv it dumps the crank case pressure into the intake manifold, correct? With the catch can setup the intake manifold is capped off. After the oil is seperated the pressure looks to go back into the valve cover. Where does it go after that? Why cap the intake manifold? My main question is, where does the crankcase pressure go after the oil is seperated?

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