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    Thread: BFI - Clean Catch Crankcase Oil Separator - for 2.0T TSI!

    1. 08-04-2011 05:25 PM #1



      Black Forest Industries is proud to announce the release of our newest product line:

      The Clean Catch Crankcase Oil Separator, the most advanced, most functional and best looking option to remove excess oil vapor from your PCV/Intake tract.

      One of the biggest concerns of the direct injection engine design - is what to do with crankcase vapor. As with all emissions compliant vehicles, the PCV gasses must be recirculated back into the intake tract. The problem with direct injection is that those latent oil vapor laden gasses then help with the process of carbon deposition on the intake valves. For many who have experienced this, you will be familiar with valves that look like this:


      Click the picture for pricing and info!

      Each TSI Clean Catch catch can utilizes our new VAGPORT PCV connection system and comes with pre-crimped #10 hoses, as well as all fittings brackets and hardware for installation in minutes! Each Clean Catch TSI catch can is designed to fit under the factory air cover and utilizes the same type of quick release connector used by Audi Sport and Team Joest on the Audi Le Mans prototype cars. *At this time we do not have a version that is compatible with the stock "noise" pipe*


    2. 08-04-2011 06:18 PM #2
      Any chance of getting some pictures to go along with the instructions. Specifically the part where we need the exacto knife.

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      08-04-2011 07:18 PM #3
      How's about pictures of a TSI engine and the catch can to match it.

    4. 08-05-2011 11:08 AM #4
      Ok as for specific pictures of where you need to trim for the clamp - these are pics of a pcv assembly off the car just for reference:








      As for pictures of the completed kit on a TSI - our test car (tiguan) had some pre-production pieces on it, so I haven't gotten final pics yet - but we should have that sorted out on Monday - I will update the thread with the installed pics.

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      08-05-2011 11:58 AM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by black forest ind View Post
      Each TSI Clean Catch catch can utilizes our new VAGPORT PCV connection system and comes with pre-crimped #10 hoses, as well as all fittings brackets and hardware for installation in minutes! Each Clean Catch TSI catch can is designed to fit under the factory air cover and utilizes the same type of quick release connector used by Audi Sport and Team Joest on the Audi Le Mans prototype cars. *At this time we do not have a version that is compatible with the stock "noise" pipe*


      Couple of questions for you.
      Would you guys be willing to sell the PCV connectors by themselves? Id like to eliminate the stock tube that comes out from the PCV itself, that way I dont have to run an adapter to go to my braided lines.

      Also what type of braided lines are you using? Some sort of braided nylon lines? Im just curious to see what you guys ended up using as Im sure you did your research for this kit.

      Are you guys willing to sell custom lengths of this hose as well?
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      08-05-2011 12:42 PM #6
      The catch can looks good! Fit and finish look better than some of the current options, can't wait to see the installed shots. How does this CC work for guys that have existing boost taps? I'm using a 42DD's right now.

    7. 08-05-2011 05:56 PM #7
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      I'm not quite sure I'm following you about removing the stock tube.. Our system does what you are talking about - It's probably not clear from the pictures but the connectors adapt from the stock pcv outlet to a #10 AN fitting.

      The lines are a Parker braided nylon hose - a preferable setup for an engine bay, basically the same as any braided AN line, but actually more durable and vibration resistant - they are slightly pricier than braided AN hose, but better quality.

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      We use the 42 dd boost tap/blockoff, we just anodize it black. So you can keep yours or switch to a new one with the kit.


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      08-08-2011 05:06 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by black forest ind View Post
      Virtual

      I'm not quite sure I'm following you about removing the stock tube.. Our system does what you are talking about - It's probably not clear from the pictures but the connectors adapt from the stock pcv outlet to a #10 AN fitting.

      The lines are a Parker braided nylon hose - a preferable setup for an engine bay, basically the same as any braided AN line, but actually more durable and vibration resistant - they are slightly pricier than braided AN hose, but better quality.
      Sorry, I am bad with terminology sometimes.
      The part I am referring to is the PCV hose in the right side of this picture:

      Quote Originally Posted by joe@blackforest View Post

      Also, what is the adapter you are using to fit inside of the PCV? Its obviously a -10 fitting/ ?

      Thanks for the response
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    9. 08-08-2011 10:18 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by joe@blackforest View Post
      Should be arriving tomorrow, so just want to be doubly sure, but I am supposed to just shave the part you marked red right? Nothing after that?

    10. 08-09-2011 03:34 PM #11
      Just got done installing the catch can, and taking a quick drive.

      Was a lot easier than it seemed. Hardest part was taking off the stage 3 MAF housing, and getting the silver clips on.

      The front pcv clip is super snug. Doesn't rotate at all. The back one went on a lot easier. It spins, but doesn't move forward/backward at all.

      This sound alright?

      What do you guys suggest for emptying the can? Taking the top off and poring it out, or taking the bottom plug out and dump it in a can or something?

      Quality is excellent. Makes all the other catch cans look like garbage.

      Don't really care if it helps with the valves or not. If it can help keep my tubing clear of oil, and help with combustion like BSH suggested that is more than enough for me (in fact if the combustion thing is true I would rather have that than the cleaner valves).

      Here is a crappy pic I snapped.



      Good job BFI. Really happy with it++
      Last edited by HalvieCuw; 08-09-2011 at 06:46 PM.

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      08-09-2011 10:06 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by HalvieCuw View Post

      Here is a crappy pic I snapped.


      Catch can looks nice but, that is one seriously overfilled coolant reservoir tank. Might want to take a turkey baster and pull a little bit out.

    12. 08-09-2011 11:01 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by 90crvtec View Post
      Catch can looks nice but, that is one seriously overfilled coolant reservoir tank. Might want to take a turkey baster and pull a little bit out.
      Yeah noticed that the other day. Wonder why my shop added so much...Took some out already. Thanks for the headsup.

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      08-10-2011 12:45 AM #14
      Was also curious with the engine bay picture, what kind of oil filter is that? I don't think I've seen a white filter for the TSI?

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      08-10-2011 02:07 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by 90crvtec View Post
      Was also curious with the engine bay picture, what kind of oil filter is that? I don't think I've seen a white filter for the TSI?
      Looks like an aftermarket Purolator L35895.
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      08-10-2011 03:35 PM #16
      500 bucks for a can, a few hoses, and cutting your stock equipment, not to mention there is still no evidence these solve the carbon issues. Wow.

    16. 08-10-2011 04:20 PM #17
      Ok, Its been a while, but we had some delays with our local install (typical )

      Halvie already beat me to it, but here are some more installed pictures of the can with and without the engine cover:




      I am working on updating the install instructions with some pictures to help make things more clear for those installing cans.

      Virtual:

      Here are the fittings:




      We can sell the pieces of the kit separately just shoot me an email to sales@blackforestindustries.com.

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      08-10-2011 11:43 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by joe@blackforest View Post

      Virtual:

      Here are the fittings:




      We can sell the pieces of the kit separately just shoot me an email to sales@blackforestindustries.com.
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      08-12-2011 11:27 PM #21
      I'm thoroughly confused.
      If there are only 2 lines to this kit, then there should be a breather filter on the can. Hence a VTA can.
      If there's no breather filter, then there should be a third line that vents the crankcase pressure back to the intake...
      Seems like NO crankcase pressure is actually being relieved here.

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      08-13-2011 09:29 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by dsm1983 View Post
      I'm thoroughly confused.
      If there are only 2 lines to this kit, then there should be a breather filter on the can. Hence a VTA can.
      If there's no breather filter, then there should be a third line that vents the crankcase pressure back to the intake...
      Seems like NO crankcase pressure is actually being relieved here.
      Take another look at the pictures that Halvie posted. The rear catch can line actually goes back to the intake charge pipe. You can also see a small rubber cap on the back of the rear PCV valve. This setup WILL relieve crank case pressure.

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      08-13-2011 07:38 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by 90crvtec View Post
      Take another look at the pictures that Halvie posted. The rear catch can line actually goes back to the intake charge pipe. You can also see a small rubber cap on the back of the rear PCV valve. This setup WILL relieve crank case pressure.
      ahhh, yes! i see that now. thank you!
      but that leads to another concern about the rear pcv line. why is it just plugged? there's got to be a legitimate reason VW designed it that way.
      BFI, can you comment on this decision in regards to the kit's design? thanks in advance.

    23. 08-15-2011 10:50 PM #24
      Sorry about the lack of posts about this from me - I have been on vacation and away from a computer the last week or so..

      Yes, we realize that the can is on the top end of the price scale - it is expensive. But it is also precision machined, hand assembled and comprised of the finest quality compnonents. The connectors comprise almost 1/3 of the total cost of the can, plus the lines themselves are generally sold by the inch and take quite some time to cut, assemble and crimp. It is, for all intents and purposes, race material ready for the track.

      As far as the PCV having two exits - it is only necessary for the engine to have 1 pcv routing system, so as for VWs intentions I can only speculate, but I believe it is an issue with velocity and vaccum pressure at idle, the only time the system uses the front side of the pcv valve structure (into the intake manifold). Under boost it is closed and uses the rear pcv exit (the routing that we essentially retain). With the extended length of the can and its associated lines, the velocity remains constant at idle despite passing throught the turbo.

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