All this talk about air conditioning makes me laugh. If it's warm enough for A/C I'm taking the top and doors off. Most useless option ever on a Jeep.
Absolutely 150% disagree with that statement.
Very easy to make that claim living in Canada where your hot isn't quite the same as everywhere else. I won't make comments about what you do in the cold, you don't make comments about what I do in the hot ok?
First off 100 degrees down here sitting in traffic the LAST thing you want is the top down. My phone actually overheated and shut down sitting on the passenger seat while stuck in traffic back in May.. not july not august.. MAY! I was driving around at the time with a wool hat on to keep my hair from catching on fire. I haven't put the top down in about 2 months because it is just flat out way too hot, maybe late september i'll put it down again.
All windows out and door tops taking a 30 minute drive without even hitting traffic I show up some place and have to change since I am soaked through shirt, shorts and all.
Just went on vacation and I had planned to take the jeep but the GF nixed it due to the lack of AC. at first I Was pissed but then i was extremely glad we didn't as it was in the middle of that heatwave. We were camping the way back from waterfest and we'd have just packed up and headed home without the AC in the rental car.
I'll be figuring out how to fit the AC in with the cummins in the next few weeks.
Funny she'd drool if she saw your profile since right now she is selling it (to me) to buy an outback.
Luckily I convinced her last night that I should get my JSW first so she can drive that while I sell my mk4 to pay for the TJ giving her money to put down on the outback.
When I went looking for a vehicle for my son, safety was the only priority over price. For $21G he got a base JK with 4 wheel drive, no air, no power windows. He got good solid transportation with Stability control, roadside assistance, warranty. Not a bad deal in my books, especially since we have winter for what feels like 9 months of the year, and we live 40 kms away from the city.
1.Women hate sweating. Going somewhere with your GF, wife, mother, sister, etc, on a 90% humidity/90 degree day, and they will refuse to ride along with you without AC.
2.Going somewhere where you don't want to smell like a sweaty pig. Going out on a date, job interview, going to work, going out with friends, etc...
3.Hot and humid as balls+torrential downpour=top up/doors on/AC on
If I am just driving by myself, and not going anywhere where I am concerned about offending anyone with my sweaty smell, I rarely use the AC in most other situations.
The comparison between Camrys and Jeeps was meant to gauge priorties. A lot of people have no problem putting down 30-large for a plebian sedan or minivan, but you are aghast at the thought of Jeep costing as much or more. It's all about preference and priorities. You'd rather have a $32K Kia, and I prefered to spend my $32K on a Wrangler. Different strokes...
If you bought a soft top unlimited for 25.5K it would cost you at least 10K to duplicate what came in a 35K rubicon. The hard top alone I think is close to 2500 bucks after the fact. Dana 44s with lockers will cost you a few grand, similar tires are a few hundred a piece. At least full doors are standard on the JKs, but i think the set of half doors are a few grand unpainted.
You won't find anyone driving around with the top down on a convertible or jeep right now because it is just way too hot. Warm enough for AC and too hot to be exposed in traffic are two entirely different things.
Who said anything about formal occasions. I went to meet a friend on saturday to check out his YJ diff. There were dowpours on the way but it was also 90+, top couldn't be down no ac, windows /doors out so I could breath with the humidity and i was soaked with both rain and sweat. Jeep was the appropriate vehicle for the event. IF had AC it would have been cranking and I would have been dry.
I plan to wear tuxedo shorts and probably ride a bike to my wedding actually, I'm man enough to call the shots and do what I want
not every jeep moment works with the top down and not every region is top down a substitue for no AC.
For the record ATL also gets more rain then most of the northwest which everyone thinks is rainy. AC is also really helpful in clearing up fogged windows when its pouring and hot as hell so your inteior is like a sauna.
Furthermore I was asking a legitimate question. I was not trying to make any point or exaggerate anything. Instead of asking for clarification you assumed that I was trying to play with the numbers to make some stupid point.
I wanted to know, for my own info, if I would be better off spending the premium for a Rubicon or could go with a lesser model and do the necessary upgrades myself for less. Was Jeep actually pricing the Rubicon out as a good deal, or charging a premium because the Rubicon is RTF?
You have finally answered my question- but the amount of bull**** I had to go through to get it is just staggering...all because I typed 23 instead of 25...
GA has been doing obdII emissions for a long long time now, there are no plans I am aware of to include diesels. I'm fully up on the emissions stuff and actually knew about the new tests where they clear codes and recheck readiness before people who actually do those tests did.
My title is a diesel and exempt. GA is not very retro active with things and if they add diesel emissions inspections it will most likely only be new vehicles going forward. We contacted the state numerous times before starting the swap and everyone we spoke to (have it in writing) said we were cool to go ahead. Walked into the tax commissioners office showed documentation for the swap and the title was changed. Federally yeah well that is another question
As for the swap, yes its about 300lbs heavier then a 4.0, I needed 2" spacers to level it out. It runs like snot and would never go back to a gasser in a jeep.
On the trail? it wasn't that tough of a trail but the last time I had it out I was 2wd only since I still have the 4.10s in the front (3.09s in the rear) so no 4wd for me. I was making it up and over things easier then any of the 4wd gassers in the group. Back up a little and just charge front end would just pop up and over anything in my way. Only things I went around was the deep mud.
4bt in a 1500 or larger is a waste of your time and money, the engine is underpowered for a vehicle that size and a 3/4 ton you could just buy with a real sized cummins.
For the record I am all for emissions I've got cats on my 350hp 1.8t and 600hp 2.0t...