HPA MK4 20th turbo kit OMG…what an animal

[willlangford]

Yes, but if someone with a bone stock car were to order this kit. To achieve the same numbers..

Conrod Bearings $595 + Install - Call it $1000
Exhaust + Highflow Cats - $2000 + Install (I think that's what you quoted me for my MK5.. I am am sure the MK4 isn't any cheaper)

So now it's a $12,595 dollar kit, plus install.

Just trying to point out the costs that these kits are not cheap no matter how you slice them, and no matter who makes them.

[VWPOPS]

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[mfbmike]

Yes, but if someone with a bone stock car were to order this kit. To achieve the same numbers..

Conrod Bearings $595 + Install - Call it $1000
Exhaust + Highflow Cats - $2000 + Install (I think that's what you quoted me for my MK5.. I am am sure the MK4 isn't any cheaper)

So now it's a $12,595 dollar kit, plus install.

Just trying to point out the costs that these kits are not cheap no matter how you slice them, and no matter who makes them.

[willlangford]

The turbo kit includes the manifold as pictured and is using a Garrett cartridge now as Borg Warner EFR turbos have not yet seen line production.

I'm assuming you are using the internal wastegate that comes with the normal Garret GT35. What are you doing for a diverter valve as the EFR and HGP compressor housings have those built in?

[HPA motorsports 1]

Thank you Im sure many people would be interested to see this, visually, and be able to understand what it does and how it benefits a particular setup, rather than just hear the numbers.

Agreed..we did this for the switch we sell on the MK5 and the Super Flow charts said it all!

We will make the same for the Gen 1 now and update our web! Thx for the idea!

Kit looks nice. Like it.

If you sell the intake and water tank setup, I will pick one up in the next year probably for a turbo or SC build.

SC/turbo..love to see the manifold used on such a project!

Just trying to point out the costs that these kits are not cheap no matter how you slice them, and no matter who makes them.

Roger that!..this is exactly why we are trying to maximize our customers initial investment with purpose built hardware.

For the MK4 crowd, not having to relocate the battery to the rear now and the simplicity for MK4/5 of the integrated intercooler will mean a lot of $ pulled away from the install costs..Actually, the home done installations are looking very attractive now!

[Slapbladder]

Why do you need those bearings? Just buy some 3.2/3.6 VR6 FSI Rod bearings....they are a black teflon coating as standard....and fit the VR6/R32 rods perfectly.
I pulled my 40k mile ones out and you can't even tell they have been used. This was also after running the 3.6 at 7psi and 450hp....

[CEL is On]

I like it. I want it.

Love the R graph over top of the s/c R8

[HPA motorsports 1]

Is this coming with the R30 or R35 turbo?

FT495 and BJ, come with the bigger turbo, but FT465 and under come with the smaller turbo, correct?

Yes, historically the 465 was the upper limit with the GT30 cartridge.

Today, we are GT35 based for all 20th kits.. Not an R35 though, this is a new hybrid with a conical waste gate exit.

I like it. I want it.

Love the R graph over top of the s/c R8

We love it too..not sure if the R8 owner would be so happy though

[VWPOPS]

How about an official FT465 over 20th graph?

Marcel, it's nice to see you excited.

Pro/Con over previous A/W setup. Obviously, the 20th has a shorter boost track. But what about actual charge cooling results?

Obviously, I'm just trying to see the difference between my existing setup and the new and improved kit.

What components would be upgradable from a FT465 kit? Would the new turbo fit the existing manifold etc.?

[Basil Fawlty]

In for Group Buy.

[mfbmike]

In for Group Buy.

Buy me one too Chase.

[ALL.FOUR.32]

Marcel, I have a gen 1 turbo in my R ft360 is what it started as.. turbo is still a gt30..would i need to upgrade to a larger turbo to see good gains???? this is looking very solid...

[Draxus]

Marcel, I have a gen 1 turbo in my R ft360 is what it started as.. turbo is still a gt30..would i need to upgrade to a larger turbo to see good gains???? this is looking very solid...

Your throttle response would be better no matter what.

[ALL.FOUR.32]

see,this was my idea,i love the short boost track of the ft360..it was the heat that is the prob.. so i see that using the flex fuel aka e85 lowers temps egts as well as over all temps..now i see this..

[pocketrocket:R]

sweet setup! any videos?!


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[rconn14]

In for Group Buy.

I'd consider the same if the deal was swell enough.

[Steve99]

A friend of mine saw the RS R32 yesterday evening, I believe the owner of the car was going for a rip around Surrey. He said the car had a great exhaust note and that the turbo appeared to spool up very nicely - he also seemed very pleased with the car from a brief conversation they had at a set of lights.

Just let me know when the kit and install is onsale for half price for locals and I'll be there in 10 minutes or less!

[gmoneyR32]

Shoot, I'll take the kit for half price (repeat HPA FI buyer) and do my own install, again!!!

Not kidding, payment ready!!!

X2!

[carma]

[HPA motorsports 1]

How about an official FT465 over 20th graph?

Marcel, it's nice to see you excited.

Pro/Con over previous A/W setup. Obviously, the 20th has a shorter boost track. But what about actual charge cooling results?

Obviously, I'm just trying to see the difference between my existing setup and the new and improved kit.

What components would be upgradable from a FT465 kit? Would the new turbo fit the existing manifold etc.?

FT425/FT495 vs 20th



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FT465/FT495 vs 20th





Out of the box, the 20th seems to realize FT465+ output with ease. We will now upgrade to 88mm exhaust from the 2.5APR can it currently has installed and see if we can hold the FT495 19lbs of boost on 91 and dyno the output. The car is currently in Portland ripping around for a few weeks, so look for this update mid September. We are satisfied for now as the headroom is qualified and the current software trim is producing above expectations.

sweet setup! any videos?!


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Here is a short one from the dyno..

Marcel, I have a gen 1 turbo in my R ft360 is what it started as.. turbo is still a gt30..would i need to upgrade to a larger turbo to see good gains???? this is looking very solid...

This intake alone will allow any FT360 owner to realize FT450 performance with the add on of the larger MAF and inline fuel pump. It should be a very straight fo4rward upgrade. The FT360 had the best throttle response, you retain that but with the full intercooler benefit!


Here are a few cool shots that show off the new downpipe/exhaust manifold that were designed for this package. The cylinder separation inside the manifolds is key for both MK4 and MK5 DSG. It allows us to trim the fuel specific to the cylinder groupings.

The VR6 is simply a one off engine design within the automotive industry. When you try to create a solid single turbo solution, you encounter the challenges associated with it.

With one bank having 2 front cylinders and 1 rear, and the other O2 bank controlling 2 rear and one front, there needs to be a living offset in fuel to ensure that the exhaust valves stay cool.

To fight the degraded fuel mixtures around North America, we offset the turbo to accommodate a radius within our downpipe. This further reduced back pressure allowing us to runner slightly higher boost than on our previous generation packages.

[JIMBO ROBERTS]

The new exhaust manifold internal channeling looks pretty good.
This is one well designed system from what I can see.
Are you planning on offering the Borg Warner turbo with this system or are you giving up on it and just going with the Garrett?

Jimbo

[BOUDAH]

I dont have 12 G's but i will tell u i would like the manifold. Skela and others have always said that these kits have been all about maintaining a stock look. Well This kit actually looks as thought it cam from the factory. I really really like it. So to you.

[ALL.FOUR.32]

Thanks guys, so what you are saying marcel is the mani will be on sale soon????
and again, please your thoughts on the E85 tunes??? I value your opinion,

[MJM Autohaus]

It's about time, Vollmer! Congrats, guys!

[DannyLo]

Oh man! Please offer that exhaust manifold a la carte!

[willlangford]

Any chance of offering the exhaust manifold a la carte for those who want to go the EFR route?

What would be interesting is if HPA offered "tuner" kits, basically no fuel system or software so the customer could do whatever they wanted there. HorsepowerFreaks in Portland recently started doing that with their E46 M3 kit due to the amount of customers who wanted to go ProEFI and run flexfuel (e85)..

[abeR]

wowsers

[HPA motorsports 1]

The new exhaust manifold internal channeling looks pretty good.
This is one well designed system from what I can see.
Are you planning on offering the Borg Warner turbo with this system or are you giving up on it and just going with the Garrett?

Jimbo

For HPA, we have cut BW loose. I don’t foresee these EFR turbo’s hitting the streets until December, maybe Jan, and by then, we should be preparing for the upcoming season. We are very proud of the current package and see it as a legacy program to ensure that future R owners have solid hardware options for tuning in years to come.

Oh man! Please offer that exhaust manifold a la carte!

We know there will be those that will look to experiment with EFR’s etc in years to come where we won’t have the capacity to re visit this package. As such, our manifold along with intake will be offered ala cart once we have filled our back ordered systems.

[BlownR]

The car is currently in Portland ripping around for a few weeks, so look for this update mid September.

Portland Oregon? It would be nice to know whose car this is

[HPA motorsports 1]

Portland Oregon? It would be nice to know whose car this is

The owner is just in Portland for the week visiting wth family..native Texan!

[BlownR]

The owner is just in Portland for the week visiting wth family..native Texan!

Well then he should at least take it to Portlands premier VW shop, Double J Motorwerks so we can all have a looksie :-) We could have it parked next to one of your typhoon cars.

[JamesO]

The owner is just in Portland for the week visiting wth family..native Texan!

Are they wanting to remain anonymous? If not I would love to hear who it is...


BTW, whats with the Zebra hose clamps on the throttle body, no T-bolt clamps? Those are actually holding under boost? I suppose with the small amount of hose it doesn't swell much. I have to run T-bolt clamps to keep from popping my boost hoses off.

[Sales@HPAmotorsports]

I'll let the customer come on here and give out his identity if he so desires.


And the clamps are on in the dyno run video, it appears they stayed on! We have not had an issue of popping off boost hoses with this setup.

[HPA motorsports 1]

Are they wanting to remain anonymous? If not I would love to hear who it is...


BTW, whats with the Zebra hose clamps on the throttle body, no T-bolt clamps? Those are actually holding under boost? I suppose with the small amount of hose it doesn't swell much. I have to run T-bolt clamps to keep from popping my boost hoses off.

Join our Facebook fan base and I am sure you will find the owner up there..

As for the clamps, as Keir points out, sine 1999, we have been using Wurth clamps without issues. A key however is that each connection features a machined valley for the clamp to bed into. On our high boost applications, we even machine the throttle bodies.

[VWPOPS]

T-clamps are better. I've never had an issue. However, for the limited cost difference... Clamps are a simple thing to change to increase perceived value for potential new customers.

Marcel, Thanks for posting up the comparison dyno's. I'm curious to see what kinda of number it would throw down on 93 with meth. It appears to have the potential to put my present configuration to shame quite easily... ERRR... LOL

FT465 13.5PSI (peak boost) with meth AWHP