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      09-06-2011 10:38 AM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Hawk443 View Post
      Thanks. Vaglink.com is just a bunch of links to VW parts websites. Do you know exactly who you bought it from?
      These guys are good with fair shipping...ECS typically rapes you on shipping.

      http://www.dbcperformance.com/3C8941...941431axsh.htm
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      09-06-2011 10:46 AM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by instigator31 View Post
      These guys are good with fair shipping...ECS typically rapes you on shipping.

      http://www.dbcperformance.com/3C8941...941431axsh.htm


      ECS only charged me 10.00 for UPS GRND. I prefer UPS and will pay for it cause USPS is crap. they have the right Euro switch for 59.95, cheaper than anywhere i have found
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      09-06-2011 11:00 AM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by ozfst View Post
      ECS only charged me 10.00 for UPS GRND. I prefer UPS and will pay for it cause USPS is crap. they have the right Euro switch for 59.95, cheaper than anywhere i have found
      I think you have the price wrong...

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/3C8941431AXSH/

      But you are correct, $5 cheaper. I don't understand their shipping policies, as they seem to be hit and miss, for me they are always a total rip off. But to each their own...
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      09-06-2011 11:48 AM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by instigator31 View Post
      I think you have the price wrong...

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/3C8941431AXSH/

      But you are correct, $5 cheaper. I don't understand their shipping policies, as they seem to be hit and miss, for me they are always a total rip off. But to each their own...

      The price is right. your link is for the "A". the "B" is the supplier version. It has all the functions it's just cheaper. Here is the link to that:

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/5ND941431B/ES2081099/
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      09-06-2011 11:54 AM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by ozfst View Post
      The price is right. your link is for the "A". the "B" is the supplier version. It has all the functions it's just cheaper. Here is the link to that:

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/5ND941431B/ES2081099/

      WOW - WTF ?

      What is the difference in the supplier version...NOTHING ?
      Dang it...wish I knew this a month ago...thanks for clearing this up
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      09-06-2011 12:08 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by instigator31 View Post
      WOW - WTF ?

      What is the difference in the supplier version...NOTHING ?
      Dang it...wish I knew this a month ago...thanks for clearing this up
      No difference at all.....except the price of course
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      09-06-2011 12:09 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by ozfst View Post
      The price is right. your link is for the "A". the "B" is the supplier version. It has all the functions it's just cheaper. Here is the link to that:

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/5ND941431B/ES2081099/

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/5ND941431a/ --- the "A" version on ECS' site does not have the Auto function.



      the "B" version you linked has the Auto function


      To further complicate things.... ECS gives the different supplier a different part number.

      3C8 941 431AXSH = OEM Chrome with coming home with Fr/Rr Fogs (in VAG-packaging).

      3C8 941 431QXSH = OEM Chrome with Fr/Rr Fogs (in VAG packaging).

      Their aftermarket equivalent starts with 5ND 941 431 (a or b)
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      09-06-2011 12:11 PM #43
      Whew, then I am not crazy...the functions are NOT the same...close but not the same.
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      09-06-2011 12:18 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by instigator31 View Post
      Whew, then I am not crazy...the functions are NOT the same...close but not the same.

      there are many versions on the ECS website. The A and B versions I was referring to are exactly the same in function just not price. The A is 74.95 and the B is 54.95.

      here is the identical A link.

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Euro_Switch/ES252792/
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      09-06-2011 12:19 PM #45
      No, look:

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/5ND941431B/ES2081099/

      $59 and free shipping (has auto)

      vs

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/3C8941431AXSH/ES252792/

      $75 plus shipping (has auto)

      Ebay still cheapest, $49 and free shipping.

      http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ht_4773wt_1167

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      09-06-2011 12:20 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by Hawk443 View Post
      Thanks. Vaglink.com is just a bunch of links to VW parts websites. Do you know exactly who you bought it from?
      ?? When I bought it appeared that Vaglink was the company I purchased from. Receipt shows Vaglink as did Paypal.
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      09-06-2011 12:23 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr Neon View Post
      Checked your link and got all the parts to do the mod before I realized the wiring was different. Everything works except the relay...don't need it but something is missing since the front fogs enable in Vagcom only turn on the cornering lights in the Sport models

      I wish I could find a way to figure that out for sure...Again, all I know is that the coding for the 2012 R-Lines with factory fogs does not have the front fogs installed bit checked but yet it still works as well as the cornering lights.
      Yea, in the 2011 the Fog lights in VagCom control the Cornering lights as well. That is why an additional relay was needed to turn the fogs on when you pull the switch out.
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      09-06-2011 12:26 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by ozfst View Post
      there are many versions on the ECS website. The A and B versions I was referring to are exactly the same in function just not price. The A is 74.95 and the B is 54.95.

      here is the identical A link.

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Euro_Switch/ES252792/
      Quote Originally Posted by SlavaKM View Post
      No, look:

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/5ND941431B/ES2081099/

      $59 and free shipping (has auto)

      vs

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/3C8941431AXSH/ES252792/

      $75 plus shipping (has auto)

      Ebay still cheapest, $49 and free shipping.

      http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ht_4773wt_1167
      Auto versions for the CC

      5ND 941 431B = Aftermarket supplier = lower price

      3C8 941 431AXSH = Factory supplier with VAG packaging = higher price
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      09-06-2011 12:38 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by BsickPassat View Post
      Auto versions for the CC

      5ND 941 431B = Aftermarket supplier = lower price

      3C8 941 431AXSH = Factory supplier with VAG packaging = higher price
      What does the VAG packaging consist of?
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      09-07-2011 09:11 AM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by SlavaKM View Post
      No, look:

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/5ND941431B/ES2081099/

      $59 and free shipping (has auto)

      vs

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/3C8941431AXSH/ES252792/

      $75 plus shipping (has auto)

      Ebay still cheapest, $49 and free shipping.

      http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ht_4773wt_1167
      The one on ebay says, when you put the CC into the compatibility check that it isn't compatible. Is it really compatible or not? Anyone? Didn't see a part number on the website but maybe I missed it. Says it's OEM though...

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      09-07-2011 09:54 AM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by Hawk443 View Post
      The one on ebay says, when you put the CC into the compatibility check that it isn't compatible. Is it really compatible or not? Anyone? Didn't see a part number on the website but maybe I missed it. Says it's OEM though...
      5ND 941 431 B XSH

      I don't think the compatibility chart is updated. Same model cars are listed to use the ECS version.

    18. 09-08-2011 10:39 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by VdubTX View Post
      Yea, in the 2011 the Fog lights in VagCom control the Cornering lights as well. That is why an additional relay was needed to turn the fogs on when you pull the switch out.
      Problem is I believe it is the same for the 2012's but with the different CECM, figuring our what type of relay it is and where it goes is the question....

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      09-08-2011 11:44 PM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr Neon View Post
      Problem is I believe it is the same for the 2012's but with the different CECM, figuring our what type of relay it is and where it goes is the question....
      Have you checked with Maloosheck to see if he had any insight on it for the 2012's?
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    20. 09-09-2011 03:33 PM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by VdubTX View Post
      Have you checked with Maloosheck to see if he had any insight on it for the 2012's?
      I have emailed a few times...may have drove him nuts too with questions.. Still we are both confused but alas I may have found something as of today..

      Went to the dealer and spoke to the parts dude who did some research on an 2012 R-Line. More specifically the fog lights and the wiring...He did find a relay and gave me the part number..

      VW Part# 3C8-951-253 As for location..it is in front of the BCM but still not specific. The location code on the part screen said DWP-V/496 ..he couldn't figure out what or where it goes to...even the pictures didn't say much...I am familiar with the car now that I have an idea where the relay is and hopefully this may be the key to getting them retro fitted on the 2012 Sport. My only concern is that the R-line Vin# I used for searching comes up an 2011, but mine also comes up as well.

      I will pass this on to Maloonsheck to see what he thinks.

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      09-09-2011 11:04 PM #56
      Well, my $49.99 (free s/h) from EBay arrived within 3 business days.
      It's clean, new and works perfect.

      Out of the box:



      Installed:



      City lights (only the orange markers are on). Pull the switch and fogs come on.



      The only odd thing about the chinese one, is that plug is upside down, thats it.
      Original was made in Spain.



      Original is missing the following pins, assuming rear fogs. Euro switch, has all the pins.



      I wonder, if one of those pins controls the DRL and bending it out of the way would turn them off (same as MK4 switch).

      Anyway, $49.99.

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      11-12-2011 12:06 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr Neon View Post
      I have emailed a few times...may have drove him nuts too with questions.. Still we are both confused but alas I may have found something as of today..

      Went to the dealer and spoke to the parts dude who did some research on an 2012 R-Line. More specifically the fog lights and the wiring...He did find a relay and gave me the part number..

      VW Part# 3C8-951-253 As for location..it is in front of the BCM but still not specific. The location code on the part screen said DWP-V/496 ..he couldn't figure out what or where it goes to...even the pictures didn't say much...I am familiar with the car now that I have an idea where the relay is and hopefully this may be the key to getting them retro fitted on the 2012 Sport. My only concern is that the R-line Vin# I used for searching comes up an 2011, but mine also comes up as well.

      I will pass this on to Maloonsheck to see what he thinks.
      Any updates?
      I'm currently trying to get the fogs to work on my friends 2012 CC Lux with the euro auto headlight switch.
      The CC came with fogs and halogens from the factory and the fog option in vcds was turned off as you said the 2012 R-line was. It could be possible that this bit is for the euro LED fog function and servers no purpose for 2012's.

      We tried swapping out the euro headlight switch for the stock and the fogs won't come on with that either. We undid all are vcds tweaks and still no fogs. I have a feeling that when the two boxes for PRL were unchecked it did another tweak in the long coding that disabled the fogs. I'm not 100% sure though. Going to reflash the BCM to stock tomorrow with the stock headlight switch installed and see if that brings the fogs back on.

      I'm almost certain that the cornering lights are now somehow coded as the fogs and thus disable the fogs completely.

      I'm sure it's something in the coding.
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      11-12-2011 08:26 AM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by .skully. View Post
      Any updates?
      I'm currently trying to get the fogs to work on my friends 2012 CC Lux with the euro auto headlight switch.
      The CC came with fogs and halogens from the factory and the fog option in vcds was turned off as you said the 2012 R-line was. It could be possible that this bit is for the euro LED fog function and servers no purpose for 2012's.

      We tried swapping out the euro headlight switch for the stock and the fogs won't come on with that either. We undid all are vcds tweaks and still no fogs. I have a feeling that when the two boxes for PRL were unchecked it did another tweak in the long coding that disabled the fogs. I'm not 100% sure though. Going to reflash the BCM to stock tomorrow with the stock headlight switch installed and see if that brings the fogs back on.

      I'm almost certain that the cornering lights are now somehow coded as the fogs and thus disable the fogs completely.

      I'm sure it's something in the coding.
      Ok, I am confused slightly.

      I have a 2012 RLine with fogs and they worked from the factory.

      I installed the euro switch and fogs still work, no coding.

      Your LUX should be the same way, unless your fogs are aftermarket...but you said they are not. OR did you somehow change your coding and disabled your fogs?

      Or am I missing something?
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      11-12-2011 09:46 AM #59
      Rear fogs

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      11-12-2011 09:53 AM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by instigator31 View Post
      OR did you somehow change your coding and disabled your fogs?
      We were disabling the drl's (aka prl's) and when we did that the fogs got disabled. We must have made a mistake somewhere. We undid the coding and the fogs still stayed off even with the stock headlight switch. The issue is coding related.
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      11-12-2011 01:53 PM #61
      Gotcha on the coding...

      As for the rear fogs, I don't think anyone has figured it out yet with a 2012 ????
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      11-18-2011 01:35 AM #62
      Ok, so I ordered the Euro Switch, received, and installed on a 2012 R-line. It's normal functions, like parking lights, auto, and headlights work fine. However, I have NO front fogs with it installed. No rear either, but thats because i don't have a trigger wire installed. Not worried about that one just yet. I really want my front fogs back with the Euro switch. Any suggestions?

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      11-18-2011 01:49 AM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by RobSVT View Post
      Ok, so I ordered the Euro Switch, received, and installed on a 2012 R-line. It's normal functions, like parking lights, auto, and headlights work fine. However, I have NO front fogs with it installed. No rear either, but thats because i don't have a trigger wire installed. Not worried about that one just yet. I really want my front fogs back with the Euro switch. Any suggestions?

      -Rob
      I just recently installed a Euro Switch on my 09 CC and afterward, still had my fogs in a normal fashion but I understand the 2012 has different electronics. You may not need the trigger wire, since it has nothing to do with anything except the rear fogs, but you may need to use the Ross-Tech vagcom to get your front fogs back to normal.

      I am not kowledgable regarding the 2012 so hopefully someone else will come to your rescue.
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      11-19-2011 10:05 AM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by zmcmahan View Post
      Cool. Keep us posted. By the way, I got my trigger wire at my local dealer for $7 and change. They said they usually stock them.
      Part # for trigger wire?

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      11-19-2011 12:29 PM #65
      Does this Euroswitch allow fogs in"Auto"??

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      11-19-2011 12:32 PM #66
      Mine doesn't
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      11-19-2011 02:22 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by g1xx3r View Post
      Does this Euroswitch allow fogs in"Auto"??
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      11-19-2011 08:06 PM #68
      Least expensive one I've found... but will it work?

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/VW-MK5-MK6-G...28405669965458

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      11-19-2011 08:37 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by blue hare View Post
      Least expensive one I've found... but will it work?

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/VW-MK5-MK6-G...28405669965458
      Yep have it in mine works fine.
      2010 CC R-line. 5% tint, Euro Clear Corners,ST Coilovers, Whiteline Adjustable Endlinks, Led interior lights, Apr Stage 1 Carbonio Intake, R8 Coilpacks, Hoen lights, BrakePerformance Rotors, EBC Red Pads
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      11-21-2011 11:30 PM #70
      I just recieved my Euro Switch from DBC Performance out of San Antonio, TX. Installation really was 'plug and play.' Fogs work on parking lights and full on. I think part of the problem with some of the varients is the manufacturer. Even though it was more expensive, I made sure I ordered an OEM part, (not a Chinese substitute). So, for those with a 2012, I highly recommend getting an OEM specific version/varient. I know from a couple others with 2011 and older CCs that the ebay versions will work...not a guarentee with the 2012's wiring.
      As with most posters this is just my 2 cents worth. I hope this keep some people from having to realize the over used saying of "you get what you pay for".
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