Am I the only person here who actually doesn't mind the transmission? Dont hate me! Maybe it's because I do 85% city driving so I don't really notice the difference. I had a Prius before I had the Tig. The shifting actually seems comparable and I remember being told (on the Prius) that the low rumble means you're achieving great gas mileage. Ha.
All the automatics are adaptive, but they do have limits. They will never adapt to eliminate the problem occurring on the 2012s. and an APR flash will not change the behaviour of the transmission. At this time there is no aftermarket flash for the transmission. The only ones that can fix the problem is VW.
Last edited by shawng; 02-07-2012 at 05:06 PM.
After the first 2k miles on my 2012 Tig, I have to admit that some of the posters on here are right: it is a choppy ride. It just seems like this thing is constantly shifting, especially going up and down hills. Not sure how I feel about that or if it takes away from the rest of the Tig, which is put together so well.
Got a call from VW today regarding this issue. I had filed an online complaint at the below link. They take it seriously. So if you have a concern about the automatic transmission, let VW know using the below link. The more complaints there are the more likely it is that there will be a possible re-programming of the transmission:
Yup. I guess the more people making noise, the better. I still hate my wife's Tiguan for the transmission alone. This is my 23rd or so VW, and this is really the only one both my wife and I have been disappointed in. Cars should get better as they progress, not worse. I would love to get my 2009 back.
This information is from www.vw.com 2012 VW Tiguan Press Kit
Mark Gillies Manager, Product & Technology
Product Communications Specialist
Engine and Transmission
The 2012 Tiguan comes with the soul of the iconic Volkswagen GTI—the award-winning 2.0-liter TSI® turbocharged four-cylinder engine. This technically-sophisticated powerplant features double overhead camshafts, four valves per cylinder, direct fuel injection, and variable intake timing. Turbocharged and intercooled, the compact, in-line 1984cc four-cylinder produces an impressive 200 horsepower and 207 lb-ft. from just 1700 rpm.
As in the GTI, the 2.0T is mated to a precise-shifting six-speed manual transmission, which is standard on the Tiguan S model. The rest of the Tiguan line-up comes standard with a six-speed automatic with Tiptronic® manual shifting, Sport mode, and Dynamic Shift Program (DSP).
To support its far-reaching ‘Think Blue’ initiative, Volkswagen engineers have optimized the new 2012 Tiguan to give worthwhile fuel economy improvements.
Changes to the six-speed automatic transmission include the addition of a second overdrive gear to reduce engine revs at cruising speeds. The transmission in non-Sport mode now shifts at slightly lower revs, making greater use of the turbo engine’s considerable torque. And the idle speed of the 2.0T engine has also been lowered to 600 rpm. Doing this has achieved an improvement in EPA-estimated highway economy from 25 mpg to 27 mpg.
To provide added traction for the 2012 Tiguan, Volkswagen’s 4Motion all-wheel drive system is offered on all models. The electro-hydraulic system delivers drive to all four wheels without any buttons to press or levers to pull. A Haldex® center differential can continuously vary the driveforce between the front and rear axles, depending on the traction available.
In most driving conditions, 90 percent of the drive goes to the front wheels, which saves fuel. But when accelerating hard from standstill, for example, front-wheel slip is controlled by the Haldex® coupling’s ability to progressively direct nearly 100 percent of the drive torque to the rear wheels.
The 4Motion system also offers a high standard of active safety, providing sure-footed traction over virtually all surfaces—that rough road to the lake or a snow-covered driveway in winter—as well as optimum straight-line stability, even in crosswinds.
I don't have one yet, but will be replacing my A4 Avant with one later this year, so I've been trolling the boards to get informed.
I understand that people may not like the current state of the transmission. What I don't understand, however, is the insistence on complaining for a re-programming, as if it were a mistake. The transmission works this way ON PURPOSE. They changed the gearing to make both 5th and 6th overdrive gears. They also revised the stock shift points and idle speed. This is to bump up the fuel mileage by an estimated 2mpg across the board.
Now you may not like it, but VW is not going to say, "well, some people think it is noisy, so we are going to replace the gearing and revise the programming to give worse fuel mileage." No amount of complaints or letters or emails to customer service is going to do this. Like it or not, it's how it is.
The real reason I have doubts that the situation will be addressed is the vehicle emmisions and fuel mileage have already been certified using this premature shift program. Programming changes that don't affect mileage and emisions are fairly easy to make. The necessary shift point modifications may be significant enough to blow the EPA certified mileage ratings and I don't know how easy that would be without recertification at this point. There's a fairly good chance that this problem will never be addressed with the sold units or this model year so if you can't live with it, I'd suggest that you should be prepared to dump the Tiguan for something else.
Thought i would come over here to see if anyone else had this issue and looks like lots of people do....
my mom just bought a 2012 tig and noticed the noise as well, she took it to the dealer who test drove it and then other ones that all did and told her it seems to be in all of them and was normal. She took it back the other day for her 90 day check up and told the svc guy about it and how it just doesnt sound right. He drove it and others and said... well they all seem to do it. They got the svc manager on the case as well, he drove my moms and others and said yeah they do it all... but this sounds pretty bad and shouldn't be happening its not acceptable in his book. The dealer and my parents have put word in to VWoA as well as it looks like a lot of you have.
I know that just reprogramming the car to not change gears as low is a fix... but what i was then thinking is wont that throw off the MPG of the car as well... driving a car at 2-3rpm vs 1000rpm will change the MPG.... even by 1-2mpg will be different than advertised and i dont remember what car make it was but there was a huge lawsuit about a car being advertised with X mpg and getting Y mpg (worse) in which the person won.
(edit... didnt read EVERY post here but looks like people have already talked about the mpg possible issues)
Last edited by atherton213; 02-10-2012 at 11:37 PM.
Yes it will affect mpg, but I bet if they come out with a fix, they will clearly outline that to the customer to cover their ass. And it is Honda and their civic hybrid that are headed for a class action suit on advertised mileage. But in their case it was not 1-2 mpg, but closer to 20.
One data point:
I have an '09 SE 4-Motion with ~55K that I've driven since new. I like the way it shifts and I've been following this thread with interest as I'm always thinking about what my next car will be.
We recently rented a new FWD auto Tig while at our our vacation home in Florida. It had just over 1000 miles on the clock. We did ~200 miles of hwy driving as well as a ton of local errands during a 10-day stay.
I realize the rental was not a 4-Motion, but FWIW I did not hear or feel anything significantly different or objectionable compared to my '09. I commute with mine and am generally pretty soft-footed in the interest of buying less $3.70 Premium, so perhaps mine has adapted to a conservative pattern.
Biggest things I noticed, frankly, were the low-budget rental fleet interior and the tires that weren't as sticky as I prefer.
VW is in a real pickle with this because bad word of mouth (from owners, car reviews, etc.) will kill the reputation of the Tiguan, and after talking with my service manager about bad glow plugs VW experienced a couple of years ago, it will take upwards of a year and a half to get re-certified with the EPA since this will affect emissions/environmental stuff. My guess is VW will just choose to let it ride and entice buyers with shiny new re-designed 2013 models instead.
The noise doesn't bother me (since I've always got AC/DC blaring through the speakers), but I definitely feel the bog of the transmission going through gears 3-5 and when I'm cruising at 30-50mph. Sport mode has helped some, but doing that forces it to shift late, so you get higher RPMs (which I realize that's what it's supposed to do).
If they change the sport mode as a alternative, it requires no re-certification or customer CYA activity.
Last edited by VR6Now; 02-11-2012 at 12:58 PM.
The torque converter in these tranny's is a "free wheeling" one which allow the rpm's to drop to idle rpm's (600), to save gas, when your foot is off the gas pedal doing 25-35mph.
The tranny should still shift to a lower gear like 2nd or 3rd in anticipation of your foot back on the gas pedal and acceleration.
Instead, you end up accelerating from 25-35mph in 6th gear, RPM's are too low at that point for acceleration and you get potentially damaging detonation and that's the noise everyone is hearing.
Why don't you take a 2012 Tig out for a test drive and see for yourself...but until you have one pls save your comments...