First I have a 1984 cabby.
I just purchased a jh bored to 1.9, a head, ported with bigger valves and all Accessions the to boot.
I have a local mechinic who will do the swap for 500...great deal. but he doesn't know a ton
about old VW.
So I went to shine racing....waited around for 1 moth for an estimate and then all most **** my
self when he final got back to me. he wants 3500 smack a roos to just put the engine in,
i think its because he knows that I got the engine for a for a song and a dance.
So what I really , really , really , need is a good mechinic who won't hang me out to dry. so if any one
know some one or are willing to do the work for resonable price...let me know please.
Oh, well that makes sense then. I am sure the only thing that is keeping the doors open at Shine is the huge ego.
I know plenty of mechanics, but none of them work for free. You get what you pay for but what am I telling you for, you already have it all figured out.
The guys at shine are plenty busy, I was there this afternoon. They price things to be done right...if you cant afford to do it right the first time, how will you be able to afford to do it over again? If you want it done right i would take it to shine or another reputable shop. I would ask around before making comments against them, it is a great shop, they always take care of me...custom work is $$$$
you ALWAYS get what you pay for...good luck!
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Wow really you guys can't see how insane 3500 dollars is for an engine swap. I was on the phone
With the guys from TT this morning and they even thought it was completely insane.
I have nothing Against Shine racing I just don't like getting ripped off.
A 3500-4000 dollar quote at his 110 an hour is well over 30 hr's, who takes 30 ht's to swap an engine.
I certainly didn’t when I put my 350 in my truck. I'm just saying I haven't had a great experience there.
I waited 3 weeks for him to gather up a quote, When he finally got around to it he threw out a crazy figure.
So nothing against Shine I'm sure they do good work; I’m just saying they can't be the only ones.
I’ve gone they extra mile did all my homework, got all the parts I’ll need, so their won’t be any surprises
I even went as far to get a distributor from TT that is more closely mapped to my engine so timing it will be easier.
I could do it my self but I just don’t have a garage or the time.
So with that aside does any one know another decent mechanic? I'm not looking for a back yard special
I'm just looking for some on who knows what they're doing,
did it ever occur to you that Shine couldn't be bothered with the job, thus the "insane" quote?
I'm willing to bet a bag of skittles that they get requests all the time from VW "experts" who are "bringing their own parts" and "know exactly" what needs to be done in a job and are not willing to pay a dollar more than a price they saw quoted by someone on a car forum. "Customers" like that are frankly not worth the trouble they bring along with their parts.
I find odd that Techtonics would talk down about Shine since they have been a huge client of theirs for 20+ years - that just doesn't make sense. Good luck with the job...
I know how to do it, but I don't do side work anymore. Its too much of a problem than help. Plus with an old car like that a ton of **** will break from being rusted and corroded. Also no matter who it is wants more than what they came in for like "oh can you look at this this and this too" Not to mention if it doesn't run right when I R and R something they wanted me to, say you ****ed it up.....not worth the headache.
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You should look in to Banchwerks in RI, they're right over the MA border, and do great work. definitely worth checking out.
and basically what everyone else said. pay to have it done right, by someone reputable.
As a victim of a shop that did a bunch of work, and did it WRONG, it sucks to have to pay for it twice.
As much as I love bashing, $3500 is a tad ridiculous. There are not that many shop hours involved in doing that swap to charge that rate of labor. Wow, I feel weird with that civil reply. So **** you!
lets look at the breakdown of what you want done......
you got an engine in pieces, a head that needs assembly and a bottom end that needs to be checked prior to assembly, cause if joe blow put it together, it wont last. and before anyone says ' gee, its soooooooo easy to build engines' I'll remind you that more than one shop has messed up a simple naturaly aspirated engine build..
then you got a list of parts that need to be put on, a header that needs to be attached to a new exhaust(cause whatever is on there now is junk), a new clutch kit with transmission pushrod bushing, seal and flange seals etc etc.
half the stuff on the rabbit will be rusty too, so you will need to buy stuff as you find more problems.
head assembly and shimming the valves = a few hours
checking the bottom end to make sure it was put together correctly= a few hours
making a long block out of pieces= a few hours
block swap with transmission seals etc = 15 hours.
adding all the extra stuff and making the exhaust and header work= a few long hours
firing it up and breaking in the cam( you did buy a cam,right? waste of time ifyou didnt)
tuning the car = a few hours.
so thats where the 30 or so hours comes from and you pick up a running car.
3500 isnt alot of money to put an engine together that will last years and years.
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Should have just went with my gut and went with a simple... **** you. I can't think straight today, I could just never justify spending $3500 on a motor that might yield me enough whp to keep up with a moped.
Last edited by Local603; 09-01-2011 at 01:15 PM.
Alright, I never claimed to be a know it all. I'm just saying I know enough that 3500 is way to much...and if they over priced because they don't want my business then screw em. I don't want to go there. that why I started this post TO FIND A GOOd MECHANIC IN MA.
I have all new parts, head bolts, lifters, cam, head stud, valve cover, gaskets, hoses, distributor, motor mounts, thermostat, water pump, timing belts,new clutch kit already installed bushing, seal and flange seal the list goes on and on.
As far as Techonics is concerned I simple stated the price to them, they indicated it was ridiculous
They said that it should be more like 1000 max. I agree with that , that's all.
so...this what I found so far with out checking with any of the leads I found today.
One backyard-ed(Craigslist) said he would do the job for 600. problem no shop and he would have to build the engine in his garage, A Little sketchy but, I could work with him during the install so I could make sure it was done right.
two U-do-it in Nashua. Rick " the engine guy" said the engine build should be 200-300 depending on what I have...but was very
cautious until he looked at what I had...good trait,.then the install should be around 500 + depending on what breaks.
SO I'm certainly going to check the garage that have been suggested by OLD-GTI and German Blake...thanks guys I;ll let you know how it goes.
I really think this thread could be good if we stopped defending SRS and post some positive experiences you have had with Mechanics in MA. So please if you have a knowledgeable VW mechanic in your area please post em.
Whoever would build an engine correctly for $2-300 is a heroine addict. In which case would not get built correct and probably get sold for more heroine.
Now that I hear what exactly this job entails, if you pay less than $2500 I would be hesitant to believe its being done correct. Also, if the one guy said he would do it for $xxx with you by his side to make sure he does it correct... Why aren't you just doing it yourself? I mean, if you know more than the mechanic your hiring that seems like a waste of money. Unless you have no hands, then it makes sense.
this what is need to have the engine assembled. I have a short block complete, I need the head
torqued down which I'm willing to do. What I want a mechanic for is the top end.
I need the lifter and the cam put into the head. That the whole "engine build"
it's not like the entire engine is in pieces.
So when the engine is assembled and blows up within 500 miles due to piston rings not seated correctly, rod bearings improperly placed on crank you won't blame the shop that installed the cams/lifters then put the motor in?
You made a bad investment.
How the hell do you know I have made a bad investment? The short block is mint an was
Built by a reputable builder. I have history and everything with it, you honestly are just looking for a reason
to be negative. Not sure how constrictive that is. Maybe you could leave they gay picks out of the thread
so people who want to post something about a GOOD MECHANIC IN MA, can..
Ok you're getting a lot of crap in here, and I can't blame everyone. Instead of asking in a forum full of douches ( I do love all of you ) Why don't you do a search (use the ****ing search button) and target Nengland only. You will get a HUGE list of reputable shops that would love to do your work, just start calling around and stop wasting yours and everyones time.
Anyone in this thread that said 3500 is a good price is also a ****ing nut riding moron- It is without a doubt a "go away" price. 1000-1500 would be the absolute max price anyone should pay for such a simple swap.
Good luck motor sounds like it will be a blast
Thanks to this thread I found ferreira Garage in New Bedford, great mechinic and garage.paul is a stand up guy who does great work. He charged $600 for the engine install. That left enough left over money on the project I couldvdo a bunch more custom work. So thanks for all who new $3500 was insane.
Well, Im posting again because I need a mechanic closer to my home. Because, I cant do work by my self any longer and New Bedford is around 100 miles from my current home.
I live in North Andover, I just need a reasonable mecanic I can trust, closer to my home.