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    Thread: Next-Gen Land Rover Defender Debuting at Frankfurt

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      08-29-2011 07:13 PM #1
      It's looking pretty nice!

      Link: http://wot.motortrend.com/next-gener...tter%2BTraffic






      Company executives had been saying that Land Rover might finally kill off its legendary Defender. But as the Frankfurt Motor Show approaches, Auto Express reports that a “futuristic reinvention” of the Defender will be unveiled at the European show next month. The Defender is perhaps the most traditional and famous of all Land Rovers. It has been sold virtually unchanged for decades. Its boxy shape and go-anywhere off-road abilities have made the Defender an icon. But its antediluvian underpinnings (and thus a lack of safety and emissions equipment) mean it can no longer be sold in the U.S., and that by 2016 sales in Europe will have to stop.
      The new Land Rover Defender will be built upon the heavy-duty chassis used by the LR3. Rather than a facelift, Auto Express reports that it is an all-new vehicle. Like the LR3, the new Defender would reportedly get the Terrain Response System that adjusts suspension, engine, and four-wheel-drive settings to help Land Rovers tackle a variety of different surfaces.
      Building a new version of Land Rover’s most iconic model is a tough act. Colin Green, managing director of Land Rover U.K., told Auto Express that, “If we get it wrong, we are messing up one of the industry’s biggest icons.”
      A new range of four-cylinder gasoline and diesel engines will be under the Defender’s hood. The SUV’s interior will be thoroughly revised, with modern navigation and infotainment systems. It’s expected that the interiors of future Land Rover products will be styled after that of the Evoque.
      The new Land Rover Defender debuts at the Frankfurt Motor Show, but should reach production lines by 2013.



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      08-29-2011 07:48 PM #2
      The defender is my favorite suv. If they didn't retain value so well I would own one now.

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      08-29-2011 08:07 PM #3
      absolutely awesome!
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      08-29-2011 08:09 PM #5
      I saw it and went *gasp!* Whoaaaaa cooooool!
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    6. 08-29-2011 08:10 PM #6
      looks just like the old one! perfect.

      2 dr panels for me

      wait. are these pictures of the current model?

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      08-29-2011 08:15 PM #7
      I want one

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      08-29-2011 08:23 PM #8
      Those are pix of the current model, dudes. Don't get too excited.
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      08-29-2011 08:55 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by article
      The new Land Rover Defender will be built upon the heavy-duty chassis used by the LR3.
      If true, this will be a giant step backwards.

      Defender has a light weight (relatively speaking ) unibody chassis and aluminum body. LR3 has a heavy steel frame with a body on frame construction that is far less agile than the Defender offroad (and not much better on-road either).

      Edit: I honestly believe Motortrend has no idea what it is writing about. If there is an "all new" Defender, it defies logic that it will be based on the current LR3. It will make much more sense if it is based on a simplified and cleaned up Range Rover chassis, which is also unibody like the Defender. The Ford developed BOF LR3 and Range Rover Sport are an anomaly in Land Rover history... I seriously doubt the in the long run, that is the direction the new owner wants to take the brand.
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      08-29-2011 09:11 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
      If true, this will be a giant step backwards.

      Defender has a light weight (relatively speaking ) unibody chassis and aluminum body. LR3 has a heavy steel frame with a body on frame construction that is far less agile than the Defender offroad (and not much better on-road either).

      Edit: I honestly believe Motortrend has no idea what it is writing about. If there is an "all new" Defender, it defies logic that it will be based on the current LR3. It will make much more sense if it is based on a simplified and cleaned up Range Rover chassis, which is also unibody like the Defender. The Ford developed BOF LR3 and Range Rover Sport are an anomaly in Land Rover history... I seriously doubt the in the long run, that is the direction the new owner wants to take the brand.
      Um, what?

      http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Defswap.html


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      08-29-2011 09:16 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
      If true, this will be a giant step backwards.

      Defender has a light weight (relatively speaking ) unibody chassis and aluminum body. LR3 has a heavy steel frame with a body on frame construction that is far less agile than the Defender offroad (and not much better on-road either).

      Edit: I honestly believe Motortrend has no idea what it is writing about. If there is an "all new" Defender, it defies logic that it will be based on the current LR3. It will make much more sense if it is based on a simplified and cleaned up Range Rover chassis, which is also unibody like the Defender. The Ford developed BOF LR3 and Range Rover Sport are an anomaly in Land Rover history... I seriously doubt the in the long run, that is the direction the new owner wants to take the brand.
      Turn around and look at your butt in the mirror as thats where you are talking from.

      A Series truck wasnt unibody. A Defender wasnt unibody. The RRC and D1/2 werent unibody. They were boxed steel frames with bodies bolted on. The difference is that the Defender is the same boxed style steel frame with a combination of steel and aluminum bodies.

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      08-29-2011 09:34 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
      If true, this will be a giant step backwards.

      Defender has a light weight (relatively speaking ) unibody chassis and aluminum body. LR3 has a heavy steel frame with a body on frame construction that is far less agile than the Defender offroad (and not much better on-road either).
      Have you ever seen a defender in real life?

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      08-29-2011 09:41 PM #13
      Body on frame, never a unibody, and those are pics of the current model.

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      08-29-2011 09:50 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      Body on frame, never a unibody, and those are pics of the current model.

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      08-29-2011 10:03 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      Body on frame, never a unibody, and those are pics of the current model.
      Don't worry they'll work for now because the new one will look exactly like the old one Which is a good thing

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      08-29-2011 10:09 PM #16
      Doesn't look at good as a G and not as good as I would like.

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      08-29-2011 10:22 PM #17
      If they do sell it here, I will honestly 110% start saving now! Even more so if they bring over the diesel.
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    19. 08-29-2011 10:52 PM #19
      My new favorite suv; that looks tremendous.

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      Please put a turbodiesel in it
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      08-29-2011 11:22 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by PineappleMonkey View Post
      If they do sell it here, I will honestly 110% start saving now! Even more so if they bring over the diesel.
      And get a 110?
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      08-30-2011 12:23 AM #22
      Maybe? I dig the shorter wheelbases of the 90 series but obviously it's more practical with a 110.
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      08-30-2011 10:21 AM #23
      If they sell this in the US for a few years it would do wonders for the used car market on the older gen's!

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      08-30-2011 10:57 AM #24
      I'd be really surprised if this rode on an LR3 chassis. They're trying desperately to lower CO2 emissions across the line, and that's a positively elephantine platform. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they're partnering with another company to use a lighter small truck/SUV platform, or developing something in-house that might be shared with the next LR3 and RR Sport.
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      08-30-2011 11:04 AM #25
      The prices on used Defenders are crazy, I still kick myself for not snatching one up in the late 90's when prices were steady. I'm not sure I would have lost any money on it if I had kept it this long either.
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