Say Hello to the APR TT RS

[mtbscoTT]

Sorry. Not bringing it to market unless everything is finished.

At risk of getting a heavy handed reply....what exactly isn't finished? Performance parameters for tune not set yet? Delivery method for dealers not finalized? Not releasing basic tune until you also have Stage II and III products?
Nothing personal intended, but you (APR) have been "teasing" about this for months, and what was set to come out in "by Christmas" still isn't available? That's what's frustrating to people who want to spend their money.
Since ROW tunes have been out for over a year now, maybe if you elaborated on how/why the US ECU is so different would explain things better.

[Arin@APR]

Part of the delay is centered around our new programming device, which will be used for every type of ECU out there. It's a necessary update which has taken many resources to develop as it's for all ECU's and not just one. This was a critical business decision to make, which ultimately delayed a few product release but it was absolutely necessary. We are launching those tools very shortly and the ECU will follow.

The other delays are simply centered around further product testing and development. We are testing Stage 2 around the world right now which will be available for the US Market as well.

Stage 3 development is also underway in the states and the ROW. Cars will be running this month.

[Marty]

I would have to say that I'll look at APR that much closer when i buy exhaust/stage 1 tune. I'd rather a company do it right then put out something half-assed. 👍

Hey Arin, do you know if The APR exhaust and stage 1 tune, for example, would void the Audi warranty? Is Stasis the only company where their products don't void the Audi warranty?


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Any of these reflashes can void your warranty for damage that could reasonably be attributed to the higher power output or the changes to the engine control. This is the same for the Stasis chip as well. In the Stasis case, they supposedly offer a supplemental warranty that covers damage related to the chip tuning.

I have a feeling, however, that Stasis would fight tooth and nail against the liability for such a repair (similar to the dealer)... so personally, I wouldn't buy based on that "warranty."

[Marty]

i hope its more than 20, at least 40hp..., and closer to 60 with 93

Well, on 93 octane the APR ROW chip adds 51 hp (on a ROW TT-RS that starts at an Audi-quoted 340 hp). Since we already have 20 more of this hp stock (the US cars are quoted at 360 hp), then this is only a ~31 hp estimated gain on 93 octane.

On 91 octane, I would expect this to drop significantly. So 31 hp drop to 20 hp seemed like a reasonable estimate for a 93 to 91 octane difference.

There's no way you're seeing 60 hp on 93 octane.

To be fair, the torque gain is huge (as long as you're willing to trade a flat torque curve for a spikey one in exchange for the peak gain).

[J662]

Any of these reflashes can void your warranty for damage that could reasonably be attributed to the higher power output or the changes to the engine control. This is the same for the Stasis chip as well. In the Stasis case, they supposedly offer a supplemental warranty that covers damage related to the chip tuning.

I have a feeling, however, that Stasis would fight tooth and nail against the liability for such a repair (similar to the dealer)... so personally, I wouldn't buy based on that "warranty."

Are you sure about that with Stasis? I have been told by multiple dealers that whatever they offer through the dealer is covered under the original Audi warranty.


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[Marty]

Are you sure about that with Stasis? I have been told by multiple dealers that whatever they offer through the dealer is covered under the original Audi warranty.


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Just give Audi of America a call and have a chat with them about warranty coverage in this situation.

[J662]

Just give Audi of America a call and have a chat with them about warranty coverage in this situation.

Good call


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[Marty]

Good call


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Be warned that the folks trying to sell you a chip at a privately owned Audi dealer are different than the folks asked to front the bill in the event that warranty coverage is needed (Audi corporate)...

[J662]

Be warned that the folks trying to sell you a chip at a privately owned Audi dealer are different than the folks asked to front the bill in the event that warranty coverage is needed (Audi corporate)...

From what I've been told by multiple dealers is that Stasis is the only Audi "approved" tuner...I'll be calling Audi America to confirm this.


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[R5T]

In Europe Abt Sportsline is the only Audi "approved" tuner...
You go to your Audi dealer, they remove the ECU, then it get a Abt remap and get placed back in.
You keep full Audi warranty.

[tdi-bart]

wrong people

stasis is not affiliated with audi usa in any way, if a dealer is offering a stasis chip it is only that particular dealer having an agreement with stasis

audi warranty DOES NOT cover stasis products

if your car explodes, what is supposed to happen is stasis pays to get it fixed, but i read on another forum stasis is not doing so hot financially so...

Q:

Mr de Nysschen,

Would like to know your thoughts on the relationship between STASIS engeneering and Audi. We have never heard an offical announcement from Audi regarding this relationship pertaining specificaly to Dealerhip sales and manufacturer warranty. Is is safe to say that my new supercharged S4 would be safe from warranty void due to the aftermarket Stasis software? Also that my ownership experence with my facing dealer will remain unchanged due to them not being a Stasis dealer .

A:

I personally admire the enthusiasm and ingenuity of the Stasis team. To be clear, there is no connection between Audi and Stasis. Modified powertrain and suspension components void the Audi warranty. It is my understanding that Stasis offer a warranty of their own on such modified components. Those components which are not affected by the modification will continue to be covered by the Audi warranty. Stasis is not an authorized tuner of Audi vehicles. quattro GmbH, a wholly owned subsidiary of Audi AG, is the only producer of modified Audi vehicles which enjoy full factory warranty.

[DrDomm]

Bingo on Stasis. Even if you read their website, you can get a sense of this.

[tdi-bart]

some feedback on someone running new apr map in europe, basically saying its faster than revo...

http://www.vagoc.co.uk/vb/showpost.p...1&postcount=24

[JohnLZ7W]

some feedback on someone running new apr map in europe, basically saying its faster than revo...

http://www.vagoc.co.uk/vb/showpost.p...1&postcount=24

Saying it's faster is the key. Need to wait for their 30-130 day for any objective results.

[DrDomm]

Saying it's faster is the key. Need to wait for their 30-130 day for any objective results.

Those guys have been in a pissing match for a few years now. They've done a ton of testing with the RS, and I think Pov's subjective opinion is a good sign.

[JohnLZ7W]

Those guys have been in a pissing match for a few years now. They've done a ton of testing with the RS, and I think Pov's subjective opinion is a good sign.

Yeah except they've been in a pissing match for years with constant one-upsmanship and talk of mods but never any proof to back it up. There are a few folks over there that document what they're doing but then a lot of talkers too. I don't follow everyone over there (mostly 996cab, jonnyc and jamiekip's builds) so I don't remember what Pov's previous experience was.

Having a passenger shriek because you're accelerating towards a bend isn't really a great comparison between tunes

[Arin@APR]

Good things are coming to the US! I'm glad our UK and European friends are able to share some of the details.

[ThatVdub]

Bingo on Stasis. Even if you read their website, you can get a sense of this.

My understanding is that there is no Audi "approved" stasis anything, just that stasis will warranty
any damage their product does to your audi, if it is their fault...iirc... New stasis suspension and
an immediate busted oil pan = no coverage.

[Marty]

Good things are coming to the US! I'm glad our UK and European friends are able to share some of the details.

How about some more teaser pics from the stage 3 development?

[tdi-bart]

or stage 1 updates... maybe finally power numbers?

[Marty]

or stage 1 updates... maybe finally power numbers?

I already told you the power numbers! +20hp and +100ft-lbs peak on 91 ACN fuel.

[YYC Dubber]

any idea where the torque peak hits?

[Marty]

any idea where the torque peak hits?

Probably just shy of the peak on the 93-octane ROW tune, so I'd guess ~4000 RPM.

[Arin@APR]

any idea where the torque peak hits?

Just glancing at a few beta numbers, it was around 3600, but from about 2500-4700 RPM's the largest delta is only about 5%.

[LongviewTx]

beta post, beta post, beta post

[DrDomm]

I thought I'd be waiting a while from introduction before I got this flash in the spring, but I might be getting it as soon as it's available (at this rate).

[Poverty]

Saying it's faster is the key. Need to wait for their 30-130 day for any objective results.

already done that myself. New map is quicker.

Regards

Pov

[Poverty]

Yeah except they've been in a pissing match for years with constant one-upsmanship and talk of mods but never any proof to back it up. There are a few folks over there that document what they're doing but then a lot of talkers too. I don't follow everyone over there (mostly 996cab, jonnyc and jamiekip's builds) so I don't remember what Pov's previous experience was.

Having a passenger shriek because you're accelerating towards a bend isn't really a great comparison between tunes

Nothing to do with the tunes you are right, I just mentioned it for entertainment value as alot of the vagoc members know myself and chris personally, and the thought of this big guy screaming is hilarious

Bit of background on myself for our american friends. Ran a revo stage 2+ 2.0TFSI k04 for 18 months, sold that got the TTRS. Ran AMD stage 1 for a month or so, then ran revo stage 2 for over a year. Now swapped that for APR.

First time tonight I went out for a hard drive in the car in reasonable conditions. Dry roads so I could push on in the bends, trying out some heel and toe now that APR have allowed the brake and accelerator to work together in harmony. Before any application of brake would render the throttle useless. I need more practice with this feature though!


The car is fast, the power delivery is so sweet. Patience is a virtue, it will be worth the wait trust me. Not sure what else I can say without incriminating myself

Just like to add that last time my friend was in the car with me he commented on how it felt quicker than usual. I never told him that I got a new map

[as350]

....trying out some heel and toe now that APR have allowed the brake and accelerator to work together in harmony. Before any application of brake would render the throttle useless. I need more practice with this feature though!

This is an interesting bit of information. If APR's tune will allow for both throttle and brake to be applied simultaneously, boost can be built up while still braking.

[Poverty]

Yeah it will help around the track for sure!

[Arin@APR]

We add Left Foot Braking to many different applications, and the TTRS will be one of them.

Our B8 S4 customers just got it too.

[tdi-bart]

so when can we finally enjoy this? in a week? two?

[Arin@APR]

so when can we finally enjoy this? in a week? two?

March

[AppleChilli]

March

...will there be other components, i.e., exhaust, etc. rolled out as well?

[LongviewTx]

March

So, here's the deal. I have my second track event scheduled for March 24, 25. I have to drive ~ 2.5 hours to get there. There is an APR dealer in Grapevine, somewaht nearby. So,...

If you guys would have the dealers able to perform the flashes via OBD II by Friday, March 23, I could flash the evening before the event and use this new power for greatly elevating my weekend experience.

Please, when you say March, say early-March!