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    Thread: Say Hello to the APR TT RS

    1. 03-01-2012 06:17 PM #351
      labor is probably more than rods as you have to tear down most of the motor, but some say stock motor is good for 700hp...


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      03-01-2012 07:42 PM #352
      That's not a TTRS engine. It's a 2.5L Golf engine. Look at the valve cover and PCV setup at 37 seconds into the video.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63k8H...eature=related

      And here's a VW 2.5 naturally aspirated engine w/o the cover.

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      03-01-2012 07:49 PM #353
      Quote Originally Posted by tdi-bart View Post
      labor is probably more than rods as you have to tear down most of the motor, but some say stock motor is good for 700hp...
      That is not a stock motor.
      It has H-beam forged connecting rods and a whole heep of internal parts. Also that is a 2.5 Rabbit motor that has been turbo charged , not a true TTRS unit.

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      03-01-2012 08:03 PM #354
      Holy hell, that was painful to watch. Reminds me of my youth, when I used to connect duel 9v's to a standard 3v motor, and run the thing until the bearings ceased, the wiring started to melt and finally met it's inevitable demise. Leaving this world with puff of smoke; the tiny spirt of it's existence sacrificed to my unyielding curiosity of electronics. I digress.

      I can't imagine they were actually anticipating putting that monstrously modified engine into a chassis without upgrading, basically everything else, and expect it preform

      Edit: I was wrong, they put it into a dune buggy kit. They're madder than I though.

      Quote Originally Posted by tdi-bart View Post
      labor is probably more than rods as you have to tear down most of the motor, but some say stock motor is good for 700hp...

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    5. 03-01-2012 08:36 PM #355
      well then if thats a rabbit motor then ttrs can do even better

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      03-03-2012 07:40 AM #356
      Quote Originally Posted by tdi-bart View Post
      well then if thats a rabbit motor then ttrs can do even better
      I thought the TTRS engine based on the engine block from American VW Rabbit.

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      03-03-2012 07:45 AM #357
      I've been thinking about Stage III.

      Since it requires special APR downpipe, which is decat, the car will probably not pass emissions test.
      Now, I do not know how it is in US, but where I am at (Switzerland) the car has to go through governmental check (MOT, I guess) when it is 5 years old and then every two years. If it does not pass the check then you cannot drive it. That means then that in order to pass the check with SIII kit one would need to remove the whole kit (turbo, downpipe) and install the OEM parts and after the test the vice versa. That will not be cheap.

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      03-03-2012 09:45 AM #358
      There's some info on the new APR flashing stuff in the "TT-RS Order Guide" thread.
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      03-03-2012 10:27 AM #359
      Quote Originally Posted by DrDomm View Post
      There's some info on the new APR flashing stuff in the "TT-RS Order Guide" thread.
      moved here...

      per http://www.rpiequipped.com/ site February 29, 2012

      "We just got back from our trip to Opelika, Alabama for the 2012 APR Distributor Conference. To start things off, APR announced the Stage 3 kit for Audi TTRS. Power numbers were at a modest 517whp when it was shown to us. However, that was only with a day of tuning on factory fueling. APR Expects this kit to come to market at the 600WHP mark."



      Another big thing to be announced was the release of the highly anticipated UPD flashing station. Now, APR dealers will be able to flash ALL Siemens and Bosch ECU’s in house. Happy now, B8 S4 and TTRS Owners?


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    12. 03-03-2012 02:35 PM #362
      so do dealers already have the new hardware?? and if thats the case where are the stage 1 graphs
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    13. 03-04-2012 10:50 AM #363
      Ive dynoed my car.

      Results are good, the car has never had this much power before

      Id better update my signature!
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      03-04-2012 11:23 AM #364
      Quote Originally Posted by Poverty View Post
      Ive dynoed my car.

      Results are good, the car has never had this much power before

      Id better update my signature!
      What a tease...Spit it out already!?
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    15. 03-04-2012 11:29 AM #365
      haha,

      Last time I was on this same dyno I made 400hp and 380lbft on revo stage 2

      Big improvement now
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      03-04-2012 02:54 PM #366
      Quote Originally Posted by NoPasaran View Post
      I've been thinking about Stage III.

      Since it requires special APR downpipe, which is decat, the car will probably not pass emissions test.
      There's physically no room for a catalytic converter in the primary stock location.

      There IS room for dual catalytic converter in the same location as the secondary cats. We will be exploring options to make emissions friendly solutions, especially for countries like Switzerland where our importer will seek DTC.
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      03-04-2012 04:46 PM #367
      Quote Originally Posted by Poverty View Post
      haha,

      Last time I was on this same dyno I made 400hp and 380lbft on revo stage 2

      Big improvement now
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    18. 03-04-2012 05:07 PM #368
      Ok, you guys have suffered enough.

      On the development file its made......

      430hp 450lbft!
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      03-04-2012 06:08 PM #369
      Quote Originally Posted by Poverty View Post
      430hp 450lbft!


      What type of Dyno is this on? All 4 wheels? Crank or Wheel HP? Street Fuel, etc?
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    20. 03-04-2012 06:15 PM #370
      Quote Originally Posted by jmh2002 View Post


      What type of Dyno is this on? All 4 wheels? Crank or Wheel HP? Street Fuel, etc?
      All 4 wheels, crank HP, street fuel.

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    21. 03-04-2012 06:54 PM #371
      Quote Originally Posted by Poverty View Post
      Ok, you guys have suffered enough.

      On the development file its made......

      430hp 450lbft!
      ok 93/98 fuel? mr arin how about some graphs finally

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      03-04-2012 07:13 PM #372
      Quote Originally Posted by Poverty View Post
      Ok, you guys have suffered enough.

      On the development file its made......

      430hp 450lbft!
      Must be nice! : )
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      03-04-2012 07:49 PM #373
      Quote Originally Posted by Arin@APR View Post
      There's physically no room for a catalytic converter in the primary stock location.

      There IS room for dual catalytic converter in the same location as the secondary cats. We will be exploring options to make emissions friendly solutions, especially for countries like Switzerland where our importer will seek DTC.
      Thanks, Arin!
      That is good news, not only for Switzerland, but for UK, Germany, and US as well, as I believe the emissions limits in US are just as hard as in Europe (maybe I am wrong).

    24. 03-05-2012 04:29 PM #374
      A TT RS on my side of the pont and then Stage 3 with all the other necessary adjustment's means i would spend Nissan GT-R money.

    25. 03-05-2012 04:31 PM #375
      Quote Originally Posted by Poverty View Post
      Ok, you guys have suffered enough.

      On the development file its made......

      430hp 450lbft!
      Can you share WHP mate?

    26. 03-05-2012 04:38 PM #376
      Quote Originally Posted by R5T View Post
      A TT RS on my side of the pont and then Stage 3 with all the other necessary adjustment's means i would spend Nissan GT-R money.
      Looks like you bought the wrong car then.

    27. 03-05-2012 07:13 PM #377
      Quote Originally Posted by Arin@APR View Post
      Must be nice! : )
      Its very nice

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    28. 03-05-2012 07:14 PM #378
      Quote Originally Posted by jamiekip View Post
      Can you share WHP mate?
      I dont think I have those figures, I;ll have to check the graph!
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    29. 03-05-2012 07:31 PM #379
      how about you just post the graph

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      03-05-2012 11:39 PM #380
      Quote Originally Posted by Poverty View Post
      Its very nice

      Oem air box too? Nice!
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      03-06-2012 04:40 AM #381
      Quote Originally Posted by JohnLZ7W View Post
      Looks like you bought the wrong car then.
      It is not the wrong car, John, it is just that SIII is street illegal in most of Europe, I can't see how it can be street legal in US as the car will most likely not pass emissions with decat DP and original 400 CPI cats. Unfortunately.

      I do not know how they do it in US, but I've heard in UK they will also do visual inspection of underneath at MOT, so if it does not look stock (which means that it will not pass emissions with that decat APR downpipe) then the car is illegal to drive.

      The GTI I had before was bought by a guy here in Switzerland and now he did not pass MFK (Swiss MOT) because I had aftermarket exhaust with decat DP, motorsport cat and small silencer replacement pipes, and that car did pass emissions when I had it. I assume therefore visual inspection is done here as well.
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      03-06-2012 04:43 AM #382
      Quote Originally Posted by tdi-bart View Post
      how about you just post the graph
      Ahahaha, British guys NEVER post graphs, trust me on this! They only talk about how incredibly fast everything is.

      I have Sportec tune Stage 2, 419PS (=413bhp) and 607Nm (=447lbft) on 9402km old engine at ambient temperature of 28C. This is on the crank.
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    33. 03-06-2012 09:45 AM #383
      Quote Originally Posted by NoPasaran View Post
      Ahahaha, British guys NEVER post graphs, trust me on this! They only talk about how incredibly fast everything is.

      I have Sportec tune Stage 2, 419PS (=413bhp) and 607Nm (=447lbft) on 9402km old engine at ambient temperature of 28C. This is on the crank.
      Have you seen the vbox times for the Sportec maps? Auto motor und sport tested it, I'd suggest a APR map if you want to unlock your cars true potential
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      03-06-2012 11:22 AM #384
      Quote Originally Posted by Poverty View Post
      Have you seen the vbox times for the Sportec maps? Auto motor und sport tested it, I'd suggest a APR map if you want to unlock your cars true potential
      I just want to see what the plots look like, where the peaks are, how the numbers tail off etc. I just want to compare how different companies achieve their numbers, but I want to see it on customer cars not the smoothed and styled plots on the webpages of the tuners.

      Who tested, how, at which temperatures etc makes a lot of difference, and you know that and that was 2 years ago anyway and those cars have the cats on including preCAT, do you? And again here is interesting to compare the plots and how the curves develop, to understand why performance differs.

      Why it is such a BIG SECRET to share the plot I do not understand.
      Last edited by NoPasaran; 03-06-2012 at 11:37 AM.

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      03-06-2012 11:47 AM #385
      Yep, post it up, area under the curve says a lot...
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