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      01-06-2012 09:40 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Rdeuce View Post
      I know I have just been plain lazy on the roof rack install. I thought the same thing of the Euro Passat accessory catalog... that the car pictured may be a B6 w/a facelift but it looks identical to the B7 (rear photo shot)...

      Did you manage to work on your New Year's resolution yet?

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      01-07-2012 09:37 AM #37
      I promise this weekend it will happen. It's 52 degrees in Ohio so no more excuses. Keep an eye out

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      01-07-2012 11:50 AM #38
      ors rack they selling set from inno for 219 shipped,also i call yakima they prepared set from whistbar series sometimes in february,i dont understand why manufactury said not mount anything on roof.....wtf???

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      01-07-2012 03:56 PM #39
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      01-07-2012 04:10 PM #43
      Looks awesome! I just need Thule to come out with one since I have a lot of the parts already from my last car.

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      01-07-2012 04:11 PM #44
      Easy install over all, just took some time with the measurements. Yakima suggests 58 inch cross bars for the front and rear, I ordered 48 inch bars instead. The 48 in cross bar worked perfect in the rear but is about 2 inches short up front. I would order one 58 inch bar for the front and cut it to size. 48 for the rear is fine. Overall, being short up front doesn't hurt anything except I maxed out the width for the front bar and cannot put the end cap on. In addition, I would probably add a half inch to the width measurement (driver base to passenger base measurement) in the front. I added 5/8 in to the rear width measuremtn so the pad was 100/% covered on the vehicle. I do have a luggage box from Yakima named the Rocketbox Pro 11. I will put that together tomorrow and install/take pix. The bike rack was simple. The faring was simple but sorta cheap (it's plastic). I believe any of the bike rack applications work it just depends what type of set up you want and how much you want to spend. Overall 10/10 system. I did a road test on the highway at 70 mph with the bike and there were no issues. I only drove for 2 miles though. I am sure there is drag but that's expected with a roof mounted system. It was very quiet and stable though. I would recommend the faring foto cut down on noise. Sunroof works at full tilt. Please let me know if you have any questions.

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      01-07-2012 04:36 PM #45
      Where's that "slow-golf clap" icon?

      Bravo!!

      Time for me to get on with my order!

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      01-07-2012 05:00 PM #46
      Looks good. Still don't understand why VW is against racks on the new Passats?

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      01-07-2012 05:10 PM #47
      Baffles me as well. The mounting points are on the most solid part of the vehicle. Perhaps VW's conern is the strain on the motor from drag etc?

      Here is what I ordered:

      - 8000124 x 1 Q Towers (sold in 4s)
      - 8000635 x 1 Q35 clips (for the front and are sold in pairs)
      - 8000728 x 1 Q128 clips (for the rear and are sold in pairs)
      - 8000408 x 1 48 inch crossbar (sold in pairs- see my write up before ordering)
      - 8002098 x 2 forklift bike rack (sold one ea, shown on vehicle, other options available)
      - 8007206 X 6 SKS locks (one lock for each Q tower, and 1 lock for each bike rack)
      - 8007047 x 1 38 inch faring (fits well imo but there are other lengths)
      - 8007193 x 1 RocketboxPro 11 (this thing is huge but is also Yakima's smallest most sleek design, can use with bike rack(s) as it takes half the roof space, will post pix on 1-8)

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      01-07-2012 08:24 PM #48
      You need a wider/longer fairing and a 58" cross bar reduced to 50" or so.

    14. 01-12-2012 11:09 AM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Rdeuce View Post
      Baffles me as well. The mounting points are on the most solid part of the vehicle. Perhaps VW's conern is the strain on the motor from drag etc?

      Here is what I ordered:

      - 8000124 x 1 Q Towers (sold in 4s)
      - 8000635 x 1 Q35 clips (for the front and are sold in pairs)
      - 8000728 x 1 Q128 clips (for the rear and are sold in pairs)
      - 8000408 x 1 48 inch crossbar (sold in pairs- see my write up before ordering)
      - 8002098 x 2 forklift bike rack (sold one ea, shown on vehicle, other options available)
      - 8007206 X 6 SKS locks (one lock for each Q tower, and 1 lock for each bike rack)
      - 8007047 x 1 38 inch faring (fits well imo but there are other lengths)
      - 8007193 x 1 RocketboxPro 11 (this thing is huge but is also Yakima's smallest most sleek design, can use with bike rack(s) as it takes half the roof space, will post pix on 1-8)

      The reason Vw is not designing a roof rack is because the roof was not designed to handle weight. Here are some pictures of a Thule rack on a passat. This was one of our sales guys. He used the whole setup from a B6 Passat and had to grind off one nipple on the feet. I checked it out and seems pretty secure. Hope this helps some of you guys.




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      01-12-2012 11:17 AM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by Paul@KefferVW View Post
      The reason Vw is not designing a roof rack is because the roof was not designed to handle weight. Here are some pictures of a Thule rack on a passat. This was one of our sales guys. He used the whole setup from a B6 Passat and had to grind off one nipple on the feet. I checked it out and seems pretty secure. Hope this helps some of you guys.



      Nice!

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      01-12-2012 02:31 PM #51
      Looks great! It's scary to think they didn't make one bc the roof is not strong enough to hold it.

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      01-12-2012 02:42 PM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by Paul@KefferVW View Post
      The reason Vw is not designing a roof rack is because the roof was not designed to handle weight.
      The strange part about that is that the Passat handled the roof crush tests better than any other car in its peer group:

      http://www.iihs.org/ratings/roof/detailsbyclass.aspx?30

      20,592 lb peak force.

      "To measure roof strength, a metal plate is pushed against one corner of a vehicle's roof at a constant speed. The maximum force sustained by the roof before 5 inches of crush is compared to the vehicle's weight to find the strength-to-weight ratio. This is a good assessment of vehicle structural protection in rollover crashes."

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      01-12-2012 02:50 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by cheapa55TDI View Post
      Looks great! It's scary to think they didn't make one bc the roof is not strong enough to hold it.
      My guess is it was more of a monetary decision. How many roof racks would VW have to make and sell for it to be cost productive. My guess is based on what the demographics of what VW expected the Passat owner to be, the made a business decision that they would not sell enough roof racks to justify production......Just a guess!

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      01-12-2012 03:18 PM #54
      So no roof rack here hence none from VW?

      http://www.toyota.com/camry/accessories.html

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      01-12-2012 08:35 PM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by Bud@DeanMcCraryImports View Post
      My guess is it was more of a monetary decision. How many roof racks would VW have to make and sell for it to be cost productive. My guess is based on what the demographics of what VW expected the Passat owner to be, the made a business decision that they would not sell enough roof racks to justify production......Just a guess!
      Totally agree, the Passat's roof is stronger than all other cars on the crush test. I don't see anybody having problems with racks on the B7.

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      01-13-2012 12:27 PM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Bud@DeanMcCraryImports View Post
      My guess is it was more of a monetary decision. How many roof racks would VW have to make and sell for it to be cost productive. My guess is based on what the demographics of what VW expected the Passat owner to be, the made a business decision that they would not sell enough roof racks to justify production......Just a guess!
      That doesn't explain the admonishment in the user manual (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post74709632). It's not just that VW is not making a roof rack for the Passat, they are warning us to not use any roof rack on the Passat. I am quite puzzled by this and I still wonder if there is any legitimate reason for them to warn us against putting on a roof rack, or if it's just a CYA because they didn't want to test any roof racks.

    22. 01-13-2012 12:37 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by miff View Post
      That doesn't explain the admonishment in the user manual (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post74709632). It's not just that VW is not making a roof rack for the Passat, they are warning us to not use any roof rack on the Passat. I am quite puzzled by this and I still wonder if there is any legitimate reason for them to warn us against putting on a roof rack, or if it's just a CYA because they didn't want to test any roof racks.
      As stated previously the roof on this car was not designed to support a roof rack. That does not mean that if you put one on the car the roof will fold like a soft taco. I would venture to say the people in VWOA Accessories would not give up on designing a roof rack for what VW projects is going to be their #2 seller in the nation. Most likely what happened was that when the car was engineered they did not keep roof racks in mind. Causing them to building car that was not structurally intended support the weight on the roof. This would mean the Accessory team would not be able to make roof racks for legal reason.

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      01-13-2012 09:29 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by Paul@KefferVW View Post
      As stated previously the roof on this car was not designed to support a roof rack. That does not mean that if you put one on the car the roof will fold like a soft taco. I would venture to say the people in VWOA Accessories would not give up on designing a roof rack for what VW projects is going to be their #2 seller in the nation. Most likely what happened was that when the car was engineered they did not keep roof racks in mind. Causing them to building car that was not structurally intended support the weight on the roof. This would mean the Accessory team would not be able to make roof racks for legal reason.
      I tend to believe this hypothesis.

      Most VW models (GTIs, Golfs and previous body style Jettas) had a hole manufactured into the inside of the frame of the roof (where the door closes). The hole is covered by a plastic screw-like cap that simply needed to be "backed out" prior to installing the front cross bars of an OEM rack.

      The NA B7, unfortunately, is devoid of this design feature. As a result, VVOA is adamantly against a roof rack of ANY kind.......at least for now I suppose.

      I wouldn't be surprised if the mysterious hole mysteriously appears for '13.

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      01-13-2012 10:17 PM #59
      Agreed. I am not trying o sell the Yakima system or anything but compare the mounting points between the 2 pictured system. The Yakima rack does not mount or rest on top of the roof's sheet metal but more on the structural edge of the roof line. Seems stronger to me.

      Dropped about 3-4 mpg btw.

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      01-14-2012 02:09 PM #60
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      u can preorder set form thule for 2012 vw passat it willbe available in march as foot kit with rubbers is in production now

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      01-16-2012 01:07 AM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by jsmyle1%... View Post
      I tend to believe this hypothesis.

      Most VW models (GTIs, Golfs and previous body style Jettas) had a hole manufactured into the inside of the frame of the roof (where the door closes). The hole is covered by a plastic screw-like cap that simply needed to be "backed out" prior to installing the front cross bars of an OEM rack.

      The NA B7, unfortunately, is devoid of this design feature. As a result, VVOA is adamantly against a roof rack of ANY kind.......at least for now I suppose.

      I wouldn't be surprised if the mysterious hole mysteriously appears for '13.
      Nope, not going to happen. There are only a few changes happening for 2013 Passats and thats not one of them.

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      01-19-2012 12:45 AM #62
      do tell, what changes, and also like i asked a long time ago, when can we buy a '13?

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      01-22-2012 04:16 PM #63
      Rdeuce,

      In an effort to avoid starting a whole new thread, maybe you can attempt to answer a concern of mine regarding the Yakima setup.

      What are the chances of me being able to get away with using the VW OEM bike carriers with the the Yakima cylindrical bars? The OEM bike carrier has two different options: 1) the type that has the hex bolts that slide into the OEM bars or 2) the "clamping" type setup that I have successfully used with a Honda Odyssey rack system.

      Am I to ASSume that if clamped properly (front and rear), it won't matter if its a cylindrical, rectangular, or square bar?

      Learn me...

      Thanks in advance.....

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      01-25-2012 08:01 PM #64
      My set up is a clamp on and the Yakima bars are cylindrical. I don't see why your OEM bike carriers wouldn't work with the cylindrical Yakima bar. If it doesn't work, the bike carriers aren't to pricey. Does that help answer your question? If not reply back to the thread

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      01-26-2012 08:36 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by Rdeuce View Post
      My set up is a clamp on and the Yakima bars are cylindrical. I don't see why your OEM bike carriers wouldn't work with the cylindrical Yakima bar. If it doesn't work, the bike carriers aren't to pricey. Does that help answer your question? If not reply back to the thread
      Guess I'll be taking a leap of faith of sorts.

      I'm sure all will be just fine.

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      02-06-2012 10:51 AM #66
      I'm waiting for someone to post that they took their Passat in for one of the free oil changes while the car was fitted with a rack, and the service manager hands them an invoice for the maintenance with a note at the bottom informing them that their warranty is void.

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      02-06-2012 02:06 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by brian81 View Post
      I'm waiting for someone to post that they took their Passat in for one of the free oil changes while the car was fitted with a rack, and the service manager hands them an invoice for the maintenance with a note at the bottom informing them that their warranty is void.
      Not a chance Sir.

      It just can't happen like that...... Hypothetically speaking, if your A/C stopped working, the warranty CANNOT be denied due to the presence of a roof rack.....APR software......tinted windows.....20" alloy wheels......leopard-skin seat covers.....unless the specific dealer can PROVE the modification in question caused the failure.

      Jus' sayin'......

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      02-06-2012 05:23 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by brian81 View Post
      I'm waiting for someone to post that they took their Passat in for one of the free oil changes while the car was fitted with a rack, and the service manager hands them an invoice for the maintenance with a note at the bottom informing them that their warranty is void.
      Once set up initially, it only takes a minute to break down and put back up.

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      02-06-2012 09:20 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by Paul@KefferVW View Post
      The part numbers listed lead me to believe that the euro passat is only a face lift. To my knowledge the us made passat is not being exported, and is a design on its own.

      The US passat is the same passat from China; Actually with far less than the chinese version. But don't be fooled by the Chattanooga plant. The car is chinese not german; It just uses some german parts..

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      02-06-2012 09:23 PM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by brian81 View Post
      I'm waiting for someone to post that they took their Passat in for one of the free oil changes while the car was fitted with a rack, and the service manager hands them an invoice for the maintenance with a note at the bottom informing them that their warranty is void.

      I guess the chinese don't ski, bike, or surf haha! They made a car meant to not have racks... yikes! Although I doubt it would void the warranty as it just states not to overload the roof; Not anything about voiding the warranty just because you put something aftermarket on the roof. Then every car with a thule would have a voided warranty..

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