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    Thread: Black Forest Industries 18 Hour Swap: MK1 VR6

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      10-10-2011 08:33 PM #51
      im curious about the oil pan clearance as well. also, i understand it comes with custom axles, but was there a reason that you couldnt have just made the kit to work with late cabriolet axles? that way when they break (which im sure someone is gonna do it) we could just get a new axle with out having to find a special one, or have one made, or have to go thru the one place that sells the kit.

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    4. 10-10-2011 09:27 PM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by JCdubber View Post
      im curious about the oil pan clearance as well. also, i understand it comes with custom axles, but was there a reason that you couldnt have just made the kit to work with late cabriolet axles? that way when they break (which im sure someone is gonna do it) we could just get a new axle with out having to find a special one, or have one made, or have to go thru the one place that sells the kit.
      Im sure Eurowise will sell you more custom axles if you need them.

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      10-10-2011 10:16 PM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by deathhare. View Post
      Im sure Eurowise will sell you more custom axles if you need them.
      i figured that much...
      Quote Originally Posted by JCdubber View Post
      or have to go thru the one place that sells the kit.
      though i understand eurowise is just making the kit, and BFI is distributing it. im imagining one or the other will offer replacements. i am curious as to the reasoning behind it though. i hear of people using them on their mkI vr swaps often enough, so why not keep with the trend of making it easy? and not only that, wouldnt that save on the cost of making the kit in the first place? less money to make it=less money to buy it=more people buy it=they make more money in the long run. maby im just over thinking it. but the axles, and the questionable pan clearance is really all thats stopping me from buying one of these setups for my swap.

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      10-10-2011 10:27 PM #56
      You have to run custom axles, or notch the passenger frame rail. One or the other. Stock 100mm driver's side axle puts the pulleys inside the frame rail. Short axle allows the whole shebang to be moved over so you don't need to notch.

      I notched. I like stock axles.

    7. 10-10-2011 10:27 PM #57
      Folks employing mkIII/IV mounts are also making/ having custom axle/s made. Im still really curious to see what the required downpipe looks like.
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      10-10-2011 10:28 PM #58
      the pans going to be low on any vr swap.

      also, im pretty sure others have done it without modding axles. the only difference is that most people like to not have the motor that far over so itll be a little more balanced(hopefully). its literally a couple of inches.
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      10-10-2011 10:48 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by Biodome View Post
      You have to run custom axles, or notch the passenger frame rail. One or the other. Stock 100mm driver's side axle puts the pulleys inside the frame rail. Short axle allows the whole shebang to be moved over so you don't need to notch.

      I notched. I like stock axles.
      im with you on that. i have every intention of notching the frame rails for the axles, and welding the mkIII mounts so the oil pan sits level or a few mms higher than the control arms, i will figure out what i want to do with the hood from there. ive been seeing where people have to notch the passengers side frame rail for the pulleys too, and figured id have to do that. this is not supposed to be my daily or anything. its just intended to be mkI, low as crap, and have a vr6 in it... and be relatively nice to look at. but thank you for answering my question. makes perfect sense.

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      10-10-2011 10:58 PM #60
      of all the swaps(even stock axles) on here ive never seen anyone have to notch anything for pulleys

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      10-10-2011 11:17 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by ArpyArpad View Post
      of all the swaps(even stock axles) on here ive never seen anyone have to notch anything for pulleys
      maby they angled the motor? im still playing with different ideas. hopefully someone who runs stock axles with out notching the frame can chime in and clear up the confusion.

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      10-10-2011 11:28 PM #62
      i cant remember the guys name but he had a blue rabbit with a clipper kit and black steelies and im pretty sure he used stock 16v scirroco axles.

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      10-10-2011 11:54 PM #63
      Again, anyone know who makes it? Price?
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      10-11-2011 12:02 AM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by adam@blackforest View Post
      The Eurowise kit sells for $899, which is for 3 mounts(brackets and mounts) and the two custom axles. Shoot them an email for more details/availablity
      i think bfi is distributing them when they actually go on sale.

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      10-11-2011 12:54 AM #65
      vr mk1s look dangerous

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      I was expecting a burnout as an update

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mathew... View Post
      I was expecting a burnout as an update
      they did one... and the car flipped

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    19. 10-11-2011 08:44 AM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by vento86 View Post
      vr mk1s look dangerous
      They are dangerous.
      I brutalized a g35 the other night on the interstate with mine.


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      10-11-2011 02:42 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by deathhare. View Post
      They are dangerous.
      I brutalized a g35 the other night on the interstate with mine.
      i ca do that with my all motor aba

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      10-11-2011 05:07 PM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by ArpyArpad View Post
      of all the swaps(even stock axles) on here ive never seen anyone have to notch anything for pulleys
      Me, Shannon, and Matt all notched the rail. Hope this helps...

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      10-11-2011 05:48 PM #73

      sorry. i misunderstood what was meant. i thought you meant the side of the frame rails to clear the pullies. not to mount mk4 mounts. i myself did mk3 mounts and a mk3 passenger axle with a shortened driver side but still have enough room if i did use scirocco ones.

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      10-11-2011 06:18 PM #74
      I see. But the rail does have to be clearanced for the pulleys too.

    24. 10-11-2011 06:27 PM #75
      Main purpose of the kit was to cater to the DIY crowd. Also a lot of guys also like or prefer the "OEM PLUS" look, so we built it around the mk1 chassis with zero body modification needed. Which also meant guys with fresh paint jobs, show car engine bays that were already finished didn't have to go thru the hassle of hacking it back up and repainting it. It greatly reduces the install time as BFI has nicely demonstrated.
      The engines using factory 100mm scirocco axles require removal of the passenger mount bracket, and also places the engine very tight against the frame rail on the passenger side. It also leave little room for the intake pipe. It was not possible to retain the factory mount points and also utilize OEM axles.
      The mount kit places the motor almost 3 inches further to the drivers side, making it possible to use the OEM intake and airbox. This meant for custom axles. The kit will have a few options on the axles but will be very stout and much more superior to OEM. They'll consist of 4340 chromoly solid bars and upgraded internals!

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