has anyone heard about the eurowise vr6 conversion?

[deathhare.]

Questions- I am no VR expert by any means but dont the MK4< cars only have 2 mounts and a dog bone to control twist/roll?

The mk4 mounts are a completely different type of mount.
If you remove the rear mount on your rabbit you can rock the motor back and forth by hand.

[daunicorn]

I have to give it to euro wise on this kit. I have talked to them in emails and pm's on the forum. Im just waiting to order my kit. For some one like me thats military and gonna 99% of the year the little time I get on my truck mounting my VR in my truck would take me 2 years just to get the mounts in. Kit looks top quality.

[mikeduke]

the part that concerns me is the core support. i have f ed up core supports with similar power and four mounts. i would surely want to run a bfi style front brace. more so if your running an aftermarket core support.

[_WCHLVR_]

The mk4 mounts are a completely different type of mount.
If you remove the rear mount on your rabbit you can rock the motor back and forth by hand.

Yeah... I get they are completely different. If the front mount is snug it doesn't rock at all. I tested this theory when I did the Passat front mount upgrade to my Cab.

Non-OEM style mounts would likely help a ton too. As we all know, the stock rubber mount suck ass.

[euro inc]

yes, the mk4's have 2 side mounts one rear center dogbone.
this has 2 sides and one front center.
they offer a cross memeber brace for higher hp motors to reinforce teh front if you want.
so they have that covered

i'm running no reinforcement in my 2.5L and its fine..180whp and i beat it. no issues...so a stock vr-less whp then mine...no issue either. turbo it? ok maybe time to upgrade

[nothing-leaves-stock]

The mk4 mounts are a completely different type of mount.
If you remove the rear mount on your rabbit you can rock the motor back and forth by hand.

correct BUT, you can rock a mk4 in thier mounts to if the dog bones out....we do that to remove turbos sometimes...or in a mk5-a header thats too tight

[adam@blackforest]

As Mike noted, with our Stage2 mounts installed on the kit there is the same or less movement with the same kit on a MK3 VR6. I have been handing the keys to pretty much everybody to take it for a floggin around our complex and havent had any issues thus far.

[deathhare.]

correct BUT, you can rock a mk4 in thier mounts to if the dog bones out....we do that to remove turbos sometimes...or in a mk5-a header thats too tight

No one is talking about just running two mounts here.

[nothing-leaves-stock]

i understand that man
i was just saying the mk4 rocks almost as much as a mk1 when only 2 mounts a in, as you were talking about.....

[deathhare.]

i understand that man
i was just saying the mk4 rocks almost as much as a mk1 when only 2 mounts a in, as you were talking about.....

Gotcha....You're saying a rabbit mounted motor with no rear mount rocks as much as an mk4 motor with just the two side mounts.
Agreed.

So how is having your VR motor swing huge distances in the mounts a good thing? Maybe I'm slow and everyone understands this but how is that something anyone would want?

[nothing-leaves-stock]

i'm sorry buddy, i don't understand you question?
factory its that way.
eurowise basically swapped the "dogbone" mount idea to the front. so theres 3 mounts. removed the center(front or rear, mk1 or mk4) it will swing a bit on the 2 side.

sorry if i'm missing what your wondering

[fendrjgstng94]

its around, but they say they are releasing it late 2011. its starting to get late, who knows when they come out?

You live in ansonia. Where by? I'm up on hilltop. Lived there my whole life. I'd pm you, but your inbox is full.

[Digital K.]

I think everyone thats complaining should shut the **** up and be happy a legitimate company gives a **** about our crappy econo**** cars. most companies have completely abandoned us.

props to eurowise for supporting mk1 culture. most companies won't do it because most owners are too cheap to "pay to play" as the saying goes.

[deathhare.]

i'm sorry buddy, i don't understand you question?
factory its that way.
eurowise basically swapped the "dogbone" mount idea to the front. so theres 3 mounts. removed the center(front or rear, mk1 or mk4) it will swing a bit on the 2 side.

sorry if i'm missing what your wondering

As you said, the rabbit motor without a rear mount swings just as much as an mk4 mounted motor with no dogbone. I agreed, as anyone who's tried this would. So to repeat what I asked..how is having your VR motor swing huge distances in the mounts a good thing?

The dogbone mk4 mount and the front rabbit mount are nothing alike and can't be compared. The dogbone mount prevents movement in both directions. Front and rear swing is eliminated. The rabbit front mount does not do this. It only eliminates swing in one direction. That, as you know, is the reason you can take the rear mount off a rabbit-mounted motor and rock the engine forwards dramatically with little effort. In fact, you can easily have it disconnect with the front mount cup altogether with ease.

We dont even need to go into the fact that 100 more lbs than an regular 8v are now hanging on just two frame mount brackets instead of three.
Without a rear mount these brackets will almost definitely fail. They may do so even if a rear mount is added.

I wonder what EW will do when this happens to people's cars?
I think we'd all like to know how they intend to deal with people's **** breaking a year down the road.

[Digital K.]

As you said, the rabbit motor without a rear mount swings just as much as an mk4 mounted motor with no dogbone. I agreed, as anyone who's tried this would. So to repeat what I asked..how is having your VR motor swing huge distances in the mounts a good thing?

The dogbone mk4 mount and the front rabbit mount are nothing alike and can't be compared. The dogbone mount prevents movement in both directions. Front and rear swing is eliminated. The rabbit front mount does not do this. It only eliminates swing in one direction. That, as you know, is the reason you can take the rear mount off a rabbit-mounted motor and rock the engine forwards dramatically with little effort. In fact, you can easily have it disconnect with the front mount cup altogether with ease.

We dont even need to go into the fact that 100 more lbs than an regular 8v are now hanging on just two frame mount brackets instead of three.
Without a rear mount these brackets will almost definitely fail. They may do so even if a rear mount is added.

I wonder what EW will do when this happens to people's cars?
I think we'd all like to know how they intend to deal with people's **** breaking a year down the road.

man there HAS to be some kind of rear mount incorporated? somehow?

[sk8ordie]

Dudes at eurowise have already stated in this thread - a rear mount is under r&d. This entire kit is under r&d. To critique something that is NOT finished - much less get all butt hurt seems like a waste of time. Like DK said - it's rad folks are making innovative parts for our cars - much less a proven shop.

[JUS_GT_EYEZ]

Looks like bfi used this with the three mounts..

http://vimeo.com/29354533

motor running at 3:00 and looks as stable as my 2.0s on hd mounts under throttle.

I checked out the EW cabby at h20.. it appeared to be using the three mounts as well, but with the additional bracing. I did not get to see that engine running, but those mounts looked very beefy.

[JUS_GT_EYEZ]

Dudes at eurowise have already stated in this thread - a rear mount is under r&d. This entire kit is under r&d. To critique something that is NOT finished - much less get all butt hurt seems like a waste of time. Like DK said - it's rad folks are making innovative parts for our cars - much less a proven shop.

agreed..

[_WCHLVR_]

The dogbone mount prevents movement in both directions. Front and rear swing is eliminated. The rabbit front mount does not do this. It only eliminates swing in one direction.

Shan, take a look at the OE mount again. The motion it stops is technically more "up and down" than "front to back". This is because the front mount is closer to the roll center of the motor/mount than the bottom of the motor. The dog bone is located on the bottom of the motor/trans hence why it needs to control a front to back motion.

Two different designs doing the same thing

[deathhare.]

Shan, take a look at the OE mount again. The motion it stops is technically more "up and down" than "front to back". This is because the front mount is closer to the roll center of the motor/mount than the bottom of the motor. The dog bone is located on the bottom of the motor/trans hence why it needs to control a front to back motion.

Two different designs doing the same thing

Then why can you rock a rabbit motor dramtically by hand when the rear mount is taken off?
And then why did VW waste money making rear mounts if theyre not needed?


I realize this is all under r&d (even though people have already bought sets ) I hope they end up making a rear mount and if my whine encourages that, then its a good thing.
Even 4cyl motors have cracked mount brackets on rabbits and that's with much less weight and 4 mounts.

I dont even know why I care if ya'll don't.
I guess I enjoy discussing car stuff.

[Digital K.]

Then why can you rock a rabbit motor dramtically by hand when the rear mount is taken off?
And then why did VW waste money making rear mounts if theyre not needed?


I realize this is all under r&d (even though people have already bought sets ) I hope they end up making a rear mount and if my whine encourages that, then its a good thing.
Even 4cyl motors have cracked mount brackets on rabbits and that's with much less weight and 4 mounts.

I dont even know why I care if ya'll don't.
I guess I enjoy discussing car stuff.

there's a reason there are different mounts for diesels than gas cars, and that the poly mounts disintegrate pretty much within months. the rear mount does a lot of work on an an A1. I still think its badass that eurowise is making **** for our crappy cars.

[deathhare.]

the rear mount does a lot of work on an an A1.

I think its badass that eurowise is making **** for our crappy cars.

Agreed

[Digital K.]

Agreed

bet the stickers are in my mailbox.

[deathhare.]

bet the stickers are in my mailbox.

Best news of all.

[_WCHLVR_]

Then why can you rock a rabbit motor dramtically by hand when the rear mount is taken off?

The same reason companies like BFI sell a spacer for the front mount- The bushing fits very poorly in the mount. The older the bushing is the worse it fits. Like I said before, when I changed my front mount on my Cab to a much tighter fitting Passat piece the "flop" disappeared.

I guess I enjoy discussing car stuff.

This is the only reason I even posted in here. VR's aren't my bag.

[adam@blackforest]

There was a segment of time while working on the Rabbit where we only had the 2 Eurowise side mounts in stalled, and I can tell you there was dramatically less movement when compared to the same two OEM mounts on a stock motor. I think much of this is due to the Eurowise passenger side mount and the fact it mounts flat on the back of the motor over a much larger surface than does the stock MK1 mount.

The stock MK1 mounts, even with poly inserts, allow alot of flex. The poly rear trans mounts fail due to both this and their design with the by-passing bolts leaving only a tiny amount of material between them. Not to try and push our products, but, our full poly engine and trans mount get rid of so much of the 'swing' in the stock mounts that in our testing making a new poly lower trans mount served no benefit.

As well their new front motor mount is both much shorter than the OEM front as well as with how its made with the bend much stiffer of a bracket.

[JCdubber]

yeah everything about it seems pretty nice. a little steep on the price, but then custom axles arent cheap either. as far as the strength? anyone who thinks a dinky vr6 is gonna tear 3/8" think metal needs to thumb through the machinerys handbook.

the only thing i really dont like about the kit is how low the oil pan sits. otherwise, its awesome if you have the money. i, have a welder. haha all my money went into buying the rabbit and the swap.

[euro inc]

yeah everything about it seems pretty nice. a little steep on the price, but then custom axles arent cheap either. as far as the strength? anyone who thinks a dinky vr6 is gonna tear 3/8" think metal needs to thumb through the machinerys handbook.

the only thing i really dont like about the kit is how low the oil pan sits. otherwise, its awesome if you have the money. i, have a welder. haha all my money went into buying the rabbit and the swap.

We've built dozens of 300-400whp rabbits with 16v's 1.8t's and soon to be VR6's. We have not experienced any OEM bracket failure with these high horsepower applications yet. We are thinking a 160whp VR6 should hold up just fine as well.

The axles were tested and tested and they went back into R&D and we finally had axles made that satisfied us. The finished product will be 4340 Chromoly metal solid bars, upgraded internals, and OE outer housings. If that's not enough for the big turbo\supercharger guys. there will be an option for 500+ axle setups that include new billet hubs, axles, and chromoly bars. A bulk of the price is from the cost of the axles alone.







Unfortunately all lowered VR6 cars you will encounter issues with a low oil pan. We just got back from a 500 mile trip to the BFI octoberfest show with 0 issues. We have the mounts in the highest position and the oil pan sits about 3-4 inches from the ground. Car is sitting on 15" wheels and 165-50's.

Then why can you rock a rabbit motor dramtically by hand when the rear mount is taken off?

With just the 2 side mounts installed with stage 1 bushings grabbing the engine and rocking it was very minimal. with the delrin stage 2-3 it almost does not rock at all.

Dudes at eurowise have already stated in this thread - a rear mount is under r&d. This entire kit is under r&d. To critique something that is NOT finished - much less get all butt hurt seems like a waste of time. Like DK said - it's rad folks are making innovative parts for our cars - much less a proven shop.

Done and in production!

man there HAS to be some kind of rear mount incorporated? somehow?

DONE!

[Nashty Rabbit]

We just got back from a 500 mile trip to the BFI octoberfest show with 0 issues.

0 issues

you need a heavier right foot, faster left foot, and quicker right hand.... "GRANNY SHIFTING NOT DOUBLE CLUTCHING LIKE YOU SHOULD"

just say'n...

jokes aside, rode with mike and the car rip'd... not the core support, but the tires....

i had bought one of the very first front core braces made years ago (forgot guys name) and once installed my car never had anymore motor "rock'n" issues, nor did the front mount ever rip out anymore after all those years. and i promise you my car was putting out much more power and torque than any NA vr6...

either way, i'm still waiting for EW's bolt-in AWD setups coming out in 2012...

take care,
nash

[IronTrap]

Sent you guys at EuroWise a PM about this kit.

[deathhare.]

That is the longest axle Ive ever seen.

[Digital K.]

That is the longest axle Ive ever seen.

I can teach you how to use a wide angle lens to feel better about yourself eh?

[CasuallyWreckless]

I'll be ordering myself a stg. 2 kit now I have to decide weather to make a custom hydro setup or do the brickwall actuator route

[vdubspeed]

For the record and to help stop the bashing of the 3 mounts....

When VWMS built the mk2's for GrN and GrA, they went back to the mk1 style of mounts for the drive and side. Then they deleted the front mount and used only a rear link (much like the mk4 dogbone idea). It is proven that putting the mounts on the frame rails like a mk1 increases stiffness. So once the motor is help in place, it only needs one mount forward or aft to control the swing.

I might be able to do it cheaper in my garage but I RESPECT ANY man who builds a product, tests it, puts it in production, and lastly, is HELPING the mk1 community.

I haven't come in this forum for a while and it's nice to see fresh products for our mk1s.

As for proof of the VWMS design in a mk2 which I feel is exactly what this kit accomplishes in a mk1 (except anti-torque is in the front as opposed to the rear like a mk4)...



3 mounts work just fine

[deathhare.]

I can teach you how to use a wide angle lens to feel better about yourself eh?

I doubt you could teach me anything.
I was kidding and realize its wide angle. Granted they did lengthen that axle 3 inches over stock length.

For the record and to help stop the bashing of the 3 mounts....

When VWMS built the mk2's for GrN and GrA, they went back to the mk1 style of mounts for the drive and side. Then they deleted the front mount and used only a rear link (much like the mk4 dogbone idea). It is proven that putting the mounts on the frame rails like a mk1 increases stiffness. So once the motor is help in place, it only needs one mount forward or aft to control the swing.

I might be able to do it cheaper in my garage but I RESPECT ANY man who builds a product, tests it, puts it in production, and lastly, is HELPING the mk1 community.

I haven't come in this forum for a while and it's nice to see fresh products for our mk1s.

As for proof of the VWMS design in a mk2 which I feel is exactly what this kit accomplishes in a mk1 (except anti-torque is in the front as opposed to the rear like a mk4)...



3 mounts work just fine

You got it backwards man. The discussion was about the idea of running two side mounts and one front and no rear. The car you show is not like that. Its two sides and a rear and no front. Whole different ball game since the dogbone shown doesnt at all operate in the same ways as a rabbit front mount.
Regardless...eurowise has stated they added a rear mount now and so there are now 4 mounts in the equation.