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    Thread: Best performance: 12v vr6 vs 24v vr6. Who's the fastest w/ mods and who gets the best mileage?

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      10-05-2011 10:44 AM #1
      Just curious, as I think I'll be back in the market for a summer-only super clean 12v or 24v vr6. I will be making it fast, so I'd like to know which one is the most receptive to mods and which one gets the best mileage when babying it. I'm going to assume the 24v takes the cake, being it has twice the valves and one extra gear to use... but I'm not positive. thanks all!

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      10-05-2011 10:52 AM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by 85_305 View Post
      Just curious, as I think I'll be back in the market for a summer-only super clean 12v or 24v vr6. I will be making it fast, so I'd like to know which one is the most receptive to mods and which one gets the best mileage when babying it. I'm going to assume the 24v takes the cake, being it has twice the valves and one extra gear to use... but I'm not positive. thanks all!
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      a 08 member with your posts should know better than to make this thread....



      24v is your answer.

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      10-05-2011 10:54 AM #3
      12v ftw :p



      it really comes down to money. and how much you are willing to part with .
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      10-05-2011 10:58 AM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by tar View Post
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      a 08 member with your posts should know better than to make this thread....



      24v is your answer.
      hogwash my friend.. this place needs some technical questions once in a while! But thanks for your input. Was I correct in my reasoning being it's got 12 extra valves and an extra gear?


      Quote Originally Posted by Soundwave_vr6 View Post
      12v ftw :p



      it really comes down to money. and how much you are willing to part with .
      I had a 12v that was a blast! But if a 24v can do it better, I wont say no.


      What kind of numbers do n.a. 24v's put down with say cams, chip, exhaust, dp, intake, and some p&p work?

    5. 10-05-2011 11:00 AM #5
      basically it comes down to how much you want to spend.

      it'll cost less to get a 12v to 400whp than it will a 24v. other than that its the same exact car/interior. 12v does have a better exhaust note. but once your boosted it wont matter.
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      10-05-2011 11:02 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by 85_305 View Post
      hogwash my friend.. this place needs some technical questions once in a while! But thanks for your input. Was I correct in my reasoning being it's got 12 extra valves and an extra gear?


      your right if only we had technical sub forums or something of that sort.

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      10-05-2011 11:04 AM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by DUB_MANGv2 View Post
      basically it comes down to how much you want to spend.

      it'll cost less to get a 12v to 400whp than it will a 24v. other than that its the same exact car/interior. 12v does have a better exhaust note. but once your boosted it wont matter.
      As much as I'd love a vrt... I just dont think I'll be going down this path if I buy a vr6. I'll just buy a super clean GTI and do basic motor/suspension mods I think.

      Why is it pricier to build up a 24v? Are parts pricier?

      I'm really enticed by the 6spd in the 24v... but I didn't know there was a sound difference between the 12v's and 24v's.


      How much power can a bolt-on 12v and 24v put down? My built mk3 12v (motor.. trans.. .suspension) would walk many a v8 cars... what will it take to make a 24v faster?

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      10-05-2011 11:05 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by tar View Post
      your right if only we had technical sub forums or something of that sort.
      True true. Ah well... this part of the forum gets a ton of attention so it's all good

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      10-05-2011 11:10 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by 85_305 View Post

      I had a 12v that was a blast! But if a 24v can do it better, I wont say no.


      What kind of numbers do n.a. 24v's put down with say cams, chip, exhaust, dp, intake, and some p&p work?
      my friends 24v with Cams, 2.5" Cat back, cold air and, a custom (swap flash) UM flash is putting down 238whp...
      the UM falsh is not the normal one you can buy everywhere else. its a custom one Jeff has done for him...
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      10-05-2011 11:12 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by jaso028 View Post
      my friends 24v with Cams, 2.5" Cat back, cold air and, a custom (swap flash) UM flash is putting down 238whp...
      the UM falsh is not the normal one you can buy everywhere else. its a custom one Jeff has done for him...
      And what kind of torque numbers was he putting down? Any idea of track slips or race-kills or something to give me a rough idea of how fast it is?

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      10-05-2011 11:13 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by 85_305 View Post
      As much as I'd love a vrt... I just dont think I'll be going down this path if I buy a vr6. I'll just buy a super clean GTI and do basic motor/suspension mods I think.

      Why is it pricier to build up a 24v? Are parts pricier?

      I'm really enticed by the 6spd in the 24v... but I didn't know there was a sound difference between the 12v's and 24v's.


      How much power can a bolt-on 12v and 24v put down? My built mk3 12v (motor.. trans.. .suspension) would walk many a v8 cars... what will it take to make a 24v faster?
      think Building a 24v will be close to double the price... look @ a clutch kit for an 02M with lighter flywheel is around $700-900.. when a Whole 02J set up is what $500-600...
      then cams, not sure what the 12v cams go for.. but the 24v's are close to 1k!!

      as far as exhaust or anything else its all the same... think just those few parts are what get you...
      then the cost of maintenance is significantly more...
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      10-05-2011 11:14 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by jaso028 View Post
      think Building a 24v will be close to double the price... look @ a clutch kit for an 02M with lighter flywheel is around $700-900.. when a Whole 02J set up is what $500-600...
      then cams, not sure what the 12v cams go for.. but the 24v's are close to 1k!!

      as far as exhaust or anything else its all the same... think just those few parts are what get you...
      then the cost of maintenance is significantly more...
      Fux. So building a 24v is NOT goign to be cheap in other words.



      is there a weight difference between 24v and 12v GTI's that could offset any performance increases between the 2?

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      10-05-2011 11:15 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by 85_305 View Post
      And what kind of torque numbers was he putting down? Any idea of track slips or race-kills or something to give me a rough idea of how fast it is?
      I will have to ask him what his torque was...
      its fast.. lol 3rd gear pulls feel like a super charger is in the car...

      he Had Jeff @ UM tune this thing up and did some dyno pulls @ his shop...

      no track slips.. he is not a quarter mile guy. lol
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      swappin in a 12v this winter

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      10-05-2011 11:19 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by jaso028 View Post
      I will have to ask him what his torque was...
      its fast.. lol 3rd gear pulls feel like a super charger is in the car...

      he Had Jeff @ UM tune this thing up and did some dyno pulls @ his shop...

      no track slips.. he is not a quarter mile guy. lol
      I'm very curious to know torque! Has he raced anything with his modded car?

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      Into what?

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      10-05-2011 11:19 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by 85_305 View Post
      Fux. So building a 24v is NOT goign to be cheap in other words.



      is there a weight difference between 24v and 12v GTI's that could offset any performance increases between the 2?
      theres just some giving things that make it more money.. but IMO its well worth it..

      I feel the 24v has a smoother power range then a 12V... 12v can sound nasty, when a 24v will me a little more modest sounding and feeling...

      24v with the 02m will be a tad heavier.. Ill have to ask my nephew the weight of his 12v and then I could give you an idea.. off the top of my head not sure the weight of the 24V, ill run outside in a minute and check that out..
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      10-05-2011 11:23 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by 85_305 View Post
      I'm very curious to know torque! Has he raced anything with his modded car?

      I am too now... not sure if he has... we are old so we just do this for our enjoyment not for light to light fun!

      the car is just plain nuts now... that is the best way I can describe it!
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      Quote Originally Posted by jaso028 View Post
      theres just some giving things that make it more money.. but IMO its well worth it..

      I feel the 24v has a smoother power range then a 12V... 12v can sound nasty, when a 24v will me a little more modest sounding and feeling...

      24v with the 02m will be a tad heavier.. Ill have to ask my nephew the weight of his 12v and then I could give you an idea.. off the top of my head not sure the weight of the 24V, ill run outside in a minute and check that out..
      I do love the soudn of 12v's when they are near the upper rpm range.. they sound like r32's and have that amazing sound when winding out. Will a 24v still sound like that? Or will a 24v sound closer to the mellow but nasty exhaust of an r32?

      Quote Originally Posted by jaso028 View Post
      I am too now... not sure if he has... we are old so we just do this for our enjoyment not for light to light fun!

      the car is just plain nuts now... that is the best way I can describe it!
      Ya I hear that. I like a good street race once in a while, but I mainly want another vr6 for cruising and carving the hills/backroads by some families houses.

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      10-05-2011 11:32 AM #19
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      Into what?
      My mk4 golf. I hydrolocked my TDI and bent a rod at H2O.

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      Quote Originally Posted by baun View Post
      My mk4 golf. I hydrolocked my TDI and bent a rod at H2O.
      Damn man what the hell happened??

      A vr6 into a golf will be a fun ride!

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      i plan to swap in a 24v to replace my 12v sometime in the next year.

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      Quote Originally Posted by 85_305 View Post
      I do love the soudn of 12v's when they are near the upper rpm range.. they sound like r32's and have that amazing sound when winding out. Will a 24v still sound like that? Or will a 24v sound closer to the mellow but nasty exhaust of an r32?



      Ya I hear that. I like a good street race once in a while, but I mainly want another vr6 for cruising and carving the hills/backroads by some families houses.
      I know my 24v is pretty quite... lol my nephew and I both have Megan racing exhaust without the resonators on them and mine sounds very deep and calm.. while his sounds a little more high pitched and toned odd... like you said nasty! lol
      his drones a ton more then mine does but nothing unbearable...

      I hear you with some good street racing once in a while.. someone in a Honda always has to pull up next to you with there coffee cans rattling!!
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      i plan to swap in a 24v to replace my 12v sometime in the next year.
      Thats awesome! are you still running the 5spd? or do yo need the 02M to make it work?
      feel like i know this answer but cannot recall...
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      Damn man what the hell happened??

      A vr6 into a golf will be a fun ride!
      CAI's are the devil and the drainage on the strip is ****.

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      CAI's are the devil and the drainage on the strip is ****.
      I drowed my intake under a puddle a few weeks ago in the tropical storm after the hurricane..
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      Quote Originally Posted by tar View Post
      i plan to swap in a 24v to replace my 12v sometime in the next year.
      Goodluck... sounds like it will be a blast

      Quote Originally Posted by jaso028 View Post
      I know my 24v is pretty quite... lol my nephew and I both have Megan racing exhaust without the resonators on them and mine sounds very deep and calm.. while his sounds a little more high pitched and toned odd... like you said nasty! lol
      his drones a ton more then mine does but nothing unbearable...

      I hear you with some good street racing once in a while.. someone in a Honda always has to pull up next to you with there coffee cans rattling!!
      I'm gonna youtube some 24v's when I leave work later tonight. I wonder if they sound similar to r32's, because that would be a whole lot of win for me!

      The honda guys are really annoying. I have guys in the biggest pos hondas you could ever imagine, pulling up next to my jetta because they see the huge intercooler hanging out. I dont even bother with most of them. The only honda i've thought would be fun was an rsx type-s, and even still I stomped his guys out two times. Boo.

      Quote Originally Posted by baun View Post
      CAI's are the devil and the drainage on the strip is ****.
      Seriously? You hydrolocked because of that?! How low was the cai? I have a short ram and it never gets wet.. but I'm curious to know of your cai placement

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      10-05-2011 11:47 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by 85_305 View Post
      Goodluck... sounds like it will be a blast



      I'm gonna youtube some 24v's when I leave work later tonight. I wonder if they sound similar to r32's, because that would be a whole lot of win for me!

      The honda guys are really annoying. I have guys in the biggest pos hondas you could ever imagine, pulling up next to my jetta because they see the huge intercooler hanging out. I dont even bother with most of them. The only honda i've thought would be fun was an rsx type-s, and even still I stomped his guys out two times. Boo.



      Seriously? You hydrolocked because of that?! How low was the cai? I have a short ram and it never gets wet.. but I'm curious to know of your cai placement

      I had a neuspeed one. It was down in the bumper in front of the wheel. I also dont run fender liners (because low), and no bumper inserts (because racecar), so it was a bit more exposed.

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      Quote Originally Posted by baun View Post
      I had a neuspeed one. It was down in the bumper in front of the wheel. I also dont run fender liners (because low), and no bumper inserts (because racecar), so it was a bit more exposed.
      Ouch that explains it. That sucks man... sorry to hear of your loss. You gonna get inside another tdi eventually?

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      VR6's don't make power without boost. Check the 24v forum for the failed build threads. I think the highest I've seen to the whheels was like 225-230ish in a thread a few years ago. There was nothing else he could do to it without boost.

      Also the 6-spd is stupid. Gears are way too short, constantly shifting. Something just doesn't feel right about it. It used to feel good knowing I had an O2m but I would never go back. The axles are also expensive and very specific.

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      i plan to swap in a 24v to replace my 12v sometime in the next year.
      I haz longblock

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      Quote Originally Posted by jaso028 View Post
      think Building a 24v will be close to double the price... look @ a clutch kit for an 02M with lighter flywheel is around $700-900.. when a Whole 02J set up is what $500-600...
      then cams, not sure what the 12v cams go for.. but the 24v's are close to 1k!!

      as far as exhaust or anything else its all the same... think just those few parts are what get you...
      then the cost of maintenance is significantly more...
      i this math! "double the price" since when is your guesstimate of 700 double that of 500? public education for the win! anyways 24v is slightly more expensive but its all down to preference....to each their own!

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      Quote Originally Posted by das-yeti View Post
      i this math! "double the price" since when is your guesstimate of 700 double that of 500? public education for the win! anyways 24v is slightly more expensive but its all down to preference....to each their own!
      I forgot how specific you need to on the Vortex!! this is why I am on here, I am no Rocket Scientist...

      but then again maybe if you learned how to read you would see I said "close to double the price"
      but who am I to judge???
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      ok how is 700 CLOSE to double 500? im just saying people knock it because they think this stuff is so expensive....gotta pay to play some times. Right now im building a turbo R32 for one customer and supercharging a 24v Gli for another..... its expensive yes but again all down to personal preference and where you want to go with the car.

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      10-05-2011 12:41 PM #35
      well lets use the 500 to 900 figure, thats closer....

      you cant judge.. a build is a build they will all cost you money! you want to make it fast and fun be prepared to blow a hole in your wallet!
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