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      10-14-2011 02:44 PM #1
      Is this a good rule to follow?

      And I'm talking about the first year of a new model
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      10-14-2011 02:45 PM #2
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      I'll let you know when my '12 Focus arrives.
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      10-14-2011 02:47 PM #4
      What car are we talking about? Honda fit first year? Sure! Porsche first year, not quite...

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      10-14-2011 02:47 PM #5
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    6. 10-14-2011 02:47 PM #6
      Early adopters almost always get screwed. especially with tech.
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      10-14-2011 02:48 PM #7
      depends

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      10-14-2011 02:50 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Woo View Post
      I'll let you know when my '12 Focus arrives.
      Focus has been on sale for a number of years....

    9. 10-14-2011 02:50 PM #9
      I don't know how solid a rule it is, but its still one I follow. It has more to do with the brand and how new it is for me though.

      I really like the idea of a 2012 Impreza wago for the wife, but new engine and new transmission in a 1st year car scare the bejesus out of me...even if its a brand I trust.

      On the flip side, we're also looking at a Prius for her. We'll likely go new as used costs are ridiculous, but I wouldn't hesitate to buy a a first year model of the current style as its a brand I trust, and was largely a carryover with new skin (I think).

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      10-14-2011 02:51 PM #10
      Each model should be evaluated on its own, no blanket rules exist like this.

      The 2010 Golf/GTI is essentially a carryover besides design. Would be perfectly fine, yet is the first MKVI.

    11. 10-14-2011 02:51 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Bad.Content View Post
      Focus has been on sale for a number of years....
      Are you talking all new cars, or new generations within a model?

      All new car? No way.

      New generation? Depends. See my post right above this one.

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      10-14-2011 02:52 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Subwoofers View Post
      Early adopters almost always get screwed. especially with tech.
      I've always mentally told myself not to get cars the first year of production. Then I go ahead and buy them anyway. I'm only had a couple of first year teething problems that weren't that bad. I think the bigger issue these days lies with infotainment options. I wouldn't want to get the first year of a new revision of a fancy Sync/iDrive/MMI/etc interface. Bugs in that software would drive me batty.

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      10-14-2011 02:52 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by Eg2Driver View Post
      What car are we talking about? Honda fit first year? Sure! Porsche first year, not quite...
      first year as in a brand new model. such as the ft-rs coming out. or the chevy volt

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      10-14-2011 02:52 PM #14
      If everyone went by that theory, then there will be nio improvement for the next model, because no one bought the first one to begin with.
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      10-14-2011 02:53 PM #15
      Screw it. Just buy what you want.
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      10-14-2011 02:53 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by pwm View Post
      Are you talking all new cars, or new generations within a model?

      All new car? No way.

      New generation? Depends. See my post right above this one.
      yes, new car

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      10-14-2011 02:55 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Bad.Content View Post
      yes, new car
      Ah. From my understanding, the line of thought was "Never get the first year of a new model," which takes into account new generations.

      If you want to narrow it down to simply an all-new car for the first year? Yeah, that's kind of a gamble.

      2012 Focus = new generation
      2011 Cruze = new car
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      10-14-2011 02:57 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Woo View Post
      Ah. From my understanding, the line of thought was "Never get the first year of a new model," which takes into account new generations.

      If you want to narrow it down to simply an all-new car for the first year? Yeah, that's kind of a gamble.

      2012 Focus = new generation
      2011 Cruze = new car
      yea thats what i should have said

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      10-14-2011 02:59 PM #19
      Buying it new or used? If it's new, who cares, you've got warranty to back you up. If you're in the used market, maybe not. A 2004 Touareg, for example, is an awfully risky proposition unless it's had every TSB in the book done.
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      10-14-2011 02:59 PM #20
      This doesn't just go for cars, but anything that uses technology.

      I usually wait until technology proves itself before I start thinking about purchase.

      I don't by anything (including cars) when it's first released. I prefer others to take their chances.

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      10-14-2011 03:05 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by Professor Gascan View Post
      Buying it new or used? If it's new, who cares, you've got warranty to back you up. If you're in the used market, maybe not. A 2004 Touareg, for example, is an awfully risky proposition unless it's had every TSB in the book done.
      Warranty's nice, but it's barely consolation when you're standing on the side of the freeway waiting for your free roadside assistance.
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      10-14-2011 03:10 PM #22
      If you buy it new, and it's got a warranty, who cares?

      On that note...if you're buying used/out of warranty, you're setting yourself up for potential woes.

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      10-14-2011 03:20 PM #23
      Well, I'm not on a new car budget... but that's what I was taught.

      It makes sense, to me. The manufacturer will only have made a [relatively] small number of pre-production prototype cars for testing. Some manufacturers will test more thoroughly than others.

      Even the best testing won't reveal potential long term problems and pattern failures the same way as it will to sell tens of thousands of the car and wait for them to break.


      That being said, I would make an exception for new generation cars where the engine and transmission are proven designs and a direct carryover from the previous generation.

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      10-14-2011 03:30 PM #24
      In the case of the 7th generation Accord, this absolutely applies. In the case of the 8th generation Accord, the opposite applies.
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      10-14-2011 03:52 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by maskedSONY View Post
      In the case of the 7th generation Accord, this absolutely applies. In the case of the 8th generation Accord, the opposite applies.
      in case of both Accords, this applies to neither

    26. 10-14-2011 03:59 PM #26
      I bought a first year car (11 Elantra), and it was a Hyundai too.

      I have 9K miles and no issues so far (knock on wood), but that's to be expected IMO. Every now and then someone will post on here about how their 10K mile car has superb relaibility -ya don't say.

      Anyway, we'll see how it turns out.

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      10-14-2011 03:59 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by Bad.Content View Post
      Is this a good rule to follow?

      And I'm talking about the first year of a new model
      Usually, the first year of a new design (or engine or transmission or other major component) is less reliable than following years. But whether the added risk is acceptable to you is something only you can decide.

      Note that in comparisons between the last year of the old design and the first year of the new design, the reliability differences between the designs may override the first year risks.
      Last edited by tjl; 10-14-2011 at 04:02 PM.

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      10-14-2011 04:05 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Subwoofers View Post
      Early adopters almost always get screwed. especially with tech.
      I'll say! Unfortunately, I have no self-control and always buy the first of everything. My first plasma 50" tv was $13,000. It lasted for 7 years. Replaced it with the same mode with fixes for $3,000. It's probably $1,500 today.

      My '88 750iL is another example. First year. Technology is the car killer. Had I not had an emotional attachment to the car it would have gone to the scrap pile long ago.
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      10-14-2011 04:10 PM #29
      Not to muddy the waters even more but some "new" models carry over old technology that is already proven. Aside from sheetmetal there isn't anything new on my all new 2011 vehicle. Same 1.5L engine family that has been around for years. Same selectable CVT transmission that has been around in global markets for years. Evolution of the same hybrid powertrain that has been in use since the 90's.

      I don't feel any worries about buying all new.
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      10-14-2011 04:13 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      Not to muddy the waters even more but some "new" models carry over old technology that is already proven. Aside from sheetmetal there isn't anything new on my all new 2011 vehicle. Same 1.5L engine family that has been around for years. Same selectable CVT transmission that has been around in global markets for years. Evolution of the same hybrid powertrain that has been in use since the 90's.

      I don't feel any worries about buying all new.
      Yeah, I had to grit my teeth through my replies in this thread just because it's not even close to "cut and dry."

      Your example is one of them. The Veloster is a brand-new car, but uses powertrain and platform variations of previous-gen Accents/Elantras.

      And in some cases, all-new cars in the USDM may have been out for several years in other countries (Buick Regal/Opel Insignia).
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      10-14-2011 04:15 PM #31
      1st year of a completely new model, platform, drivetrain... probably a terrible idea. except you will have a warranty, so make sure you get a comp'd loaner.

      1st year of a new generation... a little better, but still not the best idea. you will still likely be working through design bugs that subsequent model years will have engineered out.

      which is why i bought a late 08 GTI (fsi), instead of getting one as soon as they hit the docks. but even with doing that, i should have waited another year and popped for a TSI engined example. my car has been mechanically flawless, but at only 21k miles in 3+ years it absolutely should be perfect.
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      10-14-2011 04:21 PM #32
      I got first year since it was the only year they made the combo. If I had waited, would have been out of luck.

      Exception rather than the rule however...

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      10-14-2011 04:26 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      Screw it. Just buy what you want.
      Smartest post here. Although I'm glad I didn't buy a split-window Corvette, no one wants one now...

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      10-14-2011 04:29 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Señor Peligro View Post
      In my experience, **** YEAH.*

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      Very true.

      2004 Toe-rag = rubbish.

      My brothers 2006 Jetta TDI has had every panel replaced due to rust(warrantied at least) and many mechanical faults.

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      10-14-2011 04:30 PM #35
      I tend to hold off just to wait and see if a new car has problems but cars I've owned in the past like my 1997 Toyota Supra turbo had zero recalls from when they were introduced in the states till when they left.
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